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[RutgersJetFan]

So Empire is set 3 years after New Hope, and then Jedi is 1 year after Empire. Figure Luke's just started his Jedi training in IV, and it's not even real Jedi training, it's like ghetto Jedi training because there's no council and no formal-type sh*t. Nothing like Anakin was going through from Phantom Menace to Sith. He's not even really studying seriously under anyone at the beginning of Empire, doesn't get to Yoda until a little bit into the movie actually. He gets his a$$ handed to him by Vader, but then in Jedi, only a YEAR later, he's suddenly a Jedi master and Vader tells him his skills are complete just because he constructed a new light saber? Never mind the fact that Vader supposedly trained over 13 years to get to the level where he was at in Sith (yes I looked it up); are we really to believe that Luke is that much more of a natural at the force that he needed less than 25% of the time that it took for Vader to get to that level? All this while training under a decrepit Yoda in a swamp for only PART of that time, while Vader was traveling the galaxy and fighting wars with Obi Wan for his training? There's no way he should have been able to beat Vader in a light saber duel at the end of Jedi.

[Patsyfan]

It just goes to show you the weakness of a formal centralized education system. Luke got personal 1 on 1 training from 2 of the best in the history in their respective fields. That is superior to any dogmatic, archaic, centralized crap vader got. That or it is a plot hole, lol.

[Bleedin Green]

Dude, everyone knows Vader's Force powers were severely diminished due to his a$$-whooping at the hands of Obi-Wan and subsequent half machine construction. Luke wasn't really all that great of a Jedi if you look at how he fared more often than not, it's just that it was all on a relative basis. Hell, he was even getting his a$$ whooped by Vader in ROTJ until he completely lost his sh*t when Vader threatened to go after Leia, and that only happened because his Jedi powers were too weak a$$ to keep Vader from finding out about her in about 2 seconds after Obi-Wan spent decades keeping that bitch a secret. Hell, for the 20 years prior, the only people in the galaxy rocking the Force were an old hermit Obi-Wan, Yoda sitting alone in a freakin' swamp, half robot Vader and that old crusty **** Emperor who proved within a moment he can still whoop all their asses if not for getting jumped from behind by his boy. There wasn't exactly a lot of competition in the "new Jedi" department for Luke, that's all.

[joebabyny]

So Empire is set 3 years after New Hope, and then Jedi is 1 year after Empire. Figure Luke's just started his Jedi training in IV, and it's not even real Jedi training, it's like ghetto Jedi training because there's no council and no formal-type sh*t. Nothing like Anakin was going through from Phantom Menace to Sith. He's not even really studying seriously under anyone at the beginning of Empire, doesn't get to Yoda until a little bit into the movie actually. He gets his a$$ handed to him by Vader, but then in Jedi, only a YEAR later, he's suddenly a Jedi master and Vader tells him his skills are complete just because he constructed a new light saber? Never mind the fact that Vader supposedly trained over 13 years to get to the level where he was at in Sith (yes I looked it up); are we really to believe that Luke is that much more of a natural at the force that he needed less than 25% of the time that it took for Vader to get to that level? All this while training under a decrepit Yoda in a swamp for only PART of that time, while Vader was traveling the galaxy and fighting wars with Obi Wan for his training? There's no way he should have been able to beat Vader in a light saber duel at the end of Jedi.

well you are looking at it as earth years, maybe a degobah year is like 10 earth years or 5 coruscant years? Luke did look much older from empire to jedi. Stop thinking like an earthling.

[Klecko73isGod]

Midichlorians bitch!

[The Crusher]

Luke is a lot like Danny Woodhead.

[Bugg]

What happens after the Death Star blows up? YOu aren't gojng to let a bunch of ewoks and Jar Jar run a galaxy economy. Midichlorians are another form of monarchy, not necessarily a better system based on what Vader and Palantine. Also, in the last episode they have very sophisticated medical technology yet Padame has NO IDEA she has twins.

Face it; all Lucas gives a boris about is selling Happy meal toys, video games and merchanidising crap. The whole thing is warmed over senseless hooey.

