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#21 Bugg

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:28 PM

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There should be no surprise that protecting Joe Paterno, Penn State, Happy Valley and Linebacker U — profit-generating institutions at the core of big-time college athletics’ amateur myth — appears to have taken precedence over the protection of children.
It’s the era we live in. Institutions are valued more than human beings.
Safeguarding JoPa, marketing and exploiting his march to victory 409, appears to have been more important than exposing allegations against longtime defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, charged with sexually abusing teenage boys.
Let’s not ignore the timing of the release of the grotesque and shocking grand jury report/indictments, conveniently revealed a week after Paterno surpassed Grambling’s Eddie Robinson on the all-time wins list. A two-year investigation wrapped up just as JoePa placed a bow on his legacy and 11 months after Paterno testified in front of the grand jury examining Sandusky’s alleged two decades of heinous perversion.
Coincidence? Not in my eyes.
No one involved in the tragic handling of the allegations against Sandusky is worthy of sympathy and benefit of doubt without first answering some very direct and serious questions.


A former coach has been charged with abusing eight minors. Greg Couch asks: How could school officials let this happen?

Not Paterno. Not Mike McQueary, the graduate assistant-turned-recruiting coordinator who reportedly witnessed Sandusky rape a young boy in the Penn State locker room in 2002. Not Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the former Penn State administrators accused of covering up the 2002 rape. Not Penn State president Graham Spanier. And not anyone involved in the rug-swept 1998 investigation into allegations of sexually criminal behavior against Sandusky that might have played some role in Sandusky’s abrupt 1999 retirement and self-admitted realization he’d never be Paterno’s successor.
Until questions are answered thoroughly and forthrightly, all of these people, including the people rationalizing Paterno’s weak actions upon hearing about the 2002 incident, are guilty of valuing the JoePa myth more than the reality of the vulnerability and preciousness of human life.
Four hundred and nine victories at what cost?
If there is an ounce of dignity left in Paterno’s vain and delusional 84-year-old body, he will step down from his throne today. His written excuse is preposterous.
“If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters,” Paterno said in a statement. “While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can’t help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred. . . . If this is true, we were fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers.
“As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.”


At age 75, Paterno sought plausible deniability from the allegations of criminal behavior inside the Penn State locker room of his 30-year employee. Rather than immediately demand that Sandusky appear and explain himself, the world-famous molder of men passed the responsibility along to the athletic director, who has far less real power than Paterno. Paterno could have done a helluva lot more. Rather than call the police, Paterno seemingly gathered as little information as possible and slipped back into his JoePa facade.
Witnessing this cowardice and hypocrisy, it appears, made Mike McQueary want to be a Joe Paterno assistant coach for the next decade. I don’t understand McQueary, a former Penn State quarterback, at all. He allegedly saw a naked old man raping a naked young boy, and McQueary ran out of the locker room. He took no action to protect the boy? McQueary is at least 30 years younger than Sandusky. Coaching is supposed to be about helping young people develop.
But money and fame have perverted the profession. It’s now an occupation to pleasure vanity. Joe Paterno should’ve retired 20 years ago. His ego wouldn’t allow it. Dean Smith, the far more self-aware basketball version of Paterno, retired at age 66. But coach Smith owned the Division I record for victories when he retired. North Carolina didn’t need to prop him up for a decade so he could surpass Adolph Rupp.
There should be an asterisk next to JoPa’s 409 victories. And if not an asterisk, at least a dollar sign, America’s favorite religious symbol, our justification for valuing institutions more than human beings.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:34 PM

Penn. law is that he is also a mandated reporter. Yet he allowed this bastard access to the offices, and even allowed him to use Penn State facilities for overnight athelitc camps fr kids. And he promoted the assistant who told him about the rape of the little boy.

If his name was not Joe Paterno and he was not 80+ years old Joe Paterno would be under indictment.


Bugg, nothing stirs you up more than a scandal with all the details not being totally clear ;).

