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YEAR 2 FOR BOTH QB's

sanchez 2010

278-507 ...3,291 yards.....54.8% completion %.......17 td.....13 INT.......75.3 QB RATING

eli manning 2005

294-557.......3762 yards......52.8 completion %......24 TD.....17 INT.....75.9 QB RATING

YEAR 3 FOR BOTH QB's

sanchez 2011

287-511....3267 yards.....56.2 completion %......24 TD.....15 INT......79 QB RATING...... ( 1 game left btw)

eli manning 2006

301-522......3244 yards......57.7 completion %....24 TD....18 INT....77 QB RATING

these guys have strikingly similar numbers in years 2 and 3 of their careers....i didn't include eithers rookie year for comparison b/c ELI only started 9 games.........oh yeah, and SANCHEZ MADE THE FREAKIN AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME HIS FIRST 2 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE!!!!

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Doesn't matter as we have guys who from their living room sofa feel it is time for the Jets to move in another direction. :winking0001:

I mentioned the same thing about Eli and it may be a pipe dream but regardless, I don't think you give up on your QB in year 3.

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Doesn't matter as we have guys who from their living room sofa feel it is time for the Jets to move in another direction. :winking0001:

I mentioned the same thing about Eli and it may be a pipe dream but regardless, I don't think you give up on your QB in year 3.

Not as long as he keeps improving, no. And he has. Not as fast as anyone would like, but you have to stick with that.

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Eli's 2nd year?

What exactly does it mean to compare MS 2nd year to Eli's 2nd year?

Many guys have had crummy 2nd years and then been out of the league in 4-5 years which by the way also means nothing.

What does matter is MS cannot hit a reciever in stride or throw an acccurate pass over 15 yds.

He is a choking fumbling interception producing POS as a QB.

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Eli's 2nd year?

What exactly does it mean to compare MS 2nd year to Eli's 2nd year?

Many guys have had crummy 2nd years and then been out of the league in 4-5 years which by the way also means nothing.

What does matter is MS cannot hit a reciever in stride or throw an acccurate pass over 15 yds.

He is a choking fumbling interception producing POS as a QB.

know your history babe.....Coughlin relieved the Giants former OC of play calling duties and gave it to Gilbride in the last or 2nd to last game of the season the year they won the Super Bowl.....arent a ton of us asking Rex to fire/relieve Schotty??

The point is that Giants fans were clamoring that Eli was a bum at the end of his 3rd full year the same way the majority of Jets fans are doing right now......the 2 of them have basically the exact same body of work up until this point.....What did Eli do the next year?? Win the SUPER BOWL......and now he is entrenched and cemented as the greatest QB the Giants ever had and everyone loves him!!

And to think that all it took was a change at the Offensive coordinator position......learn from the past my friends

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know your history babe.....Coughlin relieved the Giants former OC of play calling duties and gave it to Gilbride in the last or 2nd to last game of the season the year they won the Super Bowl.....arent a ton of us asking Rex to fire/relieve Schotty??

The point is that Giants fans were clamoring that Eli was a bum at the end of his 3rd full year the same way the majority of Jets fans are doing right now......the 2 of them have basically the exact same body of work up until this point.....What did Eli do the next year?? Win the SUPER BOWL......and now he is entrenched and cemented as the greatest QB the Giants ever had and everyone loves him!!

And to think that all it took was a change at the Offensive coordinator position......learn from the past my friends

OK I admit it, you had me at Babe.

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We will see next year. Sanchez did play in the AFC Championship game in his first two years, and he performed well. But he was horrible this year and has not shown the ability to throw the ball well down field. Maybe defenses are wising up to this and playing a bit tighter. In the Giant game, against a vulnerable secondary, his longest completion was for 15 yards. Not the sign of an elite QB. Also, his decision-making is not very good- he makes the same mistakes, and he should be past that by now.

Eli won a Super Bowl in his 4TH Year, and was Super Bowl MVP. He played a major role in all the playoff victories, all on the road, and helped defeat the mighty Patriots. Does anyone think Sanchez is going to lead the Jets to a super bowl victory next year?

Bottom line, Tannenbaum drafted Sanchez and anointed him as the future of the Jets. Maybe he should reconsider, but he won't. I am not convinced Sanchez has what it takes to be an elite QB in this league.