[JiF]

So Empire is set 3 years after New Hope, and then Jedi is 1 year after Empire. Figure Luke's just started his Jedi training in IV, and it's not even real Jedi training, it's like ghetto Jedi training because there's no council and no formal-type sh*t. Nothing like Anakin was going through from Phantom Menace to Sith. He's not even really studying seriously under anyone at the beginning of Empire, doesn't get to Yoda until a little bit into the movie actually. He gets his a$$ handed to him by Vader, but then in Jedi, only a YEAR later, he's suddenly a Jedi master and Vader tells him his skills are complete just because he constructed a new light saber? Never mind the fact that Vader supposedly trained over 13 years to get to the level where he was at in Sith (yes I looked it up); are we really to believe that Luke is that much more of a natural at the force that he needed less than 25% of the time that it took for Vader to get to that level? All this while training under a decrepit Yoda in a swamp for only PART of that time, while Vader was traveling the galaxy and fighting wars with Obi Wan for his training? There's no way he should have been able to beat Vader in a light saber duel at the end of Jedi.

First off, did you watch the marathon on spike? Is that where this came from?

The thing you are totally not taking into account here is, Obi Wan became more powerful than Vadar could ever imagine when he struck him down. Therefore, he was giving Luke behind the scenes Jedi training that you couldnt receive if he was still alive. Then, he went and trained with Yoda 1 on 1, where as Anakin trained with Obi Wan in the phsyical form, not the meta-physical. HUGE difference here.

Also, I think Luke benefited from learing on the fly. He was battling the Empire and learning to be a Jedi all a the same time. I think it accelerated his learning where as Anakin's was more methodical. They kind of gave the Luke the whole book out the gates where Anakin was getting bits and pieces.

Duh

[RutgersJetFan]

First off, did you watch the marathon on spike? Is that where this came from?

Yes. Yesterday was a very frustrating day because of this.

Also, all of you are stupid and your theories suck Darth balls.

[The Crusher]

Yes. Yesterday was a very frustrating day because of this.

Also, all of you are stupid and your theories suck Darth balls.

Please refrain from personal attacks. Yet, the Darth balls reference was a good one.

[Bleedin Green]

Yes. Yesterday was a very frustrating day because of this.

Also, all of you are stupid and your theories suck Darth balls.

Ok then, how about this one, Luke got uber-Jedi'd up with extra Force power after making out with his Force-filled sister in Empire.

[JiF]

Yes. Yesterday was a very frustrating day because of this.

Also, all of you are stupid and your theories suck Darth balls.

Says the guy who think Luke wasnt studying seriously under anyone till the Empire. I mean, Obi Wan was talking to Luke in the meta-phsyical state but he wasnt being coached till Empire? But we're stupid. okay

Edited by JiF, 06 September 2011 - 10:20 AM.

[dbatesman]

[Matt39]

ughhh...wallet inspector

[Klecko73isGod]

Says the guy who think Luke wasnt studying seriously under anyone till the Empire. I mean, Obi Wan was talking to Luke in the meta-phsyical state but he wasnt being coached till Empire? But we're stupid. okay

Don't forget the influence of Qui-Gon Jinn. At the end of episode III. Master Yoda revealed to Obi-Wan that Qui-Gon's spirit has learned the secret of becoming one with the Force, which he clearly teaches to both Yoda and Obi-Wan. If you don't think uber badass Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn had a hand in Luke's training you're crazy.

[JerryK]

What fool invented light sabers? One wrong move and you lop off your own leg, arm or head.

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kids.

[JiF]

Don't forget the influence of Qui-Gon Jinn. At the end of episode III. Master Yoda revealed to Obi-Wan that Qui-Gon's spirit has learned the secret of becoming one with the Force, which he clearly teaches to both Yoda and Obi-Wan. If you don't think uber badass Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn had a hand in Luke's training you're crazy.

Exactly. God that RJF is a moron.

[RutgersJetFan]

On a similar note to this pic, a bicycle d-bag cut my gf and I off in the car a few days ago, (never seen douchebaggery on the level of bike people until I moved to Chicago), and as he flicked us off after she honked, the best I could come up to yell out the window as he was peddling away was "f*ck you 4-eyes!" You know, because he had glasses on.

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 06 September 2011 - 10:58 AM.

[Vicious89x]

On a similar note to this pic, a bicycle d-bag cut my gf and I off in the car a few days ago, (never seen douchebaggery on the level of bike people until I moved to Chicago), and as he flicked us off after she honked, the best I could come up to yell out the window as he was peddling away was "f*ck you 4-eyes!" You know, because he had glasses on.

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Clearly your insult training is Luke Skywalker levels of weak.

Also Obi-Wan > ever other Jedi. BOW TO THE MASTER.

[dbatesman]

never seen douchebaggery on the level of bike people until I moved to Chicago

A MILLION TIMES THIS.