JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardCimini's latest story on Mike Goodson appears to be incorrect -- according to an update from ESPNhttp://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/23627/more-legal-woes-for-goodson?src=mobile
UPDATE (6:40 p.m.): The Houston woman, Ashlee Wilson, contacted ESPNNewYork.com four hours after the story was posted, claiming she never gave attorney Glenn Lilly authorization to file the suit. Wilson said she has no plans to sue Goodson for child support, adding: "We don't need a lawyer to settle it." She said she doesn't want to create any additional problems for Goodson with the Jets. Wilson also claimed no one, including Goodson, convinced her to drop the suit. Lilly, reached late Saturday, said he received "oral authorization" from Wilson to file the suit in court.
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardCosell Talks: You’re Seeing the Real Mark SanchezApparently, we'll still be in trouble even after Schotty is replaced by a more competent O coordinator.
by Greg Cosell
No one should be surprised by the relative poor play of Mark Sanchez, certainly not Rex Ryan and the Jets. Ryan knew what he was getting when he traded up to draft Sanchez in 2009. He was looking for a complementary quarterback that would fit his world view of championship NFL football: Run the ball with power and efficiency, and dominate with a turnover-based defense. The quarterback was a puzzle piece, a role player more than a foundation.
That’s what Ryan got with Sanchez: A limited passer with above average arm strength who was at his best in a timing-and-rhythm pass game in which the ball could come out quickly to the primary read. If the Jets could stay ahead of the down, and play in manageable down and distance situations, then Sanchez could function effectively.
In 2009, Sanchez rookie year, the Jets led the NFL in rushing attempts and yards. Defensively, they allowed both the fewest yards and the fewest points. This was football the way Ryan envisioned it.
The Jets, despite Sanchez’s low completion percentage and AFC-high 20 interceptions, made the playoffs. In fact, they won 2 postseason games. In those wins, Sanchez totaled less than 40 attempts. In a passing league, this clearly defied the accepted methodology.
The Jets ’09 run ended in the AFC Championship against Peyton Manning and the Colts, when Ryan’s defense could not hold up in the second half after leading 17-13 at halftime. Lost in Manning’s brilliant performance that day was the fact the Jets did not score in the final 2 quarters.
In 2010, the Jets’ team profile remained essentially the same. They were second in the NFL in both rushing attempts and yards. Defensively, they were not quite as strong statistically, but the basic template was still in place. Sanchez was slightly more efficient, and he limited his interceptions to 13. But he was still a component piece, nothing more. He won a few games in the fourth quarter, which elevated his public perception, but that did not alter Ryan’s fundamental philosophy nor meaningfully change Sanchez’s limitations as a passer.
The 2010 playoffs mirrored those of 2009. Sanchez threw for less than 200 yards against the Colts in the Wild Card game, as the Jets ran for 169 yards and held Manning to 54 offensive plays and 16 points. Then followed the big Divisional Playoff win against New England: 25 passes for Sanchez and less than 200 yards. A bad start in the AFC Championship doomed a Jets team not built to rally from a large deficit: after falling behind the Steelers 24-0 in the first half, New York could not come back.
What’s happened in 2011? The twin foundations of the team have not performed at the necessary levels: the Jets rank 22nd in rushing, averaging only 104 yards per game. The defensive deterioration has been just as striking: in points allowed, they also rank 22nd. These failings have placed the burden on Sanchez to suddenly be something he was not ever expected to be: a lead quarterback who is the focal point of the offense. Sanchez was not drafted to play that role, and he’s not capable of it.
So make no mistake, the Jets struggles are not merely surprisingly poor play. They stem from the very heart of the team and how it’s seen itself during the 3 years of the Ryan era. Nothing significant about Mark Sanchez has changed. It’s the rest of the team that has changed. That’s what has magnified their quarterback’s limitations.
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardSchottenheimer Quickly Coaching His Way Out of New Yorkhttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/511672-schottenheimer-quickly-coaching-his-way-out-of-new-york
By Sean Sheppard (Contributor) on November 7, 2010
Everyone knows the Jets' identity on defense since Rex Ryan arrived in New York—blunt force trauma and blitzing from the time they get off the team bus.
The offense's identity? Seems like each year, the Jets try to rediscover who they are all because their offensive coordinator, Marty's son, Brian Schottenheimer, is hell bent on stamping his schizophrenia on the players he oversees.
