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[RutgersJetFan]

Just wanted to say if you want to comment on any post I write I'd appreciate it if you could articulate more than a one word responds.

I was posting from my phone after the Knick game and hit the wrong thread by accident. Relax Slick Rick.

[denden29]

I was posting from my phone after the Knick game and hit the wrong thread by accident. Relax Slick Rick.

At least they won. My Apologies.

[#27TheDominator]

Well if you actually read the post you would understand that since the Jets can’t afford FA they have to use the draft. The different approach is using the draft and not trading picks for higher priced veteran players since they can’t afford their contracts. People have suggested trading for Jonathan Stewart but he becomes a FA in 2013 and cost more than Greene, McKnight and Powell combined. So aren’t you better off drafting a RB instead? In the past the Jets would have made that trade but they can’t now.

Lets look at desperation shall we. Last year the Jets lost Nick Mangold and the offense fell apart why? They had no depth forced to use Colin Baxter who was put in way over his head. Funny the Pats lost their starting center for the whole year and still made the Super Bowl. Now we have Schladeraff, Ducasse (both on the team last year guess they weren't good enough to play, hope they are this year) and Howard as backups. I might close my eyes if D’Brick had to miss a game. The fact is you need #23-53 to contribute as much as #1-22. Injuries happen and you need guys who can step up. Where you going to get these people?

The Jets have huge holes right now they have two safeties they need two more, they need a #2 WR, they need a pass rusher, right tackle and a RB. Then you have lesser needs like TE and CB. Please give me the name of the guys to play these positions who aren’t junk? Rex loves to run cover 1 man free so you need guys to cover man to man sometimes 4 WRs and the Jets don’t have the personal to run the system but of course easily replace just get anyone.

I find it fun people keep saying you can just replace players no problem. The Jets replace Pete Kendal with Adrien Clark a few years ago how did that workout, Clark almost got our QB killed every week. All year long Jets fans complained about Hunter and Smith’s play, were they ever replaced no why? The team had no replacements. By the way they still don’t.

I think a team with 3 slow starting LB’s 32, 32 and 33 might need to start looking for their replacements since they will all be gone in 2013 but you can just get anyone. Three starting o-linemen gone in 2013 and you’re starting RB, just to name some, but anyone will do easily replaced. Of course you don’t have money to get FA so I guess you’ll just find them on the street.

As far as Tebow goes he did not come here to play second fiddle to Sanchez. You think he wants to be a 'wild-cat QB'? He wants to start and there will be controversy all year long about it. If the Jets really wanted to run the wild-cat they would draft a Brad Smith type to come in for 5-8 plays. Tebow is here to replace Sanchez and that’s what the Jets wanted.

I know it was all Sanchez fault the tam was 8-8 last year they didn’t beat a team with a winning record. The defense is slow everyone saw it they gave up plenty of long drives at key moments. The line didn’t protect well at all Sanchez was beaten some weeks. They need some speed and youth do you think Scott is getting faster now a year older. The only place the team can get players is in the draft and Tebow is like a time bomb. Sanchez days as a Jet are over he is in a no win situation.

The Jets should have just given Sanchez another year with as many resources as possible now know one knows how this will work the train wreck aspect is there.

I know a 4^th round pick but just another one bites the dust while every other team is drafting 6-10 players the Jets draft 4-5 now the bill is in it was time to bite the bullet and make boring (winning) football moves but they had to steal headlines again.

Here’s what I think of Sanchez compared to Tebow, I’ll take Sanchez any day 31-22 as a starter (4-2) in the playoffs. And Rutgers fan if you have something to say man up and write something not one word:

2010 Playoffs vs. #1 seed Patriots 14-2 (Sanchez):
28-21 (Win) 16-25 - 64% - 194 yards; 3TD’s 0 INT rating 127.3

2011 Playoffs vs. #1 seed Patriots 13-3 (Tebow):
45-10 (Loss) 9-36 - 36% - 136 yards; 0 TD 0 INT rating 52 (5 rushes 13 yards)

I thought we kind of agreed and were just talking semantics and degrees, but as of now, I think you are T0mShane Jr.

