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Dunbar Excited to Employ Buddy's 4-6 Front


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#1 flgreen

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:27 AM

Jets defensive line coach Karl Dunbar excited to employ Buddy Ryan's 4-6 front

Published: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:15 AM Updated: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 6:14 AM

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Posted ImageJohn O'Boyle/The Star-LedgerNew defensive line coach Karl Dunbar said he's excited to experiment with veterans like Sione Pouha in the 4-6 defense.

Karl Dunbar thinks he has it pretty good in his new gig as the Jets’ defensive line coach.

He has two first-round picks, a pair of trusty veterans in Sione Pouha and Mike DeVito, and a supporting cast of young linemen with upside. He sees great potential for the Jets to mix up their fronts, moving players into spots where they’ll be most successful and throwing off opponents.

And one iteration that has Dunbar particularly excited? The 46 defense, invented by Buddy Ryan on the successful 1980s Bears teams and carried on by Rex Ryan. Dunbar said the Jets used the formation “a bunch” last year and plan to use it even more — “as much as we can” — in 2012.

“We’re going to play a lot of that 46 defense,” Dunbar said with a grin. “You get in that 46 defense, you’re going to get a lot of one-on-one blocks, and when we put athletic guys on the field, bad things happen for the offense.”

The 46 defense is one variation of a 4-3 front, with four down linemen and eight men in the box.

Dunbar has a long history with it, dating back to his days as a defensive lineman for the Arizona Cardinals from 1994-95, when Buddy Ryan was his head coach and Rex was his position coach.
He can’t wait to coach it here with the Jets, particularly because he feels like it’s a perfect fit for their personnel.

The Jets have used a base 3-4 front under Ryan, but they’ve always mixed and matched schemes and personnel groupings. They have used many calls with four down linemen and many in the 46 defense.

Their selection of Quinton Coples, a defensive end out of North Carolina, 16th overall, may allow them to use even more fronts with four down linemen. Dunbar pointed out that the Jets often used four-down fronts last year, but outside linebackers Calvin Pace and Aaron Maybin were at the ends. Now, Coples can be on the edge, with Pouha, Kenrick Ellis or Muhammad Wilkerson inside, he said.

The objective will be to put players in spots where they can be most successful, and they’ll be “a little mixture of it all.” And Dunbar believes the plan will include a lot of the 46 defense.

“As much as our guys do well in it, you’re going to see it,” said Dunbar, who coached stars like Jared Allen, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams in the past six seasons with the Vikings. “We put in the 46 today, and coach was telling the front we still call it the 46 because of his daddy, and we’re going to play it the way his daddy taught it.”

Dunbar continued to explain: “It’s attack, it’s getting up the field, we’re not holding blocks. Every man for himself, we’re going to get to the quarterback.”

Dunbar explained that the “bear front” associated with the 46 defense gives offenses fits because the offensive linemen have to block defenders one on one, instead of double teaming or zone blocking. Passes come out more quickly as a result, and if the opponent does look to throw deep, Dunbar said the Jets have an advantage because of their two elite cornerbacks.

Dunbar believes Coples is “an awesome fit” for the 46 defense. He said Coples could line up as a “3-technique,” which is over the outside shoulder of the guard, or as a defensive end. He also sees Coples used as a “wide nine,” a pure pass-rushing spot outside the tight end.

When Coples was still on the board in the first round of last month’s draft, Dunbar perked up. Coples’ 6-6, 285-pound frame and 4.7 speed offer a unique skill set, and Dunbar said he didn’t worry about his production dropping from 10 sacks as a junior to 7½ as a senior.

“I don’t see a problem with that,” Dunbar said. “I saw a great athlete, and he’s going to get a chance to show who he is. From the things I’ve seen in the three days of practice and mini-camp we had, I’m loving every minute.”

And he’s loving every minute, too, of coaching the 46 defense he once played nearly two decades ago.

“And it’s still working,” he said. “I think when you’ve got the right pieces of the puzzle in, it’s a great defense.”

Jenny Vrentas: jvrentas@starledger.com; twitter.com/JennyVrentas
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:41 AM

I guess that answers the question, Will the Jets be playing the 3-4 or 4-3. The answer is both. At the same time.

It appears that Coples is going to be the key. Playing inside as a 3 tech, then sometimes jumping out side as a 5 tech, and some times as a traditional 4-3 DE.

It also explains why they are having Maybin bulk up. He will be playing outside a lot when Coples is playing inside in the 3 tech.

I hope the bulk up with Maybin works. I was concerned when I read he was gaining weight. The Bills tried that to make him an every down player. He lost speed and wound up on the Jets as a bust.

Hopefully he will be able to retain his outside blast,
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:16 AM

Jets defensive line coach Karl Dunbar excited to employ Buddy Ryan's 4-6 front




Dear Jenny,

It's 46, as in forty-six, as in Doug Plank's old number. It is always written as "46", and it was not named based on the configuration of the front-7, like the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, which are both sometimes written as 43 and 34. Learn some basic sh*t about football will ya?

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Edited by Optimus Primate, 17 May 2012 - 07:17 AM.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:24 AM

I still can't believe the Jets blew a first on a guy who lost 2.5 sacks between his junior and senior year.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:32 AM

I still can't believe the Jets blew a first on a guy who lost 2.5 sacks between his junior and senior year.


It is offset by the addition of Sparano. He doesn't lose his voice when he yells.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:36 AM

Dear Jenny,

It's 46, as in forty-six, as in Doug Plank's old number. It is always written as "46", and it was not named based on the configuration of the front-7, like the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, which are both sometimes written as 43 and 34. Learn some basic sh*t about football will ya?