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YEAR 2 FOR BOTH QB's

sanchez 2010

278-507 ...3,291 yards.....54.8% completion %.......17 td.....13 INT.......75.3 QB RATING

eli manning 2005

294-557.......3762 yards......52.8 completion %......24 TD.....17 INT.....75.9 QB RATING

YEAR 3 FOR BOTH QB's

sanchez 2011

287-511....3267 yards.....56.2 completion %......24 TD.....15 INT......79 QB RATING...... ( 1 game left btw)

eli manning 2006

301-522......3244 yards......57.7 completion %....24 TD....18 INT....77 QB RATING

these guys have strikingly similar numbers in years 2 and 3 of their careers....i didn't include eithers rookie year for comparison b/c ELI only started 9 games.........oh yeah, and SANCHEZ MADE THE FREAKIN AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME HIS FIRST 2 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE!!!!

Why did Eli get better ? because they started surrounding him with a load of skill players at just about every position. You think the Jets are smart enough to do that after the way they handled Sanchez the first 3 years ?

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Eli won a Super Bowl in his 4TH Year, and was Super Bowl MVP. He played a major role in all the playoff victories, all on the road, and helped defeat the mighty Patriots. Does anyone think Sanchez is going to lead the Jets to a super bowl victory next year?

Not if the Jets do not make wholesale changes on offense . I pretty much expect more of the same or worse.

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Smashmouth, I think the defense has to be tinkered with too. LBs are too slow, safeties are horrible. Wilkerson was a great pick, but nobody else really stands out.

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Why did Eli get better ? because they started surrounding him with a load of skill players at just about every position. You think the Jets are smart enough to do that after the way they handled Sanchez the first 3 years ?

LOL!!!

They lost their all-pro RB from the year before.

Their all-pro TE was acting up like a baby all season and then got injured before the playoffs.

Said TE was replaced by a 5th round rookie who blocked worse than Dustin Keller at the time.

They were starting Amani Toomer, who was far from a "skill player" at that point.

The great Sinorice Moss was their slot receiver.

Rookie Steve Smith who missed most of the season.

Derrick Ward & Reuben Droughns had a couple hundred carries.

Brandon Jacobs missed the first third of the season & wasn't exactly the goal-line beast of a year prior.

They also did some OL shuffling, after cutting their starting LT and his replacement retired.

In addition to Barber, who was still arguably the NFC's best RB in '06, they also "lost" Tim Carter (started 8 games the year before), Jim Finn, and Visanthe Shiancoe from their 2006 team.

All the Sanchez excuse-makers would be screaming bloody murder if the Jets did Sanchez like that, and likely would have followed that up with citing all-time great QBs who couldn't have possibly led the team to a superbowl.

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LOL!!!

They lost their all-pro RB from the year before.

Their all-pro TE was acting up like a baby all season and then got injured before the playoffs.

Said TE was replaced by a 5th round rookie who blocked worse than Dustin Keller at the time.

They were starting Amani Toomer, who was far from a "skill player" at that point.

The great Sinorice Moss was their slot receiver.

Rookie Steve Smith who missed most of the season.

Derrick Ward & Reuben Droughns had a couple hundred carries.

Brandon Jacobs missed the first third of the season & wasn't exactly the goal-line beast of a year prior.

They also did some OL shuffling, after cutting their starting LT and his replacement retired.

In addition to Barber, who was still arguably the NFC's best RB in '06, they also "lost" Tim Carter (started 8 games the year before), Jim Finn, and Visanthe Shiancoe from their 2006 team.

All the Sanchez excuse-makers would be screaming bloody murder if the Jets did Sanchez like that, and likely would have followed that up with citing all-time great QBs who couldn't have possibly led the team to a superbowl.

You're talking about a lot of talent there though. The Giants have always had depth. The Jets have Patrick Turner.

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You're talking about a lot of talent there though. The Giants have always had depth. The Jets have Patrick Turner.

The complaint all season long was player turnover at receiver, specifically losing Edwards and Cotchery. Teams do well every year with player turnover. QBs get used to new receivers every single season. The good ones make lousy talents look like mediocre ones. They make mediocre talents look good. They make good players look great. Sanchez does none of this. He makes formerly good & great players into mediocre ones and they dog their routes knowing he's not delivering it. I'm not absolving the receivers because they are a hard group to like as a fan. But they are plenty talented. Sanchez can only rarely deliver the goods and you can bet they know it.

I suppose there will be no end to the excuses until we surround Sanchez with the AFC's starting pro bowl lineup and the game's greatest offensive masterminds.

C'mon bro. You've seen enough football that I know you can see the difference between Sanchez and the game's better QBs.

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LOL!!!

They lost their all-pro RB from the year before.

Their all-pro TE was acting up like a baby all season and then got injured before the playoffs.

Said TE was replaced by a 5th round rookie who blocked worse than Dustin Keller at the time.

They were starting Amani Toomer, who was far from a "skill player" at that point.

The great Sinorice Moss was their slot receiver.

Rookie Steve Smith who missed most of the season.

