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#1 flgreen

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:09 PM

Offseason Breakdown: New York Jets

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Can Tim Tebow pick up the slack in the Jets’ backfield? (Getty Images)
With NFL training camps just around the corner, we’re taking a team-by-team look at how the offseason played out and what you can expect in 2012. Click here to read them all.
Even when outnumbered by healthy cells, cancer finds a way to grow. Such was the case of the 2011 Jets.

Rex Ryan’s crew entered last season with high expectations, coming off consecutive AFC title game appearances. But something happened along the way to taking that next step. Long-simmering skepticism about Mark Sanchez’s ability and ceiling came to a boil within Sanchez’s own offensive huddle, thanks to a pouty receiver group led by Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress (Derrick Mason added to the drama early, but the team was smart enough to trade him after just five games of discontent; unfortunately they couldn’t trade the top half of the receiver depth chart all at once).

That led to dysfunction in the passing game, which caused more doubt, within the team and outside of it, about Sanchez and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer.

Pair that with an ineffective ground game, and a defense that was still very good, albeit a step back from its dominant past self, and it’s easy to see how the Jets ended up at 8-8. Gone are Burress and Schottenheimer, along with Rex Ryan’s bravado (supposedly), but will the 2012 Jets be any better, or harmonious, this year?

2011 Record: 8-8 (second in AFC East)
Key Additions: QB Tim Tebow, WR Chaz Schilens, S LaRon Landry, S Yeremiah Bell, DL Quinton Coples, WR Stephen Hill, LB Demario Davis
Key Subtractions: RB LaDainian Tomlinson
Team Strengths: DL, CB
Team Weaknesses: RT, WR, RB, LB

Three Things to Watch:
1. What impact will Tim Tebow’s addition have on Mark Sanchez?: Include me in the camp that believes that Sanchez is not as bad as 2011 made him seem. He had a lot working against him last year — the aforementioned diva receivers, an offensive line that wasn’t great (particularly when Nick Mangold was injured) and a run game that offered little support. He also entered last year without two underrated players in the passing game, receivers Jerricho Cotchery and Brad Smith, the latter of whom added another dimension to the offense with his Wildcat skills.

While the team helped Sanchez on that front this year by jettisoning Burress, Holmes inexplicably remains, with no upgrades to the run game or line. And now there’s a whole new problem for Sanchez to worry about in Tim Tebow.

The Jets’ coaches, and Sanchez and Tebow themselves, have said all the right things about the headline-grabbing move. But make no mistake: the Jets brought Tebow in to push Sanchez, Tebow wants to push Sanchez and Sanchez is feeling the heat. And the first time Sanchez one-hops a ball to a receiver at home, or throws a dumb pick, the Jets’ crowd will ratchet that heat up a few degrees.

Some quarterbacks — and people — thrive under pressure. So far in his still young career, Sanchez has proven he’s not one of those quarterbacks. Some have blamed the Jets for that, saying they’ve coddled Sanchez publicly and privately, withholding the tough part of tough love that pushes players to improve. Maybe acquiring Tebow was the first step in the Jets changing that, hoping that the challenge will light a fire under Sanchez and teach him how to play with a bit of grit.

We’ll see if it works.

2. Back to ground-and-pound?: In 2009 and 2010, the Jets made those consecutive AFC championship games on the back of an old, trusty formula: pair a great run game with a great defense, and don’t make too many mistakes in the passing game. In 2009, the team got 2,480 yards from its top four rushers. In 2010, that number was 2,168, still respectable. Last year, it plummeted to 1,571, with Sanchez replacing Smith as the team’s fourth-leading rusher. That, obviously, is not a recipe for success.

But Tony Sparano, a maestro with the run game and a Wildcat aficionado, was brought in to replace Schottenheimer at coordinator, and the company line is a rededication to the ground-and-pound.

But what does he have to work with?
LaDainian Tomlinson is gone, leaving Shonn Greene, Joe McKnight and to a lesser extent Bilal Powell to carry the load in the backfield. Greene had a career year last season, but he was still far from impressive, and doesn’t show what it takes in most aspects of the game to warrant a spot atop a depth chart. McKnight is a valuable rotation guy, and Powell is underwhelming. Neither is going to suddenly turn the Jets’ ground game around. The team may be counting on Tebow to replace Tomlinson’s lost production and what they lacked in losing Smith before last year.

That’s a lot to ask of Tebow, though Sparano will undoubtedly be creative in how he uses him.

Especially with rookie receiver Stephen Hill (who excelled in an option offense in college, just like Tebow) in the fold, there are a lot of ways to disguise how the Jets utilize Tebow’s ability. But counting on him to contribute 700-1,000 yards might be a bit much (especially with the turnstile that is Wayne Hunter returning at RT), and the Jets may need that if they want their run game to be a threat again.