Several weeks ago, Rex Ryan revealed to the media that he told the offense that he didn't trust them yet. Now we know why—it's hard to trust a group led by an offensive coordinator that doesn't know what he wants his unit to be from week-to-week. I personally don't think that Brian Schottenheimer is going to be on the Jets' payroll for much longer.
If you look at his total body of work as a coordinator, he's just not good. Check the stats: until Sanchez's 336-yard overtime effort against the Lions today, Schottenheimer-led offenses hadn't generated a 300-yard passer since 2006.
If you go back to Rex's lack of confidence in the offense (an indictment of Schottenheimer), the fact that the Jets defense played well enough to win in both losses and the fact that the head coach and the offensive coordinator differ so much from a mentality standpoint, a divorce is imminent.
I've written several articles outlining Brian Schottenheimer's shortcomings as an OC. Aside from the 2008 season when Favre was running the offense (Jets finished 10th in the league in points scored that year), Schottenheimer-led units have never finished above the bottom half of the league in scoring offense.
In the two Jets losses this year, the offense has generated zero touchdowns, and against the Green Bay Packers, the offense generated no points at all. Seems like when Brian has too much time to game plan (the entire summer for the Ravens and two weeks for the Packers), the offense suffers greatly.
Against a banged up Packer defensive front, Schottenheimer's game plan called for the league's second ranked rush offense to run the ball all of 25 times, excluding Sanchez scrambles, Weatherford's fake punt, Brad Smith's wildcat runs and a pitiful Cotchery reverse that lost eight yards. Sixteen carries for Tomlinson, SIX carries for Greene. Six.
Another interesting tid-bit: Schottenheimer's infatuation of forcing Holmes into an offense that had scored at least 28 points in three straight games before he was activated has damaged their production dramatically.
In Holmes' first game back against the Vikings, the Jet offense scored 22 points. Against the Broncos, a game where Holmes had a huge fumble on a reverse, the offense scored 24 points. Against the Packers? Zero points. It took the Jets an extra period to score 23 against the Lions today.
Meanwhile, an offense that was humming by setting up the pass with the run has gotten away from getting the ball to the pass catcher that seems to make the entire offense flow beautifully like a quick silver—Dustin Keller.
The Jets are still in good shape to have a season that includes a Super Bowl appearance; however, it is clear to me that it will all depend on the offense and how they're coached. That should be a major concern for all Jet fans.
False starts and holding calls on run plays at the most inopportune times, dropped passes and unforced fumbles are all signs that the offense is being coached by an offensive coordinator that has not instilled discipline on that side of the ball.
Look at the talent on the offensive side of the ball. There's no excuse for their offense to not be unstoppable. Then again, there's a perfect excuse why they're not—Schottenheimer.
Although at the end of the day, it's Rex's ship, we all know who runs the offense and who runs the defense. I'll keep the guy who runs the defense for sure, but at some point soon, the Jets will have to make a change in offensive leadership if they want to be the consistent juggernaut they should be.
Schottenheimer's total body of work warrants him standing in the unemployment line. The Jets' offensive performance on offense against the Lions today is further proof that he needs to go.
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardMust Read - New York Jets: Schottenheimer-Led O Doesn't Have One 300-Yard Passer Since 2006http://bleacherreport.com/articles/461903-brian-schottenheimer-led-offenses-not-one-300-yard-passer-since-2006
New York Jets: Schottenheimer-Led O Doesn't Have One 300-Yard Passer Since 2006
By Sean Sheppard on September 14, 2010
Brian Schottenheimer has been the offensive coordinator of the New York Jets since 2006, making the 2010-2011 season his 5th year on the job. In his four full years, the following quarterbacks have lined up under center: Chad Pennington, Kellen Clemens, Brett Favre, Brad Smith, Brooks Bollinger and Mark Sanchez.
Now I know there’s only one hall of famer in the bunch (Favre), but Chad Pennington enjoyed a productive career (when he wasn’t out for the season with yet another shoulder injury).
My point in listing all these QB’s is that there is enough talent among them to have passed for several 300 yard games apiece over the years right? At least with Pennington and Favre, right? Well if you think so you’re wrong.
Since 2006, the only Jets QB that has thrown for 300 yards in a game is Chad Pennington, and he did it 4 times, all in 2006. There hasn’t been one 300 passing game by a Jet QB since 2006. Not even by the game’s greatest gun slinger, Brett Favre.
I personally think this stat is amazing.
The Jets have had enough talent at the wide receiver position, at the tight end position and on the offensive line where there really is no reason why it is nearly impossible for a Jet quarterback to throw for 300 yards in a game. Well there is one reason.