Paterno DID report what he had been told to his superiors. The questions that are begged:
-What was he told.
-Why wasn't there follow up on his part if what he was told was very serious.
-You imply that there was a "rape" in that shower-I had not seen that reported in the grand jury testimony
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:36 PM

The grand jury report is horrifying. If true the football program deserves the death penalty.

We're worrying about tattoos at Ohio St, while this program is covering up a pedophile.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:37 PM

Paterno, “If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters,”. I call BS.

You worked with the guy for over 30 years. How does something like that not process into your brain? I feel bad for all those kids. Everyone in that organization should be disgraced for the way they handled this situation.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:40 PM

Paterno, “If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters,”. I call BS.

You worked with the guy for over 30 years. How does something like that not process into your brain? I feel bad for all those kids. Everyone in that organization should be disgraced for the way they handled this situation.


The first accounting of any "contact" is around 1998. Sandusky retired in 1999.

The shower incidence occurred in 2002.

Who know how long this had ben going on, and the reports are horrible. Chances are, more info will come out, as this is brought to light, and that will tell who knew what when, and how much they knew. That is critical
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:40 PM

Paterno DID report what he had been told to his superiors.


If a criminal act is witnessed - especially one as heinous as sexual contact between an adult and a minor - it should be reported to the authorities directly, not up the "chain-of-command" in the athletic department ... one in which, as Whitlock pointed out, Joe Paterno has far more clout than the AD.

I can sort of understand McQueary's logic at the time in going to Paterno first, but his silence following the subsequent lack of response is equally inexcusable.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:43 PM

If a criminal act is witnessed - especially one as heinous as sexual contact between an adult and a minor - it should be reported to the authorities directly, not up the "chain-of-command" in the athletic department ... one in which, as Whitlock pointed out, Joe Paterno has far more clout than the AD.

I can sort of understand McQueary's logic at the time in going to Paterno first, but his silence following the subsequent lack of response is equally inexcusable.


That is undeniable. How much did Joe know, and what was passed along. These are all things that have to surface.

The Centre County DA had previously declined to offer indictments against Sandusky. That DA (Gricar) is missing and presumed dead. That Sandusky was not nabbed then, is truly a shame
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:45 PM

The first accounting of any "contact" is around 1998. Sandusky retired in 1999.

The shower incidence occurred in 2002.

Who know how long this had ben going on, and the reports are horrible. Chances are, more info will come out, as this is brought to light, and that will tell who knew what when, and how much they knew. That is critical


True, but just hearing how PSU handled the situation is pretty embarrassing by itself.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:47 PM

The first accounting of any "contact" is around 1998. Sandusky retired in 1999.

The shower incidence occurred in 2002.


He retired as an employee of the school, but was still granted access to the facilities to perform his depraved acts. They're all complicit at some level.

On another note, the title of his autobiography should've been a dead giveaway. For a moment, I thought it was a perverse joke before confirming it to be legit:


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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:49 PM

True, but just hearing how PSU handled the situation is pretty embarrassing by itself.


It absolutely is, and Graham Spanier should be implicated also.

Paterno would be served to tell his story of what he knew, when he knew it, what he did with the information, and what he was told in response.

Not sure how much he is bound to silence by the Grand Jury at this point, but everyone does deserve the ability to tell their side.

Indictments of personalities in the court of public opinion aren't always the fairest, absent facts.

On the whole, it is damning to the entire program, and Joe also, but everyone deserves to tell their part of telling their side.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:58 PM

It absolutely is, and Graham Spanier should be implicated also. Paterno would be served to tell his story of what he knew, when he knew it, what he did with the information, and what he was told in response. Not sure how much he is bound to silence by the Grand Jury at this point, but everyone does deserve the ability to tell their side. Indictments of personalities in the court of public opinion aren't always the fairest, absent facts. On the whole, it is damning to the entire program, and Joe also, but everyone deserves to tell their part of telling their side.