1. I think the team is built by any means necessary. If it's the draft, fine. IF not, so be it. They have EVERY starter returning bar Leonhard who probably still return and Burress. Big whoop. The dispute we have is regarding the generaly talent level. I think they are pretty good. You evidently feel they are DESPERATE!

2. We have to build to be more like the Giants and Pats? Why don't we just give up and wait for a top QB to drop in our laps. Those teams suck on D. SUCK. They are able to survive having sh*tty O lines. Why? They have top level QBs. That's why.

3. Like I said, you may have a point on Tebow. OTOH, if Sanchez can't beat him out, then **** Sanchez. This might be the perfect situation for Sanchez. He has somebody considered an actual threat as a backup, yet the guy actually has worse accuracy and Sanchez SHOULD beat him out easily. If Sanchez is going to mope and whine that Tebow is here and go into a shell, then **** him I'd rather roll with somebody else. The fact is, the kid has had everything handed to him and hasn't lit the world on fire. He is still in a very good position to step up and carry the team. If he doesn't the Jets have given up a 4th rounder for a young player with playoff wins under his belt. I don't see Tebow being a success in the NFL, but he is an upgrade over Drew Stanton AND provides value even as the backup QB. The train wreck aspect is something you see, but it hasn't happened yet. We shall see.

4. Huge holes my a$$. They need two backup safeties! Heavens! How can that be accomplished? They will have to mortgage the future! They need a #2 WR? Maybe. Maybe they will be happy going with Schillens, Kerley and a pick/late cut. I don't see why they need much more at WR. They can slide McKnight, Keller, Cumberland or Baker out there. I was surprised Schottenheimer didn't do that more, but maybe Sparano will. Pass rusher? Why? They did fine with nobody in 2009 and 2010. They added Maybin who was as good a pure pass rusher as anybody and have an offseason to try to make him useful in situations other than 3rd and 8+. They tanked when Mangold went down because the Jets C is the best in the game AND HIS BACKUP WAS HURT. The Pats and Giants survived injuries because they have good QBs. It is possible that Tebow can help there too because during games where the O line can't pass protect they can use him to combat the 8 in a box and pressure. We will see. If I am an OC I am happy to have a guy like Tebow to **** around with, but I might not like the circus. Lesser needs at TE and CB? Why? Replacing Strickland and Cole? Give me a ******* break. Trufant and I was like Um were as good as those guys last year. TE? Ha. A big TE is a need? It's a want, but not a big deal. They can use Olineman there.

In summary: 2 backup safeties, a #4 CB, a non-starting blocking TE, some form of WR and POSSIBLY a starting RT. Other than the RT that is about a cheap a bunch of bodies as there are in the NFL.

We probably agree on what we need/want them to do. I just don't think the sky is falling. I think they are a good team. Yes. I think it is predominantly the fault of Sanchez, though I doubt Tebow would be much better.

Edited by #27TheDominator, 12 April 2012 - 12:52 PM.

[denden29]

I thought we kind of agreed and were just talking semantics and degrees, but as of now, I think you are T0mShane Jr.

1. I think the team is built by any means necessary. If it's the draft, fine. IF not, so be it. They have EVERY starter returning bar Leonhard who probably still return and Burress. Big whoop. The dispute we have is regarding the generaly talent level. I think they are pretty good. You evidently feel they are DESPERATE!

2. We have to build to be more like the Giants and Pats? Why don't we just give up and wait for a top QB to drop in our laps. Those teams suck on D. SUCK. They are able to survive having sh*tty O lines. Why? They have top level QBs. That's why.

3. Like I said, you may have a point on Tebow. OTOH, if Sanchez can't beat him out, then **** Sanchez. This might be the perfect situation for Sanchez. He has somebody considered an actual threat as a backup, yet the guy actually has worse accuracy and Sanchez SHOULD beat him out easily. If Sanchez is going to mope and whine that Tebow is here and go into a shell, then **** him I'd rather roll with somebody else. The fact is, the kid has had everything handed to him and hasn't lit the world on fire. He is still in a very good position to step up and carry the team. If he doesn't the Jets have given up a 4th rounder for a young player with playoff wins under his belt. I don't see Tebow being a success in the NFL, but he is an upgrade over Drew Stanton AND provides value even as the backup QB. The train wreck aspect is something you see, but it hasn't happened yet. We shall see.

