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[Aten]

I think people are vastly overrating Tyson Chandler in context of this Knicks roster.

Really? I think that contextually this is the best move we've made since the ledger cleared in 2009. Amare was a necessary evil. We let Carmelo force his way onto the team as bait for somebody better and in doing so made it impossible to actually get said somebody. So here we are. Is there a better plan than Chandler (obviously I'd have preferred Nene but you get the idea) and Nash?

[T0mShane]

Really? I think that contextually this is the best move we've made since the ledger cleared in 2009. Amare was a necessary evil. We let Carmelo force his way onto the team as bait for somebody better and in doing so made it impossible to actually get said somebody. So here we are. Is there a better plan than Chandler (obviously I'd have preferred Nene but you get the idea) and Nash?

Hadn't considered the addition of Nash, actually. My comment was more focused on people seemingly confusing Chandler with Dennis Rodman. He's a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster. The Knicks are slotting him as their third best player and I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden. Especially this year, when there will be less than zero in the backcourt.

[RutgersJetFan]

Hadn't considered the addition of Nash, actually. My comment was more focused on people seemingly confusing Chandler with Dennis Rodman. He's a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster. The Knicks are slotting him as their third best player and I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden. Especially this year, when there will be less than zero in the backcourt.

Consider this one bookmarked.

[RutgersJetFan]

Amare was a necessary evil. We let Carmelo force his way onto the team as bait for somebody better and in doing so made it impossible to actually get said somebody. So here we are.

And I'll take it. Wasn't too long ago I was justifying guys like Nazr Mohammad to myself this time of year.

[jason423]

Hadn't considered the addition of Nash, actually. My comment was more focused on people seemingly confusing Chandler with Dennis Rodman. He's a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster. The Knicks are slotting him as their third best player and I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden. Especially this year, when there will be less than zero in the backcourt.

I think Chandler is pretty decent and will fit in nicely. I do think there are some misconceptions about him when I hear people talking about him on the radio, such as hes a budding young talent (hes almost 30 and on his 4th team now) and I think some overestimate the defense thinking they are getting Marcus Camby back because hes lanky like Camby was, but hes a solid player. Hes going to get the Knicks alot of second chance point opportunities and he will also misdirect some shots when the guys up front just get blown by. Hes far superior to Gooden. Plus if things dont work out there will always be a trade market to get a piece for Chandler down the line.

[Aten]

I think some overestimate the defense thinking they are getting Marcus Camby back because hes lanky like Camby was, but hes a solid player.

He's better in the lane than Camby is. He's not as good a backside shotblocker but that's Amare's job anyway.

[THE ILK]

Any chance they get Felton back after this year?

They can use their exception, and go like $5 million for him right?

[dolphann4life]

I think Chandler is pretty decent and will fit in nicely. I do think there are some misconceptions about him when I hear people talking about him on the radio, such as hes a budding young talent (hes almost 30 and on his 4th team now) and I think some overestimate the defense thinking they are getting Marcus Camby back because hes lanky like Camby was, but hes a solid player. Hes going to get the Knicks alot of second chance point opportunities and he will also misdirect some shots when the guys up front just get blown by. Hes far superior to Gooden. Plus if things dont work out there will always be a trade market to get a piece for Chandler down the line.

Not with that contract. 15 mil a year for a guy who avg's 8 pts. and 9rebs. and 1 blk a game for his career. He's a nice addition for the knicks but he's being vastly overpaid, but thats what happens in the Free agent market.


Edit: Actualy someone would probably take his expiring contract in 3 years.

Edited by dolphann4life, 13 December 2011 - 12:00 PM.

[SMC]

Not with that contract. 15 mil a year for a guy who avg's 8 pts. and 9rebs. and 1 blk a game for his career. He's a nice addition for the knicks but he's being vastly overpaid, but thats what happens in the Free agent market.

Edit: Actualy someone would probably take his expiring contract in 3 years.