Bottom line is that Paterno (admittedly) failed to report a known instance of sexual abuse against a minor to the authorities (his AD doesn't count), which is a 1st degree misdemeanor in Ohio, given the circumstances (physical/mental wounds and Sandusky being in a supervisory position over the victim).
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:00 PM

It absolutely is, and Graham Spanier should be implicated also.

Paterno would be served to tell his story of what he knew, when he knew it, what he did with the information, and what he was told in response.

Not sure how much he is bound to silence by the Grand Jury at this point, but everyone does deserve the ability to tell their side.

Indictments of personalities in the court of public opinion aren't always the fairest, absent facts.

On the whole, it is damning to the entire program, and Joe also, but everyone deserves to tell their part of telling their side.


Agreed. The real story will come out and everyone will get the state their sides. I'm not gonna jump down anyones throats like some people did in the duke case. Although this story has a lot more depth and history then the Duke one.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:01 PM

Bottom line is that Paterno (admittedly) failed to report a known instance of sexual abuse against a minor to the authorities (his AD doesn't count), which is a 1st degree misdemeanor in Ohio, given the circumstances (physical/mental wounds and Sandusky being in a supervisory position over the victim).


Joe needs to come clean on what he was told, and what he did with that information. No denying that.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:06 PM

Here's the top negative review for Sandusky's book on Amazon:

Mr. Sandusky is both a genius and a narcissist, which makes him the perfect predator. At no time was his narcissim more apparent then when he titled his book "Touched". I guarantee this coward will "off" himself, before he ever spends a day with the general prison population. I, for one, would like to see him spend the rest of his life locked up with the general prison population; then, perhaps he can write the sequel entitled "Touched II: Predator Becomes Prey".


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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:14 PM

Here's the top negative review for Sandusky's book on Amazon:


That he was let out on a mere $100,000 bail is a joke.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:19 PM

Disgusting.

What a complete and utter disgrace.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:26 PM

Joe needs to go anyway.

Dude, hang up the whistle.


Yeah, some coaches don't know when to throw in the towel... always leave at the height of your genius, or eventually be exposed for having none. Amiright?

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:30 PM

Bugg, nothing stirs you up more than a scandal with all the details not being totally clear ;).

Paterno DID report what he had been told to his superiors. The questions that are begged:
-What was he told.
-Why wasn't there follow up on his part if what he was told was very serious.
-You imply that there was a "rape" in that shower-I had not seen that reported in the grand jury testimony


As a fellow PSU alum and a staunch fan of JoPa, I have some serious questions here. McQueary may not have seen a "rape", but what is on record is he heard sounds coming from the shower that he felt sounded like people having sexual relations. It did not, however, state what he actually saw other than Sandusky and a little boy naked in the shower. McQueary called his father who promptly told him to report it to Paterno. Paterno immediately called the AD and had him over his house with McQueary to report the findings. That is all that is on record.

OK, so basically from the point JoPa reported the incident to the AD he essentially did nothing since. That's where I take issue. Did he not continually inquire to the AD's findings and action? Did the AD tell him that it was all a misunderstanding and they handled it internally? To me, whenever there is an allegation of child molestation, the authorities need to be brought in. Period. If any part you played in the situation led to or agreed to not bring in the authorities then you are morally complicit in my opinion.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:40 PM

OK, so basically from the point JoPa reported the incident to the AD he essentially did nothing since. That's where I take issue. Did he not continually inquire to the AD's findings and action? Did the AD tell him that it was all a misunderstanding and they handled it internally?


Of course he didn't inquire. He passed the buck to the AD and washed his hands of the whole matter.

If any part you played in the situation led to or agreed to not bring in the authorities then you are morally complicit in my opinion.


Not just morally... failure to report something of this nature to the authorities is absolutely a criminal offense in the state of Ohio (and most states, for that matter).
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:51 PM

I assume that Coach Paterno was smart enough to keep his grandchildren away from this weirdo. He knew and he should be put out to pasture as well. Who knows, some day mabe PSU will have a good football program again.




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