I'm not sure I would go so far as "lovers"... as much as it breaks his heart, my feelings for him can never be the same as those he has for me. JiF just likes to go to excessive extremes and has been rather adamant about what went on "all game long" while citing about 4 plays the entire game. Plus, you know... it's a boring day at work.
Coples is certainly far from terrible, but so far nothing more than average either. OLB may have taken him a bit out of position, but it's also being used as more of an excuse than is valid. Even when starting as supposed OLB, there were still plenty of his snaps where he was playing with his hand in the dirt, with his new position being only in name. That's not to say that he couldn't find a better fit with another team using a different scheme, and he's certainly not going to be run out of the league, but there's also been no hints of greatness and he wasn't worth the money he would be due next year.
4 straight posts of JiF being butthurt... VICTORY!!!
On a side note, something being done, or not, on select plays is not equivalent to something being done for the entire game, which has been the assertion from the first to last posts, and it's still wrong.
It's cool, JiF <3s me... even despite me not being a fat chick. But yeah, I do get what you're saying, but with the sh*t show this team was across the board, this was likely a lose-lose situation. The crappy pass rush means they're sending more blitzers (although not particularly successfully), so less guys are in coverage. Revis is undoubtedly not what he once was, but still far and away the best corner the Jets have, so there's others with far more need of safety help than him. It's not like there was never any help for him either, but obviously not on every play (or anywhere close). Even if that was how they went with it, all that's happening is the remaining few in coverage, most specifically the LBs, are going to get destroyed when the coverage rolls away from them, and instead we'd be bitching about how the only player that was given help over the top was the Jets' best. In the end, the game plan was obviously crap and a complete failure, but the bottom line is that the original start of this thread was a ridiculous oversimplification of the problem. ... plus it was from JiF.
Reports say that there was a team meeting before the game, saying that none of the Jets should go anywhere near either of those two guys, as just their aura would eradicate them all. If only you were there to set them straight, amirite?
On a side note, I'm not sure if you're making me regret having left for so long, or ever coming back... it's a toss up.
Nah, just after so many years of JiF, my stance is that he needs to stop being so JiFy. He likes to throw fits while patting himself on the back for his supposedly brilliant insight. His claim is that the problem was that the Jets were completely oblivious to these players actually being any good, and if the team had simply paid any attention, they obviously would have just stopped both of them all game long, because you know... they wanted to. The Jets still failed miserably despite people associated with the team actually having been well aware of these players (much to JiF's dismay), and that falls on both the players and the coaches, as I've already stated repeatedly. What JiF is arguing against is a figment of his own imagination, but then again that's really the only way he ever has a chance to win one with anyone on these boards, so tough to blame him.
No, it's simply that he's too good for this kind of game to be the cause of such brilliant analysis as "HERP DERP WHY TEAM NO TRY STOP HIM???" The Jets sucked ass yesterday, there's no argument there, but this thread is really saying nothing. Yes, the Jets got their asses thoroughly kicked, most notably by a couple of very good players. I'm sorry to have to be the one to give you the bad news, but even you standing on the sideline pointing at Hopkins and screaming to everyone the mind-bending reality that he is a good player wouldn't have changed that one bit.
I can't help but laugh at some of the trashing of Bowles being for "sending a message" that was completely fabricated in this thread to begin with. You certainly don't have to like the move, but there's probably better reasons than the narrative we made up ourselves.
Nope, it had actually already been done. The rules for the rookie contracts is that the 5th year option needs to be decided on during the offseason prior to their 4th year, and the Jets had picked it up back then. They could still get rid of him, but it would be a matter of cutting him, which is where the risks Sperm mentioned come into play.
What supposed "excuse" are you referring to? The Jets sucked, there's no excuse for that for anyone involved with this team, players, coaches, or otherwise. That still doesn't change the oversimplification being attempted of eliminating a good player. It's not some random coincidence that the guy is 3rd in the league for catches and yards, and 2nd in TDs. The Jets needed to stop him and failed miserably at doing so, and they suck ass for that. However, believe it or not, Hopkins' success is not because no one in the league has uncovered the amazing secret that he is a good player, and so opt to ignore the guy.
They very well could have talked to some teams about it, but consider that every team out there already knew there was no way the Jets would be keeping Coples around next year. Plus, I doubt any team would see him as worth the 5th year option amount he would be due next year. So the only way a team would have been willing to make that offer is if they saw worth trading a pick for him, solely to have him as an asset for the stretch run of this year and.... yeah, I don't think so.
All you need to do is take a look at Calvin Pryor to see why it is way too early to be judging this year's draft class. At this point, Smith is the one who may be a cause for concern, but it's a guy who missed preseason and the start of the year, and was already known to have some serious development to do, so it's hardly time to consider him a lost cause.