bitonti Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Coples had more sacks than any of these characters in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I think the safe pick for Jets was Decastro, will be an ALL-PRo for years, a younger tougher Alan faneca. If coples/hill dont contribute this year, both rex and tanny will be looking for work I'm glad they didn't go for safe. They're taking a shot at greatness here. Who impacts the team more, an all pro DE, or an all pro guard? Seriously? It's not even close. If they miss, they miss. I applaud taking the shot, especially when you consider that their jobs could potentially be on the line there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm glad they didn't go for safe. They're taking a shot at greatness here. Who impacts the team more, an all pro DE, or an all pro guard? Seriously? It's not even close. If they miss, they miss. I applaud taking the shot, especially when you consider that their jobs could potentially be on the line there. well without a legit QB, i say guard is more important for G&P as that is Rexey's mantra for 2012. i dont expect much out of either Coples or hill their rook yr. Decastro would be automatic starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 well without a legit QB, i say guard is more important for G&P as that is Rexey's mantra for 2012. i dont expect much out of either Coples or hill their rook yr. Decastro would be automatic starter If you have a guard and a DE rated about the same, you take the DE. And again, it's not even close. How many guards go in the top half of the draft? DE is a standard top 10 position, with 11 taken in the top 10 in the last ten years. That includes #1 and #2 overall. No guards taken in the top 10 over that period of time, and probably over NFL draft history. The position just simply doesn't have near the value of a DE. To argue otherwise is just silly. And Coples and Hill probably both start this year, so I fail to see how that bolsters your argument, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 If you have a guard and a DE rated about the same, you take the DE. And again, it's not even close. How many guards go in the top half of the draft? DE is a standard top 10 position, with 11 taken in the top 10 in the last ten years. That includes #1 and #2 overall. No guards taken in the top 10 over that period of time, and probably over NFL draft history. The position just simply doesn't have near the value of a DE. To argue otherwise is just silly. And Coples and Hill probably both start this year, so I fail to see how that bolsters your argument, either. Please tell me how many rook WR's start? we have no clue whether coples or hill starts. Decastro would have 100% Steelers have quite the OL now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 The QBs are terrible and there's no reason to think the running game is magically going to reappear. The defense will be awesome, but I don't see how we're significantly better than last season. Considering the drop off in play from the OL and Sanchez stinking up the joint, Greene's thousand yards and 4.2 per carry while adding 30 receptions, isnt really all that bad. He was 40 yards from being top 10 in the league. I think Sparano's system will be better for the run game. The team has had the same sh*tty QB who's gradually improved at a snails pace and has yet to have a losing season with him at the helm. If the guy didnt completely meltdown toward the end of the season, I'm sure the Jets could have improved on their 8-5 record with the WC pretty much in hand and make the playoffs for the 3rd straight season. We may not be significantly better, but I dont see how we are worse. We changed OC's to bring in a system that hopefully matches our style a little better. Power running game, vertical attack. And hopefully, guys like Hunter and Vlad will be better suited for a power blocking scheme rather than the zone sh*t we switched to last season. They addressed the holes of the team via FA and the draft. Its all on Sanchez. If he's 2010 type Sanchez, the teams back in the playoffs. If he actually takes the next step, the teams a serious contender. Not much has changed since 09/10. The only thing that did was a poor finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Out of this group Irvin will get most sacks, his only job will be to rush the passer,speed kills, looks to me like a faster Bob sanders Spot on analysis as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Please tell me how many rook WR's start? we have no clue whether coples or hill starts. Decastro would have 100% Steelers have quite the OL now Steelers OL has been a shambles for years now, good for them. First guard coming off the board at #24 is about right. After the Jets took Coples, three other teams thought a DE was a better value than DeCastro. Think about that for a second. Five DEs drafted before the first guard. That's not unusual, either. That's the norm. Coples has legit competition against DeVito, but probably wins that one - don't you think? Hill's only challenge is getting past Schilens. Kerley's never been in the discussion as a starter. Regardless of what may happen on other teams, Hill is pretty damn close to a lock to start as a rookie WR for the Jets this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Spot on analysis as usual. Seattle is making him a safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 Hill is pretty damn close to a lock to start as a rookie WR for the Jets this year. Be default as by default gets, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Spot on analysis as usual. HEAD ASPLODE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 HEAD ASPLODE What's to asplode about. DE Bruce Irvin has tons in common with glass S Bob Sanders, AND he's faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 What's to asplode about. DE Bruce Irvin has tons in common with glass S Bob Sanders, AND he's faster. I projected him as a defensive Reggie Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I projected him as a defensive Reggie Bush. Not bad not bad. What do you think of Melvin Ingram = Tomlinson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Jones and Ingram will get most chances... have high scoring offense, other teams will be forced to pass more Coples - Jets seem to be planning to sit on ball and limit opportunities, plus as a 3-4 hands in the dirt end, limited opportunities Irvin - Dunno know why, just think he's going to flash immediately Irvin, Ingram, Jones, Coples, imo... This outside of the Irvin part. Ingram is my pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Upshaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 based on current roster, jets fight off phins for 3rd place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 I voted Irvin because I think that's all he'll be asked to do and because the OLs in the NFC West generally suck (Seeith: Aldon Smith). Jones has the toughest sledding because he gets four games against Brick and Jake Long. Don't really see how Coples will rack up numbers, as has been covered many times in this here thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Not bad not bad. What do you think of Melvin Ingram = Tomlinson? More like Ron Dayne AMIRITE?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 More like Ron Dayne AMIRITE?? ITHINKURRITE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I voted Irvin because I think that's all he'll be asked to do and because the OLs in the NFC West generally suck (Seeith: Aldon Smith). Jones has the toughest sledding because he gets four games against Brick and Jake Long. Don't really see how Coples will rack up numbers, as has been covered many times in this here thread. Pretty much this. He's basically going to be Maybin, but allowed to do so for three downs instead of just the one. Part of me thinks he's going to get 10+ sacks, but the other part can't stop seeing Bruce Carter 2.0. I'll say this, if Coples even sniffs double digit sacks, our defense will be top three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Ingram is good but the Chargers don't know how to showcase the talent. That's why when players leave their organization that become superstars. With Rex's Defense Coples will get the upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Ingram is good but the Chargers don't know how to showcase the talent. That's why when players leave their organization that become superstars. With Rex's Defense Coples will get the upper hand. The Chargers don't know how to showcase talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanBe_Tweetin Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The Chargers don't know how to showcase talent? Nick Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Nick Perry. Right over my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanBe_Tweetin Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Right over my head. I'm expecting Von miller numbers from Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Irvin has most sacks, coples has bigger impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The Chargers don't know how to showcase talent? They get great players that do nothing with the team but later go on to other teams to become super stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 your point gilligan is what ? Persecution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 They get great players that do nothing with the team but later go on to other teams to become super stars. Cro is an anomaly, boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 They get great players that do nothing with the team but later go on to other teams to become super stars. ....Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Cro is an anomaly, boo. Sproles on the Saints is scary good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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