3. How will the linebackers fare?: Like at running back, the Jets needed change at linebacker, and didn’t get much.

On the outside, the Jets managed 35 sacks last year, 17th in the league, and ahead of only five teams that predominantly used a 3-4. Their starters at OLB, Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace, combined for just 4.5 of those (Thomas, actually, had none at all), with former bust and sub pass-rusher Aaron Maybin leading the team with six. That won’t do, but the team didn’t add any pass rushing prowess at that position in the offseason. It’ll again be Thomas and Pace, with Maybin getting sizable snaps as well. First-round pick Quinton Coples will take a break from his typical end duties to stand up on some passing downs, but it remains to be seen how effective he can be playing at an unnatural position, especially for a guy who had questions about his work ethic coming into the draft.

Inside has a slightly better outlook. David Harris is a bonafide thumper, but other starter Bart Scott’s days are numbered, with effectiveness dwindling quickly for the soon-to-be 32-year-old. Still, Ryan and others have raved about Scott’s work so far in camp. The addition of Demario Davis in the draft’s third round will help a lot, as well. Davis is a solid tackler with strong instincts and the ability to make plays on the ball quickly, and he should contribute immediately.

Then there’s the plan to use more four-man fronts this year, something the team has very rarely done in the past. So far, that’s meant Maybin and Pace lining up at end, with Coples and Muhammad Wilkerson playing inside. Doing that puts less pressure on the linebackers to get to the quarterback and takes Scott off the field, with Davis and Thomas flanking Harris. Given the Jets’ personnel, shifting almost fully to a 4-3 might be the wisest move; if Maybin can handle the burden of squaring off against offensive tackles from a three-point stance, it gives the team a more dynamic front while limiting the deficiencies at linebacker.

Outlook: The Jets should be less of a newsy team, with Ryan vowing to rein in his bravado. But two troublesome spots, chemistry wise, still exist in Holmes and the ever-present threat of Tebow hovering over Sanchez’s shoulder. Let’s take the best case scenario and say that the dysfunction is mostly curbed this year; Holmes isn’t the quitter he was last year and Sanchez responds positively to Tebow’s presence.

On paper, this is still a team that is nowhere near as good as its rival from New England and, worse, the Jets appear to have been surpassed by the Bills. It’ll be a battle with Buffalo for second place in the AFC East to start the season, but expect the Bills to pull away and the Jets to again be relegated to somewhere around .500.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 11:00 PM

On paper, this is still a team that is nowhere near as good as its rival from New England and, worse, the Jets appear to have been surpassed by the Bills. It’ll be a battle with Buffalo for second place in the AFC East to start the season, but expect the Bills to pull away and the Jets to again be relegated to somewhere around .500.


When was the last time the Bills beat us, three years ago? GTFO

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 11:13 PM

Seriously. Fuk the nonsense about the Bills pulling away from us. They aren't anywhere near our level. The Patriots are neck and neck with us. I don't fear those scumbags.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 11:14 PM

Makes sense I guess, but maybe their offense finds a groove& the defense plays lights out& they go 11-5 or 10-6. It all depends on the offense, if they could average 20pts a game theyre going places.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:47 AM

Then there’s the plan to use more four-man fronts this year, something the team has very rarely done in the past. So far, that’s meant Maybin and Pace lining up at end, with Coples and Muhammad Wilkerson playing inside. Doing that puts less pressure on the linebackers to get to the quarterback and takes Scott off the field, with Davis and Thomas flanking Harris. Given the Jets’ personnel, shifting almost fully to a 4-3 might be the wisest move; if Maybin can handle the burden of squaring off against offensive tackles from a three-point stance, it gives the team a more dynamic front while limiting the deficiencies at linebacker.


Completely innacurrate.

From what's been reported so far, Coples rarely comes off the DE position, and Pouha rarely comes off the field. The logic behind playing more 4-3 comes from the fact that they have a bounty of DL right now. Ellis and DeVito (who Rex still calls a starter) will see a lot of time inside with Wilk at DE, too.

Maybin will continue to be a part time player, and it remains to be seen who sees more playing time between DeVito and Pace, who I think is also being phased out a little bit.

The DL they describe could be their nickel front, when Scott would be off the field, anyway.

But it's reporting like this that makes me question the entire article, especially it's conclusions.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:05 AM

Completely innacurrate.

From what's been reported so far, Coples rarely comes off the DE position, and Pouha rarely comes off the field. The logic behind playing more 4-3 comes from the fact that they have a bounty of DL right now. Ellis and DeVito (who Rex still calls a starter) will see a lot of time inside with Wilk at DE, too.

Maybin will continue to be a part time player, and it remains to be seen who sees more playing time between DeVito and Pace, who I think is also being phased out a little bit.

The DL they describe could be their nickel front, when Scott would be off the field, anyway.

But it's reporting like this that makes me question the entire article, especially it's conclusions.



There's pretty much nothing as useless as a preseason preview/prediction article.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:35 AM

There's pretty much nothing as useless as a preseason preview/prediction article.


Yeah, especially final standings predictions. Lol! Obviously, the Bills are the sexy choice for big improvement this year. I'll give them this: their star backup QB is better than ours. When Vince Young is named the starter, I'll start getting concerned.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:29 AM

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:08 PM

Seriously. Fuk the nonsense about the Bills pulling away from us. They aren't anywhere near our level. The Patriots are neck and neck with us. I don't fear those scumbags.