4. Huge holes my a$$. They need two backup safeties! Heavens! How can that be accomplished? They will have to mortgage the future! They need a #2 WR? Maybe. Maybe they will be happy going with Schillens, Kerley and a pick/late cut. I don't see why they need much more at WR. They can slide McKnight, Keller, Cumberland or Baker out there. I was surprised Schottenheimer didn't do that more, but maybe Sparano will. Pass rusher? Why? They did fine with nobody in 2009 and 2010. They added Maybin who was as good a pure pass rusher as anybody and have an offseason to try to make him useful in situations other than 3rd and 8+. They tanked when Mangold went down because the Jets C is the best in the game AND HIS BACKUP WAS HURT. The Pats and Giants survived injuries because they have good QBs. It is possible that Tebow can help there too because during games where the O line can't pass protect they can use him to combat the 8 in a box and pressure. We will see. If I am an OC I am happy to have a guy like Tebow to **** around with, but I might not like the circus. Lesser needs at TE and CB? Why? Replacing Strickland and Cole? Give me a ******* break. Trufant and I was like Um were as good as those guys last year. TE? Ha. A big TE is a need? It's a want, but not a big deal. They can use Olineman there.

In summary: 2 backup safeties, a #4 CB, a non-starting blocking TE, some form of WR and POSSIBLY a starting RT. Other than the RT that is about a cheap a bunch of bodies as there are in the NFL.

We probably agree on what we need/want them to do. I just don't think the sky is falling. I think they are a good team. Yes. I think it is predominantly the fault of Sanchez, though I doubt Tebow would be much better.

I agree with you totally on Sanchez. If the Jets want to win the Super Bowl, which we all hope, then Sanchez will have to play better than he did last year. I think the disappointing thing is his playoff numbers are solid but it doesn’t translate to the regular season but we know he can do it. I’m sure Sparano will simplifying the playbook and I liked that Sanchez and Pennington work together as well as Sanchez and Holmes and others are working out together.

Tebow needs to be an accent of Sanchez if they are going to be successful. If this is the case and Tebow brings some dynamic plays to the table and Sanchez is more efficient this can work. Your right good QB play can mask other problems and for Sanchez to grow he’ll need to play most of the time and have resources to be successful, same with Tebow on the resources end. There is a fine line between winning and losing so Tebow can make plays in this regard but Sanchez needs to be the focus if they are going to win it all.

My concern is the possibility of revolving QB’s I think you would agree this would not be ideal. Sanchez will struggle at times all QB’s do I just hope Rex and Co. don’t get an itchy trigger finger and lets him grow. If it is too much in out who should be starting type thing this can snowball real fast and that is worrisome.

Now I don’t think the Jets should be the Pats or Giants but I do think this is a good year to use the draft. We have pointed out positions we’d like to upgrade and I’d like to show you how I’d use the rest of the offseason to fill them which works good for this year and moving forward given limited finances:

Jets Draft: #16 Mark Barron -SS or Dre Kirkpatrick – CB/FS -They can both play safety although Kirkpatrick is a CB who could play FS for now if Barron were already taken

#47 – RB Doug Martin or David Wilson – They are both three down backs can pass protect and have good size and speed. Would compliment Greene and be better than him on 3^rd down especially receiving. Greene is a FA in 2013 one of these guys could replace him.

#77 WR Brian Quick 6’4” 220 – Tall position receiver, Burress only faster, Jets need to get more first downs keep the chains moving and good red-zone target. He also blocks well good for both Sanchez and Tebow.

#77 Alt – Cam Johnson DE/OLB – Was very affective in a 3-4 system in Virginia since everyone wants a pass rusher early I’ll give an alternative.

#154 DE/OLB Tim Fugger or Taylor Thompson – Two legit OLB more of a prospect but a year behind Thomas and/or Pace would help development.