True on both ends BUT, the Chandler deal expires the same time as Melo's and Amare's. It seems to me that the Knicks are looking at a 4 yr run with all 3. Further, Grunwald has abandoned the Big 3 blueprint and is seeking to acquire complementary players around the Big 2. Well, at least that's the beat writers' spin.

[SMC]

I think Chandler is pretty decent and will fit in nicely. I do think there are some misconceptions about him when I hear people talking about him on the radio, such as hes a budding young talent (hes almost 30 and on his 4th team now) and I think some overestimate the defense thinking they are getting Marcus Camby back because hes lanky like Camby was, but hes a solid player. Hes going to get the Knicks alot of second chance point opportunities and he will also misdirect some shots when the guys up front just get blown by. Hes far superior to Gooden. Plus if things dont work out there will always be a trade market to get a piece for Chandler down the line.

Chandler was brought in as a complimentary player, not to fool fans as one of the "Big 3", So, yeah, the "budding young talent" angle is flat out wrong.

He fits this team perfectly because he'll play some D and he'll get a ton of rebounds and 2nd chance points from all the bricks Amar'e and Melo will be shooting.

[Aten]

True on both ends BUT, the Chandler deal expires the same time as Melo's and Amare's. It seems to me that the Knicks are looking at a 4 yr run with all 3. Further, Grunwald has abandoned the Big 3 blueprint and is seeking to acquire complementary players around the Big 2. Well, at least that's the beat writers' spin.

I think it's more like a two-year window with Chandler/Fields/Carmelo/Amare/Nash. Time is on LeBron's side and nobody else is really all that good. Figure year four of the max deals is spent blowing everything up.

[dolphann4life]

True on both ends BUT, the Chandler deal expires the same time as Melo's and Amare's. It seems to me that the Knicks are looking at a 4 yr run with all 3. Further, Grunwald has abandoned the Big 3 blueprint and is seeking to acquire complementary players around the Big 2. Well, at least that's the beat writers' spin.

And thats the right way to build a team. I can see the Knicks adding Felton next year and some nice role players.

[Aten]

And thats the right way to build a team.

[dolphann4life]

LOL I have no gripes with Chris Bosh.

[SMC]

I think it's more like a two-year window with Chandler/Fields/Carmelo/Amare/Nash. Time is on LeBron's side and nobody else is really all that good. Figure year four of the max deals is spent blowing everything up.

True. My point was that the Knicks don't have a true "long term" committed to all of them because like you note, the last yr of the deals would be about blowing everything up if things haven't worked out.

Plus, I prefer this method than what Isiah did in giving big contracts to 3rd-4th tier talent. That's what kills a team, not contracts for the likes of Melo or Amar'e.

[SMC]

Tom & Jason, on your points about Chandler-Camby, Chandler is bigger and stronger than Camby, although not as good as a shot blocker. I remember Knicks playing Dallas and Chandler towered over everyone. He's a legit 7'1".

[Aten]

Wow. The Lakers just swiped McRoberts for the room exception. We'd better be sitting on something better than Baron/Crawford/Shawne.

[SMC]

Wow. The Lakers just swiped McRoberts for the room exception. We'd better be sitting on something better than Baron/Crawford/Shawne.

Yep, and Crawford reportedly got a 2 yr offer for $10 mill from the Pacers, twice what he can get from the Knicks unless they're dumb enough to do a sign-and-trade

[Aten]

Yep, and Crawford reportedly got a 2 yr offer for $10 mill from the Pacers, twice what he can get from the Knicks unless they're dumb enough to do a sign-and-trade

They're not trading Douglas or Fields for Crawford. I didn't think he'd sign for the 2.5, but if that's the deal McRoberts got then we ought to be holding out for better.

[JohnnyHector]

Wow. The Lakers just swiped McRoberts for the room exception. We'd better be sitting on something better than Baron/Crawford/Shawne.

They're holding out for Iverson.