:rl:

I just about spit water on my CPU when reading this.

Nothing the Jets did have closed the 5 games.

If Mario Williams continues his stellar play, the Bills D will be better. This means that two game gap could be erased with one victory versus the Jets.


When was the last time the Bills beat us, three years ago? GTFO


You used to say the same thing about the Phins, but they have been splitting with you the last 3 years.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:21 PM

:rl:

I just about spit water on my CPU when reading this.

Nothing the Jets did have closed the 5 games.

If Mario Williams continues his stellar play, the Bills D will be better. This means that two game gap could be erased with one victory versus the Jets.




You used to say the same thing about the Phins, but they have been splitting with you the last 3 years.

Typical Pats fan having no clue what he is talking about. You opened up your pc cover to spit on its CPU? Why would you do that? Dolt.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:04 PM

Typical Pats fan having no clue what he is talking about. You opened up your pc cover to spit on its CPU? Why would you do that? Dolt.


Of course, you cannot refute anything I said. Dolt.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:08 PM

Of course, you cannot refute anything I said. Dolt.


Dunno, I think he got you on the CPU thing. lol
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 08:14 PM

Of course, you cannot refute anything I said. Dolt.

I generally don't agree with the short bus crowd. Generally.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 08:56 AM

Dunno, I think he got you on the CPU thing. lol


By taken what I typed literally? Ok. :face:

It is an expression.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 08:57 AM

I generally don't agree with the short bus crowd. Generally.


Again, you cannot refute what I said.

Nothing the Jets have done has closed the gap.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 09:18 AM

Again, you cannot refute what I said.

Nothing the Jets have done has closed the gap.


Soooooo, the Jets defense gets younger, faster, and stronger, and you say that means nothing? The offense goes back to the principles that led it to two consecutive AFC Championship games, and you say that means nothing? Me thinks you like to live in "Crazy Town," like your Pittsburgh people, perpetuating the delusion that your team will be better - just cause. We'll see how loud you are when the season is 8 games deep this year. I believe Buffalo may be better than the Pats at that point.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 10:00 AM

Soooooo, the Jets defense gets younger, faster, and stronger, and you say that means nothing? The offense goes back to the principles that led it to two consecutive AFC Championship games, and you say that means nothing? Me thinks you like to live in "Crazy Town," like your Pittsburgh people, perpetuating the delusion that your team will be better - just cause. We'll see how loud you are when the season is 8 games deep this year. I believe Buffalo may be better than the Pats at that point.


It seems to me that you are doing the very same thing, only more so. The Pats used FA and the draft to try to shore up their weak spots: defense and receiver. The Bills and Fins did the same thing for their weak areas, albeit they certainly had and have more.

The Jets OTOH did little in FA to fill any of their needs, which were RT, WR, RB, backup QB, and S. The two notable FAs they signed, safeties Landry and Bell, maybe be good against the run but they aren't very good against the pass, especially against NE's big fast TEs. They did nothing about the FS position. Schillens has done nothing in his NFL career so far to suggest he'd make a decent #2 WR. They did sign a backup QB, but traded him away when they spent a fourth round draft pick on Tebow. How exactly does trading for a backup/wildcat QB improve the team?

In the draft, the Jets went heavily for defense, where they were strong, and largely ignored their needs. The WR they picked in the 2nd is primarily a blocker who occasionally caught passes out of a spread option offense. They didn't take a FS candidate until the 6th round, probably NOT the best place to find an immediate starter. They ignored RT altogether, although they did pick up a RB in the 6th or 7th.

So, how do the Jets improve if they didn't add personnel at their weakest positions? Are they counting on their defense holding opponents to less than 2 TDs every game? Are they going to install a college style spread option offense with Tebow and Hill? Is that the plan???

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 10:10 AM

Seriously. Fuk the nonsense about the Bills pulling away from us. They aren't anywhere near our level. The Patriots are neck and neck with us. I don't fear those scumbags.


Right. Other teams don't get better. Only the Jets get better, even when some of their moves don't make any sense like the trade for Tebow.

NE was 13-3. The Jets were a dropped TD pass by Stevie Johnson from being 7-9 and tied with the Bills, so you're already neck and neck with the Bills, and they made major moves to fix their lousy pass defense while the Jets did NOTHING to fix the turnstile they have at RT or the void they have at FS.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 10:44 AM

Again, you cannot refute what I said.

Nothing the Jets have done has closed the gap.

Oh, sorry. I thought this was about taking turns in a conversation. I was waiting for you to respond to my response to your CPU comment.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 10:45 AM

Right. Other teams don't get better. Only the Jets get better, even when some of their moves don't make any sense like the trade for Tebow.

NE was 13-3. The Jets were a dropped TD pass by Stevie Johnson from being 7-9 and tied with the Bills, so you're already neck and neck with the Bills, and they made major moves to fix their lousy pass defense while the Jets did NOTHING to fix the turnstile they have at RT or the void they have at FS.

Can't be neck and neck with a team we beat on a consistent basis. No need to be bitter, little fella... thats just how it is.

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