Who do you blame for the Jets' pedestrian passing game since 2006?
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When the Jets got rid of Laveranues Coles and Santana Moss, they immediately made the pro bowl with the Washington Redskins. It’s not that they didn’t have pro bowl talent while playing with the Jets; they did. It’s just that for some reason, they never reached their maximum potential playing in the Jet's offense, no matter who the O.C. was (Moss did not play in Schottenheimer's system).
When Chad Pennington signed with the Dolphins, many questioned his ability to play quarterback at a high level. By the time he left the Jets, many fans, including myself, wanted to be rid of Pennington’s weak arm and injury prone shoulder.
I remember Chad saying at the time (I’m paraphrasing), “people who know this game know the circumstances under which I play.” It’s as if Chad was trying to tell us all something about Schottenheimer on his way out the door. Chad Pennington, with the pop-gun arm, wound up throwing for several 300 yard games for the Dolphins during his first year with the ball club. Check the stats, it’s true. Hmmmm….pop-gun arm? Or crappy offensive system in New York?
Fast forward to the Jets’ Monday Night game against the Ravens. If all things, good or bad, start at the top, then Rex Ryan cannot be excused for the team’s poor performance on offense, penalties etc. But a closer look at the Jets reveals something very telling.
Rex Ryan runs the Jets’ defense. The Jets’ defense is the strongest unit on the team. If not for the defense, the Jets would have had a sub .500 record in 2009 and been blown out in tonight’s game against the Ravens. I have no problem with the man running the defense.
Mike Westhoff runs special teams, and the Jets, under Westhoff’s dictatorship, have been one of the top special teams units in the entire NFL year after year. Against the Ravens, Steve Weatherford, the Jets’ punter, looked like a pro bowler compared to 2009, Nick Folk was perfect in field goal attempts (despite his surprisingly weak kickoffs) the coverage teams were solid and Jim Leonhard’s sparkling punt return featured crushing blocks by Dwight Lowery and John Conner. The special team units were solid as usual. I have no problem with the man running special teams.
This takes us to Brian Schottenheimer, who oversees the Jets’ offense. The Jets’ offense, year after year, has been their Achilles heel, regardless of the quarterbacks, wide receivers, tight ends, running backs or offensive linemen on the team. Sure, the Jets have figured out how to run the ball effectively over the past couple of years. They ran it amazingly well in 2009, leading the entire NFL in rushing yards per game. When the Jets needed a yard in 2009 , they FINALLY got it against the Chargers (long suffering Jet fans know all about the team's history with 3rd &1 and 4th & 1).
But the passing game? Well as I mentioned, the Jets have not had a 300 yard passer since 2006 despite having pro bowl talent on the offensive line, at the wide receiver position AND at QB (Favre was a pro bowler during his one year with the team). So if a team has players with talent yet continues to struggle in the passing game, who is to blame?
When a girl keeps dating creeps, at some point she has to look in the mirror and realize it's not the creep's fault that she keeps picking them. She's the common denominator in all her relationships.
When the only constant about the offense since 2006 has been the offensive coordinator, despite pro bowl talent at his disposal, he’s to blame. Plain and simple.
I’m amazed that no one writes about this! NOT ONE 300 YARD PASSER SINCE 2006!!! Yes, I know Sanchez was, at times, an interception machine in 2009, but he was a rookie and that’s to be expected. But Schottenheimer has had seasoned quarterbacks (one with a hall of fame resume) to work with and it seems like the quarterbacks, when successful, are successful in spite of the system, not because of it.
Tom Brady, it has been said, is successful in large part due to Belichick’s system. Spurrier’s college QB’s are successful due to his system. Schottenheimer’s system? Well, it appears if you’re a QB, a wide receiver or tight end in his system, it’s akin to being sent to a super max prison: you can’t break out no matter what you do.
You won’t be throwing for 300 yards in a game any time soon if you’re a QB and you won’t be catching 80 balls in a season if you’re a wide receiver or a tight end.
And I don’t want to hear about the Jets being a running team. Could it be that the Jets are a running team because they can’t pass with any consistency in Schottenheimer’s offense?
Every offensive coordinator around the league seems to be adept at creating mismatches against opposing defenses. Not Schottenheimer. There have been countless times over the years when the Jets have gone against a defense with a depleted or extremely green secondary (as they did against the Ravens on Monday Night) – and have never capitalized (and they didn’t on Monday Night, once again). Mismatches in the Jets’ favor are rarely if ever exploited (Dustin Keller is a mismatch against anyone covering him), and it appears as if the Jets are fairly easy to prepare for.