#154 Alt Greg Childs – WR – 6’3’ 220 Again a big target played top competition in the SEC has 4.5-4.6 speed would be a nice pick up if you went with Johnson at #77

#187 – James Hanna – TE 6’4” 252 – Has good measurable ran a 4.5 forty and can block has upside as a receiver a good value here.

#202 – Jordan Bernstine – DB – He is a good kick returner can play any DB spot CB, SS or FS. 99 tackles last year for Iowa.

#203 – Ryan Davis – DE/OLB – Small school pass rush prospect big upside could add some needed LB depth going forward, can never have too many guys who can get to the QB.

#232 – James Cameron – OT – 6’6” 330 played LT at Miss St. for one year before that was a D-lineman. Needs some coaching but is a tremendous athlete maybe a year on the practice squad would help.

#242 – Dale Moss –WR 6’3” 215 – Played only one year of football has good numbers and speed. A good athlete plays on the South Dakota State basketball team as well. Needs work on route running but good potential.

#244 – Jeff Adams – OL – 6’6” 308 - Local guy from Columbia the Jets have worked him out and like what they saw.

Last year the Jets took out Colin Baxter and moved Slauson to center and put in Ducasse this lasted about three plays when they realized Ducasse sucks. The Jets should bring in Vernon Carey he knows Sparano’s system and can play Guard or Tackle and won’t cost much. I’d feel a lot better knowing there is a true veteran backup on the O-line or maybe he could beat out Hunter?

They should sign Jim Leonhard to a vet-min deal put him on the pup list and have him for the second half of the season.

I’d rather see the Jets go with younger players and deal with the growing pains then overpay for has-beens like O.J. Atogwe. The Jets have ten picks this year use them restock the shelves. Of course not all these players will make it but sheer numbers indicate you should get like 5 out of the ten and 7 if you’re really lucky to contribute in some way. This is just an example I obviously don’t know exactly what the Jets are thinking but you get the point, the potential is good here. So while you have starters under contract let the rookies develop. This would be very helpful since there is going to be lots of turnover, even more than most years, with the team over the next year or so. Of course if Sanchez/Tebow/McElroy suck then it won’t matter anyway but the draft is the best way to fill spots for the long run at this point in time.

[#27TheDominator]

I agree with you ...

I am pretty much on board with this post. I snipped it because I don't think it needs to be reposted twice back to back. The only place I disagree is that you seem to be going 100% for need with the draft. While I think they can look to players that will contribute more immediately as opposed to the potential they seem to have been going for, I think a CB to play S may be a bit of a reach. Of course they may like Kirpatrick and he may be worth the pick, but as a rule I don't think there is any specific need that will be that great by draft day. Other than that and not being quite so worried about the damaging the delicate psyche of Sanchez with the Wildcat/Tebow mania. I am pretty much in agreement.

[denden29]

The only place I disagree is that you seem to be going 100% for need with the draft.

You're right, I've been doing lots of mocks and my own criticism is that I tend to focus on need more then BPA. I think the Jets will focus on need in rounds 1-3 though. Maybe take less of a need in rounds 5-7 like a NT; Akiem Hicks or Hebron Fangupo are possible or DE/DT; Tyrone Crawford or J.R. Sweezy possible.

Also I've thought about ILB Jerry Franklin had like 100 tackles last year for Arkansas hopefully he could replace Scott but I feel like I can't take Bellore off the roster unless the pick play specials like he does. The hard part is trying to prioritize everything cause ever time you change someone the whole thing gets shuffled like cards.

There has been lots of analyst who project Kirkpatrick as a good FS but I understand your point, if Barron is there and IMO it's like 60/40 he will be that seems like the way they'll go.

[Jetsfan80]

they paid him 2.5 million in exchange for cap relief and VOIDABLE years

it was covered already, the extension was not what it seemed

Give it up already! another stupid thread UGH!!!

there was no other place to find space. leaving Mark play out this year, they don't even have the cap space to sign Pouha.

If I understand it correctl, they basically hitched their wagon to him. Which is fine. If they believe in him, that's fine, because if he does develop, they will be getting good bang for their buck at the QB position. Right?

Ahem.

[T0mShane]

Bummed I missed a TomShaneJr reference.