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[Integrity28]

We talking about practice. Not the game, practice. Slamming your helmet is one thing...ripping the new WR coach in public, in front of the team, in front of rookies, is bad form and just shows nothing has changed with this jackass.

Considering how the season ended last year, this looks bush. That's all.

Season ended last year with Santonio NOT CARING.

Now Santonio cares to the point of getting pissed, and it's spun to be the same?

Listen when an NFL player can't keep up, he isn't going to say "golly gee coach, I'm sucking wind today" no... he's going to say "DAMMIT COACH WAHH WAHHH WAHHH". Regardless, the coach knows what the outcry is about. Player isn't in shape yet, can't keep up, doesn't want to admit it... pride.

Give me a break with all this. It's a friggin June OTA.

[Matt39]

Season ended last year with Santonio NOT CARING.

Now Santonio cares to the point of getting pissed, and it's spun to be the same?

Listen when an NFL player can't keep up, he isn't going to say "golly gee coach, I'm sucking wind today" no... he's going to say "DAMMIT COACH WAHH WAHHH WAHHH". Regardless, the coach knows what the outcry is about. Player isn't in shape yet, can't keep up, doesn't want to admit it... pride.

Give me a break with all this. It's a friggin June OTA.

Time will tell anyways. I highly doubt Holmes is going to turn into a good teammate though. If he were a star I'd deal. He's a decent WR. Every team in the NFL has a decent WR.

[JiF]

Rex also openly admitted he didn't have the pulse of the team last season because of garbage like this.

Well, he's an awful coach. Duh.

Who cares? You think its the first time any of the guys on this team have seen a teammate pop off on a position coach when it's clear the player is having a bad day at the office?

Sky. Is. Falling.

Have you ever seen the Adrian Peterson film of him at practice battling with the RB coach in Minn? (Eric Bieniemy)

[Integrity28]

it's a maturity level thing. This stuff does matter actually. It isnt an individual sport like baseball....this team sh*t does matter. Holmes is a baby and considering we're still a couple years away from the defense being able to really carry us to a Super Bowl, we'd probably be better off without him as a team.

From all accounts, it was the entire team vs Sanotnio Holmes that didnt get along last season.

Listen. I'm not a Santonio apologist, but the lengths you are going to make something out of nothing is laughable.

I guarantee the standards to which you hold players on a random June afternoon are nowhere near those you hold for yourself.

[Integrity28]

I think it's the throwing of the helmet and yelling a the coaches that makes it a problem. You would think he learned a thing or two from the last time he pulled something like that. It just shows that he is a child. Just like was said by one of the players at the end of last season. If want to spin it that this is a good thing because it means he's competitive so be it. I've never heard of Mangold, Harris, Pace, BT, Brick, Kerley, Moore, Maybin, Cro, Smith (lol) Wilson, Pouha, Wilk, Devito, Slauson, Scott, Green, Connor, Shlauderhaffnagle, or anyone else throwing their helmet to prove how competitive they are. Especially the first practice back after throwing a temper tantrum in a live game where the playoffs were on the line and pouting on the sideline like a....um.... child. Stop defending this turd. We all hope he catches brown balls thrown high in the air to him at the end of a long grassy type field so we can yell YAAAAY! But to make it like Holmes is some sort of warrior because he yelled at the coaches and threw his helmet is ridiculous.

I'm defending common sense and rationality.

You guys want Santonio to stop being a baby, but then... listen to yourselves, because of a bad day of practice, extrapolating this into all sorts of mellowdramatic catastrophe.

[DMaynard]

We got him for a fifth round pick. And we knew he brought baggage. Given what he has already done for the Jets and will continue to do, I'd say he was worth a fifth round pick, drama and all.

[Matt39]

Listen. I'm not a Santonio apologist, but the lengths you are going to make something out of nothing is laughable.

I guarantee the standards to which you hold players on a random June afternoon are nowhere near those you hold for yourself.

I generally never acted like a cry baby to coaches when running receiver routes, no. I've ran routes before, it isnt exactly a taxing exercise. I don't know what that has anything to do with it though.

The only reason it was a story was because of the player. He quit on the field last year. Called out coaches, called out teammates. He's 27-28 years old now....time to grow the **** up.

[Integrity28]

Have you ever seen the Adrian Peterson film of him at practice battling with the RB coach in Minn? (Eric Bieniemy)

Yeah.

Better yet, I played sports - and know athletes.

This is a big pile of nothing. I'm glad he showed up on D1 and had some fire personally, his problem last year was not giving a sh*t.

[GREENBEAN]

I'm defending common sense and rationality.

You guys want Santonio to stop being a baby, but then... listen to yourselves, because of a bad day of practice, extrapolating this into all sorts of mellowdramatic catastrophe.

TO compare a message board to a guy getting paid 10 mil a year to catch a football is silly and you know it. All we are commenting on is the fact that the team impoded last year. Holmes being the main culprit if not at least one of them. His first practice back, he throws his helmet and yells at the new WR coach in front of the whole team. How you can defend this is beyond me.
I will concede that it's only June and it's early, but this speaks volumes as to what we need to get a handle on. This is actually a BIG deal. Much much bigger than how Sporano proposed to his wife. LOL
( that one was just for you)

[GREENBEAN]

Yeah.

Better yet, I played sports - and know athletes.

This is a big pile of nothing. I'm glad he showed up on D1 and had some fire personally, his problem last year was not giving a sh*t.

No. His problem last year was he cried about not getting the ball as much as he would have liked, leagued up with Plax to alienate the QB, and helped to divide the team.