When you watch the Jets as often as I do (live or on tape), it seems as if they have 10 pass plays - total. I think Brian Schottenheimer is a nice enough person based on appearances, but the bottom line is that his unit is running anchor leg on the Jets team. The offense is an albatross around the team’s neck, and I’ll say it again: the only constant about the Jets’ offense since 2006 is – Brian Schottenheimer.
The Jets certainly have no need to panic. They lost one game, their first game of the year, by 1 point. Their defense was great again despite the penalties and their defensive secondary play will improve with more time in the system (remember, Cromartie and Wilson are brand new and Wilson is a rookie).
But the fact remains that Brian Schottenheimer is a seasoned veteran and a known commodity. His total body of work as an offensive coordinator has been less than stellar. Rex Ryan, in his first year running the Jets defense, produced the number 1 defense in the NFL.
Brian Schottenheimer has been the O.C. since 2006, and although his position with the Jets is the first O.C. job of his career, he’s had 4 years to produce a top 5 offense and hasn’t come close to accomplishing that feat.
Say whatever you want about Sanchez. He’s young and learning. He’s going to make mistakes, yet at times, has shown flashes of brilliance. I just don’t feel that Schottenheimer is doing the kid any favors. Based on his track record, I don’t see the Jets scaring anyone in the passing game as long as he is the O.C. of the NYJ.
Not one 300 yard passer since 2006. You can’t just point to the Jets quarterback(s) anymore.
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardEx-Bear Gilbert joins Jets' practice squadDoes anyone know anything about this guy?
By Brad Biggs
Jarron Gilbert has found a new home.
The Bears' top pick in 2009 has been signed to the practice squad of the New York Jets, according to his agent Frank Bauer.
Gilbert was claimed by the Jets on waivers Sunday, but the team had a higher prioritized claim on Dallas Cowboys defensive end Marcus Dixon. The Jets were awarded Dixon and Gilbert became a free agent.
Jets coach Rex Ryan called Gilbert late Sunday to personally recruit him to the Jets and the sell job worked.
"He liked Rex Ryan because Rex had come out to personally work him out before the draft," Bauer said. "He said, 'Come sign on my practice squad.' I thought I was going to bring Jarron out west, but he made the decision to go there and it's a good one."
The Jets run a 3-4 scheme that might fit Gilbert better. The Bears originally asked him to be an under tackle in their 4-3 defense. Then, they asked him to slim down to play left end. He dropped to 270 pounds this year on his 6-6 frame and it didn't work out.
"That's what Rex and I talked about," Bauer said. "The scheme might be better for him. Let's see what happens for the kid."
Per Bauer, the Jets were considering Gilbert with the first pick of the third round last year. Instead, they took Iowa running back Shonn Greene, which turned out to be a smart move. Gilbert went three picks later to the Bears.
The Bears did not try to bring Gilbert back to their practice squad, choosing to cut bait. The team owes him $146,500 in a future base guarantee. Baltimore, Seattle and the New York Giants also expressed interest in Gilbert.
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardIs Revis acting selfishly?Did anyone notice that Revis' agent stated that the Jets did not offer a single dollar in guaranteed money "in writing"? It sure sounds like the Jets have talked about it, doesn't it.
Also, Tanny mentioned that for 15 years of contract negotiations, the fundamental thing has been to agree first on total compensation, and then settle on the ancillary stuff (i.e., signing bonuses, incentives, etc.). There seems to be a major difference in total compensation between Revis and the Jets in that Revis seems to be obsessed in being the highest paid CB.
Revis is behaving selfishly. The Jets are willing to pay him more money than his contract calls for --there is no argument there, since they've approached him in the first place.
Revis doesn't seem to care about the Jets being able to sign Mangold, Harris, Cromartie, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes next year. One player doesn't make a team.
Am I missing something here?
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardPace Sees Positives in Defense Being Pushedhttp://blog.newyorkjets.com/2010/08/08/pace-sees-positives-in-defense-being-pushed/
Pace Sees Positives in Defense Being Pushed
Posted by Eric Allen on August 8, 2010 – 12:35 pm
It wasn’t exactly what you expected from the NFL’s best defense. After getting burned on a 70-yard scoring hookup from Mark Sanchez to LaDainian Tomlinson, the Jets’ defense was understandably subdued.
“It was quiet. To be honest with you, our offense has really been pushing us to the limit,” said OLB Calvin Pace. “I’m not sure if they have new plays, but they’re really clicking right now and they’re making us better. That’s the beauty of this. There is no other team that has the caliber of receivers that we have, the running backs, the line and the quarterbacks — so it’s tough every day.”