Derrick Ward & Reuben Droughns had a couple hundred carries.

Brandon Jacobs missed the first third of the season & wasn't exactly the goal-line beast of a year prior.

They also did some OL shuffling, after cutting their starting LT and his replacement retired.

In addition to Barber, who was still arguably the NFC's best RB in '06, they also "lost" Tim Carter (started 8 games the year before), Jim Finn, and Visanthe Shiancoe from their 2006 team.

All the Sanchez excuse-makers would be screaming bloody murder if the Jets did Sanchez like that, and likely would have followed that up with citing all-time great QBs who couldn't have possibly led the team to a superbowl.

WTF are you talking about ? So guys got hurt and retired yet they still got Nicks and Mannigham and Bradshaw do you bother to look at how much the giants have invested in skill players compared to the Jets ?

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The complaint all season long was player turnover at receiver, specifically losing Edwards and Cotchery. Teams do well every year with player turnover. QBs get used to new receivers every single season. The good ones make lousy talents look like mediocre ones. They make mediocre talents look good. They make good players look great. Sanchez does none of this. He makes formerly good & great players into mediocre ones and they dog their routes knowing he's not delivering it. I'm not absolving the receivers because they are a hard group to like as a fan. But they are plenty talented. Sanchez can only rarely deliver the goods and you can bet they know it.

I suppose there will be no end to the excuses until we surround Sanchez with the AFC's starting pro bowl lineup and the game's greatest offensive masterminds.

C'mon bro. You've seen enough football that I know you can see the difference between Sanchez and the game's better QBs.

I know Sanchez stinks....the Jets entire philosophy stinks though. We have zero depth on offense.

The Giants find guys like Victor Cruz and Jake Ballard. The Jets don't find anyone. Cruz made a play that basically won the Giants the game....have the Jets had one big play this year?

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Smashmouth, I think the defense has to be tinkered with too. LBs are too slow, safeties are horrible. Wilkerson was a great pick, but nobody else really stands out.

I agree Safety LB are big concernes

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I know Sanchez stinks....the Jets entire philosophy stinks though. We have zero depth on offense.

The Giants find guys like Victor Cruz and Jake Ballard. The Jets don't find anyone. Cruz made a play that basically won the Giants the game....have the Jets had one big play this year?

Well no the Jets have not made a big play because Santonio the super star has not caught a ball and had half the secondary fall to the ground while he trotted into the endzone.

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LOL!!!

They lost their all-pro RB from the year before.

Their all-pro TE was acting up like a baby all season and then got injured before the playoffs.

Said TE was replaced by a 5th round rookie who blocked worse than Dustin Keller at the time.

They were starting Amani Toomer, who was far from a "skill player" at that point.

The great Sinorice Moss was their slot receiver.

Rookie Steve Smith who missed most of the season.

Derrick Ward & Reuben Droughns had a couple hundred carries.

Brandon Jacobs missed the first third of the season & wasn't exactly the goal-line beast of a year prior.

They also did some OL shuffling, after cutting their starting LT and his replacement retired.

In addition to Barber, who was still arguably the NFC's best RB in '06, they also "lost" Tim Carter (started 8 games the year before), Jim Finn, and Visanthe Shiancoe from their 2006 team.

All the Sanchez excuse-makers would be screaming bloody murder if the Jets did Sanchez like that, and likely would have followed that up with citing all-time great QBs who couldn't have possibly led the team to a superbowl.

Ha! And since then, they've "surrounded him with talent" and the results are???

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WTF are you talking about ? So guys got hurt and retired yet they still got Nicks and Mannigham and Bradshaw do you bother to look at how much the giants have invested in skill players compared to the Jets ?

The Jets lost no one of the caliber of Tiki Barber or Jeremy Shockey, let alone two.

Sanchez sucks. The whole country can see that.

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The Jets lost no one of the caliber of Tiki Barber or Jeremy Shockey, let alone two.

Sanchez sucks. The whole country can see that.

They've never had someone of Tiki's caliber either.

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I think the take-home point is that someone of Tiki's skill level is not needed if your QB isn't as bad as Sanchez.

We're getting to the thinking point here that if you had Aaron Rodgers you could put functioning retards at WR and everything would be ok.

It isnt that simple, you need guys that can play. The guys surrounding Brees and Rodgers, Eli are very good football players in their own right.

I've already said numerous times Sanchez looks to be getting worse, but the entire offense is a mess, including the guys he's throwing to. Seriously how many times is our first round tight end going to take a pass off the facemask? How many times is Shonn Greene going to drop a pass right into his hands? How many times is our 50 million WR going to drop a pass and turn the ball over? The entire offense needs to be blown up.

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