[Integrity28]

I generally never acted like a cry baby to coaches when running receiver routes, no. I've ran routes before, it isnt exactly a taxing exercise. I don't know what that has anything to do with it though. The only reason it was a story was because of the player. He quit on the field last year. Called out coaches, called out teammates. He's 27-28 years old now....time to grow the **** up.

I didn't ask about you running routes, you brought that up, and you are right it doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about. LOL

The comment about holding yourself to the same standards was regarding what you do now - which is obviously not running routes for a living - do you show up for work every day and have a perfect day at the office? Doubtful. Do you expect yourself to? No. sh*t most people give themselves a license to be an a$$hole if they don't have a cup of coffee...

Speaking of growing up... couldn't the case be made that you need to grow up and understand that a tantrum need not be thrown on the internet every time a spoiled, rich athlete doesn't do what you think he should? I mean, it's a relatively childish quality to expect to get what you want, and think the world revolves around your wants and needs... no?

[Matt39]

I didn't ask about you running routes, you brought that up, and you are right it doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about. LOL

The comment about holding yourself to the same standards was regarding what you do now - which is obviously not running routes for a living - do you show up for work every day and have a perfect day at the office? Doubtful. Do you expect yourself to? No. sh*t most people give themselves a license to be an a$$hole if they don't have a cup of coffee...

Speaking of growing up... couldn't the case be made that you need to grow up and understand that a tantrum need not be thrown on the internet every time a spoiled, rich athlete doesn't do what you think he should? I mean, it's a relatively childish quality to expect to get what you want, and think the world revolves around your wants and needs... no?

what the hell are you even talking about. Oh wait, you played sports. You know athletes. Shut the **** up.

Edited by Matt39, 08 June 2012 - 08:46 AM.

[Integrity28]

TO compare a message board to a guy getting paid 10 mil a year to catch a football is silly and you know it. All we are commenting on is the fact that the team impoded last year. Holmes being the main culprit if not at least one of them. His first practice back, he throws his helmet and yells at the new WR coach in front of the whole team. How you can defend this is beyond me. I will concede that it's only June and it's early, but this speaks volumes as to what we need to get a handle on. This is actually a BIG deal. Much much bigger than how Sporano proposed to his wife. LOL ( that one was just for you)

I expect men to act like men. Whether they are on a football field or message board. However, I don't delude myself into thinking that grown men won't act like babies. Which is what most of the guys here do, and what Holmes does.

It's not a BIG deal though. It's a joke it's even being discussed actually... the only slant we have on it is the media and agenda-driven fans drawing the immediate conclusion that it's a sign of last year. It's all in how it gets spun.

Holmes didn't care last year, this outburst shows passion. = Good.

Holmes threw a tantrum, must be a regression to last year. = Bad.

I suggest fans stop tying their emotions to the ebb and flow of spin within the news that drops... because it'll never be favorable. See through it. It's all bullsh*t anyway.

[Integrity28]

what the hell are you even talking about. Oh wait, you played sports. You know athletes. Shut the **** up.

^^^^

Way to stay within the discussion.

Pansy.

[Matt39]

^^^^

Way to stay within the discussion.

Pansy.

^^^^

Way to stay within the discussion.

Pansy.

ok, man.

[Integrity28]

ok, man.

So, in a nutshell, you can't argue your point of view anymore.

[Matt39]

So, in a nutshell, you can't argue your point of view anymore.

Once you turned to the "I played sports, I know" act, the conversation was over.

[GREENBEAN]

I expect men to act like men. Whether they are on a football field or message board. However, I don't delude myself into thinking that grown men won't act like babies. Which is what most of the guys here do, and what Holmes does.

It's not a BIG deal though. It's a joke it's even being discussed actually... the only slant we have on it is the media and agenda-driven fans drawing the immediate conclusion that it's a sign of last year. It's all in how it gets spun.

Holmes didn't care last year, this outburst shows passion. = Good.

Holmes threw a tantrum, must be a regression to last year. = Bad.

I suggest fans stop tying their emotions to the ebb and flow of spin within the news that drops... because it'll never be favorable. See through it. It's all bullsh*t anyway.

You're reaching man. Throwing your helmet and yelling at the new coach does not show passion. It does not now, nor will it ever. It shows an inability to be a man....which is what you expect from men, yet defend when someone you like doesn't act like one.
If this does not get rectified now, it grows. Just like Cancer which is what Holmes is.

[Matt39]

You're reaching man. Throwing your helmet and yelling at the new coach does not show passion. It does not now, nor will it ever. It shows an inability to be a man....which is what you expect from men, yet defend when someone you like doesn't act like one.
If this does not get rectified now, it grows. Just like Cancer which is what Holmes is.

It shows he's an uncoachable baby basically. What else is new. It's hard to win with those guys.

[Integrity28]

You're reaching man. Throwing your helmet and yelling at the new coach does not show passion. It does not now, nor will it ever. It shows an inability to be a man....which is what you expect from men, yet defend when someone you like doesn't act like one.
If this does not get rectified now, it grows. Just like Cancer which is what Holmes is.

On the bold, you've been proven wrong 1000x over... have you ever watched football, baseball? Great players throw tantrums all the time. It happens.

This outburst is being leveraged by people who don't care for Holmes to re-surface their dislikes. I don't even care for Holmes, I just think you guys sound absurd pushing this discussion to the point of sky is falling because he threw his helmet.

I'm not interested in a "Ape is going to change GB and Matt's minds" crusade here. Matt clearly has no position other than he hates Holmes. I don't think the extrapolation of horribleness in this thread is anything less than silly. Really not much more to say about it... I just don't over-react like some of you do.

As for Cancer... Cancer is something that unfairly takes your loved ones form you... Holmes is just a selfish, rich, athlete.