Just one play at SUNY Cortland on Aug. 7 does not make a year. After all, Tomlinson is one of the greatest receiving backs in NFL history and the Green & White’s empty formation gave the offense a favorable matchup.
“I saw him [Tomlinson] motion out and I didn’t know Dave [Harris] went out to cover him. The D-line could have gotten more pressure to make it harder for them,” said Pace, who’s racked up 15 sacks over the past two seasons. “That’s the reason why he’s one of the best backs ever. But again, we could have been in a better situation to prepare for that. We did a pretty good job rebounding from that play.”
Pace helped settle things down a little bit, sacking backup QB Mark Brunell on the offense’s second possession as the first-team defense wouldn’t surrender a point the rest of the night. The play was whistled down because the redshirted Brunell was off limits to the 6’4”, 265-pound Pace.
“That’s what the preseason is for and obviously you can’t complain. Everybody saw it was there and it counts the same, basically,” said the eight-year vet. “A week from Monday, I get a chance to really get a hit on the quarterback.”
A week into camp, the defense has done a lot of positive things and they’ll be better off after getting challenged each day by what could become a very explosive offense. The “D” has a year under its belt in the Rex Ryan/Mike Pettine system, so the familiarity is there and they’re going to be heard from by their opposition.
“I think we’re ahead of schedule right now, but then again our offense has gotten better — a whole lot better,” said Pace. “This is training camp and we’re ironing out some kinks right now. Monday against the Giants, we can let out some frustration.”
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardNew York Jets Preview: Will Braylon Edwards Have An Off Year?http://bleacherreport.com/articles/410265-new-york-jets-preview-will-braylon-edwards-will-have-an-off-year
by Daniel Wolf
New York Jets wide receiver Braylon Edwards is a bit of an anomaly seeing as how he has all the talent and ability to be a top receiver in the NFL.
He showed this ability with the Cleveland Browns back in 2007 when he caught 80 balls for over 1,200 yards and 16 touchdowns.
No matter what the real reason is for Edwards' issues recently, the following are reasons that could lead to Edwards' fall in 2010.
No, Edwards is one of the last Jets' player that I'm worried about having an off year. He's been lighting it up so far in camp, he's even been winning most of his battles on Revis. He's showed up in better shape than ever and his attitudes been great with the Jets. All he does is work hard.
Here's the reason to why he won't have an off year.
1) Hustle. Every play last year he hustled, and early on in camp he's been amazing.
2) Blocking ability. He's one of the best blocking receivers in the NFL, he'll stay on the field for that alone because the Jets are a run first team.
3) Athletic ability. Yes, he is a freak athletically. He can stretch the field better than any of the other Jets receivers and he'll win more than half of his jump balls.
4) His drops are overrated. Andre Johnson, Marques Colston, Dwayne Bowe, Randy Moss, Brandon Marshall, Donald Driver, Hines Ward, Wes Welker, both Steve Smith's, Chad Ochocinco, Derrick Mason, Roddy White, Calvin Johnson, Michael Crabtree (Even though he missed half the year), TJ Houshmanzadeh, etc all had more drops than Braylon Edwards. Edwards only had 4 drops last year. His drops are on easy passes that any WR should catch, that's why he takes a lot of heat for it. But he more than makes up for it with catches that no other receiver could make. So "Edwards has the dropsies" is completely false. No doubt he doesn't have the greatest hands in the league, but he's farrrr from the worst hands too.
5) Mark Sanchez. There is NO chance that Mark Sanchez will be worse than last year. I don't think it's possible for a QB to be that bad two years in a row. Plus he looked so much better in the playoffs and so far in camp this year.
6) Santonio Holmes. They don't play the same position, so no need to fight for PT. Holmes will be a good distraction giving Edwards 1 on 1 coverage a lot on the outside.
There is no doubt in my mind that Edwards will be a lot better than last year. No, I don't think he'll be a Pro Bowl caliber season, but he'll take a big step up from last season.
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardTricks of the Trade - Antonio Pierce on David HarrisCaught this by accident since David Harris is not on the caption for this video.
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JetsFan34 added a topic in New York Jets Message BoardJets Radio: 8/10/89 Camp Interview with DC Mike Pettinehttp://www.newyorkjets.com/real/audio/2009/jets_radio/081009_tc_interview_dc_mike_pettine.mp3
That's 8/10/09 -- sorry
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