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whose that guy to replace Bart Scott with the 1st round pick/


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#1 BornJetsFan1983

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 02:03 PM

I read somewhere online about the Jets picking some loudmouth that would replace Bart Scott, he had the he could back it up sort of description...I cant find it now and really wanted to check out who this kid was cause i never heard of him before...I think it said he was an Arizona boy...

Anyway I figured someone on here would know since you all have crazy football knowledge and maybe one of you a$$ holes read the same thing I did..

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(thats right I insulted and complimented you all and then thanked and unthanked you all..whoever gets me the answer will win aa huge amount of money that I made myself out of bandaids...)
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 02:15 PM

1. You're a dork.
2. The guy you're looking for is Vontaze Burfict, Arizona State.


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Posted 19 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

Ok, I'll bet anybody here $1000 they don't draft an ILB in the first round.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:29 PM

Vontaze Burfict would be a disaster as a first round pick. Now as a second round pick, very shrewd.

Besides the pick is gonna be Upshaw or Barron
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:32 PM

1. You're a dork.
2. The guy you're looking for is Vontaze Burfict, Arizona State.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7achvXsy3Q


Its funny the first highlight they have on there, he completely misses the play.

Then the washington game. He blows up the guard but has no impact.

Don't get me wrong the guy might be the most talented LB I've seen in ten years, but his execution, discipline and consistency really need a lot of work.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:23 PM

Its funny the first highlight they have on there, he completely misses the play.

Then the washington game. He blows up the guard but has no impact.


Don't get me wrong the guy might be the most talented LB I've seen in ten years, but his execution, discipline and consistency really need a lot of work.


alot of similar comments from draft analyst recently

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 07:56 PM

The guy is an incredible talent, that apparently fell off once his buddy (I forget his name) stopped playing and failed to "line him up appropriately". I would still like to see him on our roster, just not at 16.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 08:43 PM

He's a guy that you could get three or four good years from as he chases a big contract. The guy doesn't seem to like football, he probably just likes the benefits and the money
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:33 PM

1. You're a dork.
2. The guy you're looking for is Vontaze Burfict, Arizona State.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7achvXsy3Q


no your a dork, but thanks for finding this for me...I agree with you BroadwayJ667, I like to see a 2nd rounder get a guy like this...

All I really Hope is we get starters.. three would be great but I be happy with two..hell I be happy with three backups that could be counted on to play well...
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:20 AM

IF the Jets decide to draft Scotts replacement in the 1st round, it should be Hightower from Alabama. He will end up being a top 5 player if you re due the draft 3 years later, and will start day one for whatever team drafts him (probably the Steelers) if they need him to.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:09 PM

I want Vontaze Burfict. We can draft him this year, keep Bart Scott since his money is guaranteed anyway, have him replace Thomas, stop the run next year like a boss...This is a position we are going to need to address in the next year or two, Burfict is a terrific talent who will likely fall to us. If we aren't going Mark Barron, this is the guy I want. I do not believe that this guy is really going to fall to the second round. Let's not be greedy, this is an impact player on defense...
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

Former Arizona state QB Danny White on Burfict:

"I agree 100 percent," White said. "He was also the reason Dennis Erickson got fired. When your best football player is a guy like that, he's what I call a coach killer. He's such a great athlete, you have to have him on the field. But by the same token, the negatives outweigh the positives with him. As great a player as he is, you can' t have that. And then what happens, when if you don't take extreme measures with it, then it becomes a cancer on the team. And I started seeing other guys on the defense starting to act like that and I think it became infectious. No matter how good a player is, when he's got that kind of attitude on the field, when he hurts you like Vontaze hurt the team, you got to get rid of him. As hard as that is, and it's a hard thing to do, especially when he's your best player, you just can't have it or it does become a cancer, and I think he did."

Seems like a great player, but after all the controversy about locker room chemistry and relationships this season, I don't see Rex, Tanny or Woody touching this kid with a 1st round pick.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:34 PM

Former Arizona state QB Danny White on Burfict:

"I agree 100 percent," White said. "He was also the reason Dennis Erickson got fired. When your best football player is a guy like that, he's what I call a coach killer. He's such a great athlete, you have to have him on the field. But by the same token, the negatives outweigh the positives with him. As great a player as he is, you can' t have that. And then what happens, when if you don't take extreme measures with it, then it becomes a cancer on the team. And I started seeing other guys on the defense starting to act like that and I think it became infectious. No matter how good a player is, when he's got that kind of attitude on the field, when he hurts you like Vontaze hurt the team, you got to get rid of him. As hard as that is, and it's a hard thing to do, especially when he's your best player, you just can't have it or it does become a cancer, and I think he did."

Seems like a great player, but after all the controversy about locker room chemistry and relationships this season, I don't see Rex, Tanny or Woody touching this kid with a 1st round pick.


Agree with your analysis on Burfict...sometimes you just got to cut a man loose...still think Rex is arrogant enough to draft him (not in the first) and attempt to rehabilitate...hopefully after last season they say pass.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:11 PM

I could definitely see Rex drooling over him if he makes it to the second round. He can't be any worse than Ducasse. I just fear he could be Holmes' counterpart on the defense, in terms of rocking the boat. That is why guys like Ray Lewis are so important to have in a locker room. Lewis rules the Ravens locker room like a true leader, no one questions him and no one even thinks about challenging him. If you step out of line, you have to answer to Ray, he holds everyone accountable. If the Jets had a guy like that on their team, I would roll the dice on him after the 1st round, but saldy we do not have the proper leadership to bottleup a nut case like Vontaze.