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Yeah, I was wondering what happened to the eleventh guy...
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:37 AM

Yeah, I was wondering what happened to the eleventh guy...


4 down linemen.
6 linebackers.
1 Revis.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:40 AM

I still can't believe the Jets blew a first on a guy who lost 2.5 sacks between his junior and senior year.


And I also can't believe how honest he was about giving up after the coach who recruited him was fired and the entire campus was racked with academic scandal.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:40 AM

Dunbar continued to explain: “It’s attack, it’s getting up the field, we’re not holding blocks. Every man for himself, we’re going to get to the quarterback.”

Nuf said
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:41 AM

4 down linemen.
6 linebackers.
1 Revis.


Ahh the 4-6-Holdout. No wonder she left him out.

Edited by Gastineau Lives, 17 May 2012 - 07:44 AM.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:56 AM

Dear Jenny,

It's 46, as in forty-six, as in Doug Plank's old number. It is always written as "46", and it was not named based on the configuration of the front-7, like the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, which are both sometimes written as 43 and 34. Learn some basic sh*t about football will ya?

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Her face is pretty. Nuff said. Back in your cage.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:01 AM

Her face is pretty. Nuff said. Back in your cage.


Google more pictures. Nuff said.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:20 AM

Google more pictures. Nuff said.


Prettier than you, nuff said.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:26 AM

Prettier than you, nuff said.


I'd probably look about the same with long hair. Nuff said.

Listen fat man... just because you can't see your pee-pee doesn't mean you have to act like you are blind.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:31 AM

I'd probably look about the same with long hair. Nuff said.

Listen fat man... just because you can't see your pee-pee doesn't mean you have to act like you are blind.



I can see it when you yawn.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:34 AM

what a thread !

Nuff Said
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:35 AM

Her face is pretty. Nuff said. Back in your cage.


If you have ever seen her in a video with Connor Orr, they look like the Sea Hag, and her pet smurf
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:36 AM

I can see it when you yawn.


First you tell me Vnentas is pretty, now you tell me gay things. Starting to think CTM hijacked your account.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:36 AM

what a thread !

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What's the matter, no platform for you to have one of your incoherent windbag debates on?
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:37 AM

If you have ever seen her in a video with Connor Orr, they look like the Sea Hag, and her pet smurf


This.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:43 AM

What's the matter, no platform for you to have one of your incoherent windbag debates on?


I know you prefer the stupidity to the real debate threads but WTF do you mean no platform ? Ive been saying for weeks that I thought the Jets were leaning more towards a 4-3 and how Im reading Dunbar that seems to be the case. That is if you know the 46 is a base 4-3 defense that I think you going to see a hell of a lot of this coming season.

The only incoherant windbag here is you BTW Monkey Breath Nuff Said
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:50 AM

Dear Jenny,

It's 46, as in forty-six, as in Doug Plank's old number. It is always written as "46", and it was not named based on the configuration of the front-7, like the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, which are both sometimes written as 43 and 34. Learn some basic sh*t about football will ya?

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Google.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 09:06 AM

I know you prefer the stupidity to the real debate threads but WTF do you mean no platform ? Ive been saying for weeks that I thought the Jets were leaning more towards a 4-3 and how Im reading Dunbar that seems to be the case. That is if you know the 46 is a base 4-3 defense that I think you going to see a hell of a lot of this coming season.

The only incoherant windbag here is you BTW Monkey Breath Nuff Said


Actually, I prefer goofing around. Most of your debates ARE plenty stupid, and tireless, and circuitous, and never resolve in anyone being "right", so I don't get typically get involved. Except to watch you act like a baboon.

Once again, there is the thing being discussed... and then there is Smash over in Smashworld making it about himself. You are more Ape than Ape sometimes buddy...

In this case, me and Crusher are debating the validity of his claim that "Vrentas is pretty". Thus, when you said "great thread", I said there is "no platform for you to have one of your windbag debates on" meaning the thread's central debate at the moment is Vrentas, not the same ******* circuitous argument you've been engaged in for a week about 4-3 or 3-4 base defense. If you want to spend the next week re-hashing the same presumptuous bullsh*t you've been blathering about the past week, go ahead. I'm sure there's some people here that would love to watch you chase your tail some more...
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 09:07 AM

Dear Jenny,

It's 46, as in forty-six, as in Doug Plank's old number. It is always written as "46", and it was not named based on the configuration of the front-7, like the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, which are both sometimes written as 43 and 34. Learn some basic sh*t about football will ya?

Warmest regards,

Jets Nation and Football fans everywhere


I thought the same exact thing as soon as I read it, but it looks like it was the dipsh*t editor, not her. As it's correct throughout the article, but wrong in the title and picture captions.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 09:11 AM

Dear Jenny,

It's 46, as in forty-six, as in Doug Plank's old number. It is always written as "46", and it was not named based on the configuration of the front-7, like the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, which are both sometimes written as 43 and 34. Learn some basic sh*t about football will ya?

Warmest regards,

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Thank you monk
btw - anybody ever get the REAL skinny on why Plank was basically bum's rushed out of here a couple years ago? I sat behind Gary Fencik at a Bulls game last year and asked him, knowing he and Dougie were tight, and before he could answer some very hot blonde came up to him and I obviously got trumped. I had thought maybe he threatened bodily harm to Rhodes unless he hit somebody on the field, but they both left at the same time. Always thought he'd be a perfect fit on a Rex staff.
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