Maybe he can join Holmes and Sanchez in their couples therapy sessions. haha
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:21 PM

Luke Kuechley is exactly what this team needs. A classy great player.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:13 AM

No one threatens Lewis because he might kill them.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:48 AM

burfict would be far from perfect
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:34 PM

the draft is day 1 first round, day 2 second and third round, day 3 rounds 4, 5, 6, 7

Burfict still on the board when Day 3 starts would not be surprising at all.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:42 PM

the draft is day 1 first round, day 2 second and third round, day 3 rounds 4, 5, 6, 7

Burfict still on the board when Day 3 starts would not be surprising at all.


At some point being uncoachable catches up to you.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:19 PM

the draft is day 1 first round, day 2 second and third round, day 3 rounds 4, 5, 6, 7

Burfict still on the board when Day 3 starts would not be surprising at all.

I get that this is your opinion, but there is no evidence at all that he will fall that far. He is a first round graded player by basically every single draftnik on the internet...He has some character concerns, but it is still much more likely that he ends up blowing up the combine and going in the top 20.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:34 PM

Vontaze Burfict draws criticism
by Aaron Wilson of Scout.com, February 16, 2012 at 4:59 am ET

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Arizona State junior middle linebacker Vontaze Burfict grew up idolizing Baltimore Ravens All-Pro middle linebacker Ray Lewis, trying to embody Lewis' intimidating style.

"You've got to compare yourself to the greatest," Burfict once said. "I compare myself to him."

However, Burfict's grand ambitions of mirroring the game of the two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year appear to be unrealistic.

A consensus All-American as a sophomore, Burfict wasn't even an all-conference selection last season.

Often losing his temper and piling up penalties, Burfict has displayed serious flaws in his game and attitude.

Now, he's not regarded as a first-round draft target for NFL teams.

"He gets enveloped by bigger bodies and he runs around blocks. For a big, strong guy, he’s nowhere near as strong at the point of attack as I thought he’d be. I don’t see first round at all.” Burfict is prone to facemask penalties, head-butts and cheap shots.

He was benched two seasons ago due to an incredibly high amount of personal foul penalties.

Arizona State coach Dennis Erickson knows Lewis from his days at the University of Miami and once arranged for Burfict to speak with the NFL star. "They're both fired-up guys," Erickson said before last season. "Ray is obviously very mature at this point in his life. They've talked. I wanted Vontaze to relate to what those great players were all about. That's his idol, man. That's his man.

"There aren't too many better. He's a long way from Ray Lewis. Ray plays the game the way it should be played."

A big, strong linebacker at 6-foot-3, 252 pounds, Burfict's lack of discipline extends to his off-field conduct.

Burfict allegedly punched a smaller teammate in the locker room. The former blue-chip recruit also has a history of academic problems.

As the Ravens search for a potential successor to Lewis, they should probably look in a different direction than Burfict.

Boston College standout Luke Kuechly is regarded as the consensus top inside linebacker in the draft.

However, he's not expected to get past the Philadelphia Eagles' No. 15 overall selection of the first round.

Other than Kuechly, Mayock doesn't grade any other inside linebackers as worthy of going in the first round.

Not all draft experts agree, though. For the Ravens, big Alabama inside linebacker Dont'a Hightower is another intriguing possibility.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:24 AM

All it takes is one team to love him. There is still a lot to love...
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:32 AM

All it takes is one team to love him. There is still a lot to love...


Oh there certainly is. As i mentioned earlier, I would strongly consider him in the Second. if Bit is right, and he falls to the 3rd or 4th, I would run to the podium with the selection. He is an extremely intimidating player

Problem is the guy is a psycho. Doesn't seem to take coaching well, and plays out of control. Seems to play to hurt people.

He's the kind of guy that your defense just held their opponent on a 4th and goal at the 1, and he decides to punch a WR as he is walking off the field, giving them a 1st and goal at the 1/2 yard line.

Watch the highlights on here. How many of those plays do you think would be called in the NFL for leading with the helmet? Most of them?

If some one could get him under control he could be a great player. Or he might just have a screw loose and doesn't really care about winning, just hurting people
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:02 PM

Watch the highlights on here. How many of those plays do you think would be called in the NFL for leading with the helmet? Most of them?


this is actually a really important point

even if Burfict was a boy scout off the field, super respectful to coaches etc. the way he plays is not allowed in the NFL. it's crazy but the NCAA allows alot more contact than the pro game, especially against QB's and especially helmet to helmet. there are many plays in NCAA that draw no flag that would be 15 yard personal fouls in the pros, and probably a 25k fine on top. He can't just rape a QB like in college, he's got to hit him above the knees and below the facemask, it's an adjustment.

Because of the way the rules are changing, and because LB is such an instinctual position (don't really have time to think out there), Burfict's value drops. So he's got 2 weights on his stock: his personal issues and the way he plays.

one other note, he was always the stud on that team so I don't know how much special teams he can play or even if he will be useful in that role. Like Aaron Maybin was mostly useless on specials, Burfict would have to learn that stuff from scratch. A team could draft him in the later rounds, find he can't play specials, and cut him. Unless he's your starting MLB how can he get active?
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:08 PM

Ok, I'll bet anybody here $1000 they don't draft an ILB in the first round.


Agreed. Why drop a 1st rounder on a guy to take up blocks while David Harris makes tackles. What about a freaking safety?
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