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[dbatesman]

"Fully healthy" being the operative phrase. Gates is 32, and hasn't been able to stay on the field the last two years. Gonzalez is 36, hasn't had a YAC number over 3.2 since '06, and never once in his career posted the 5.0 YAC number Keller had last season. Gonzalez is a first ballot HoF'er, but there's not a GM in the league who takes him over Keller today.

This is utter lunacy. Keller is terrible and Gonzalez was one of the best TEs in football last season.

[slats]

This is utter lunacy. Keller is terrible and Gonzalez was one of the best TEs in football last season.

Utter lunacy is calling Keller terrible. Gonzalez is on his last legs, and Keller's getting better.

[dbatesman]

Utter lunacy is calling Keller terrible. Gonzalez is on his last legs, and Keller's getting better.

His last legs were still good enough to be 4th in DYAR and 10th in DVOA last season. Keller was 32nd in both, and he's actually getting marginally worse (31st/30th in 2009, 27th/29th in 2010). I don't have the PFF numbers but I'd bet they'll tell you the same story.

[Matt39]

His last legs were still good enough to be 4th in DYAR and 10th in DVOA last season. Keller was 32nd in both, and he's actually getting marginally worse (31st/30th in 2009, 27th/29th in 2010). I don't have the PFF numbers but I'd bet they'll tell you the same story.

Holy crap...32?

I didnt even think he was that bad. Just figured average.

[dbatesman]

Holy crap...32?

I didnt even think he was that bad. Just figured average.

Me too. His catch rate is absolutely abysmal, which in all fairness is partially on Sanchez, but even removing that from the equation probably wouldn't be enough to push him out of the bottom 10.

[Jetsfan80]

Utter lunacy is calling Keller terrible. Gonzalez is on his last legs, and Keller's getting better.

I'll take Gonzalez on his last legs any day, and every GM in the league would agree with me.

[Damaged89]

I think I like Fitzpatrick a little more than you do, and adding Mario Williams certainly puts the Bills in that contender realm. But any team that overpays the Jets trash (Brad Smith) and gets their ass beaten by them (Jets have won 7 of last 8) has to earn the trash-talking priveleges.

Fitzpatrick reminds me of Chad Pennington. I do think he's better than Sanchez but that doesn't mean much.

Williams is good but not 100 million dollars good.

[Jetsfan80]

Williams is good but not 100 million dollars good.

No non-QB is worth that kind of money.

[HDKostempski]

Bad teams dont go to the AFC Championship game 2 years in a row or havent had a losing season in 5 years.

You want to call the Jets average, or slightly above which is more accurate. I'll listen. But all credibility goes out the window when you call a team who competes for or makes the playoffs each year a "bad" team.

Bad teams are teams like the Rams, Dolphags, Browns or Bills. The Jets arent in that category no matter how hard you try.

It's what the team does in the current season that means something, not what it did the season before or the season before that or the season five years ago.

Both the Jets and Colts made the playoffs in 2009 and 2010. Fact.

Did that fact prevent the Colts from imploding in 2011?

Did that fact enable the Jets to make the playoffs in 2011?

The Colts are a crappy team. The Jets have the look of one that could just as crappy. Maybe they won't be, but don't bet more than you can afford to lose on it.

[dbatesman]

The Colts are a crappy team. The Jets have the look of one that could just as crappy.

I'm as big a pessimist as anyone, but get ahold of yourself, brochacho.

[JiF]

It's what the team does in the current season that means something, not what it did the season before or the season before that or the season five years ago.

Both the Jets and Colts made the playoffs in 2009 and 2010. Fact.

Did that fact prevent the Colts from imploding in 2011?

Did that fact enable the Jets to make the playoffs in 2011?

The Colts are a crappy team. The Jets have the look of one that could just as crappy. Maybe they won't be, but don't bet more than you can afford to lose on it.

All credibility, which was extremely little, is completely and utterly out the window. No matter what you post, from this point forward is going to result in the following response:

Derpity Derp Derp De-Derp

Congrats!

[T0mShane]

Can we start talking about Friday's game? If the first team O doesn't average 4+ ypc, I might start panicking.

[dbatesman]

Can we start talking about Friday's game?

[afosomf]

It's what the team does in the current season that means something, not what it did the season before or the season before that or the season five years ago.

Both the Jets and Colts made the playoffs in 2009 and 2010. Fact.

Did that fact prevent the Colts from imploding in 2011?

Did that fact enable the Jets to make the playoffs in 2011?

The Colts are a crappy team. The Jets have the look of one that could just as crappy. Maybe they won't be, but don't bet more than you can afford to lose on it.

the big difference between colts and jets is the chance the colts become great again is very high ,while jets navigate in muddy waters

[RutgersJetFan]

His last legs were still good enough to be 4th in DYAR and 10th in DVOA last season. Keller was 32nd in both, and he's actually getting marginally worse (31st/30th in 2009, 27th/29th in 2010). I don't have the PFF numbers but I'd bet they'll tell you the same story.

Drop percentage has been pretty bad, but an interesting one that they recently tracked was Yards per Route Run and Keller was somewhere in the 16-20 range, (below guys like Daniels or Lewis). The thing I found interesting about that particular metric is that it was an interesting take on the correlation between conventional production and opportunities, and the list was pretty legit. Graham and Gronk were so far ahead of everyone it wasn't even funny, Evan Moore deserved more opportunities (which has been long known), ditto for Finley and Jared Cook.

With Keller, the stat basically inferred that he's not producing nearly what he should be when taking into account the opportunities he's been afforded over the past 3 seasons. While the formula was very basic, (yards/routes), the fact that FO's numbers wholly support some of the interpretations help make it a telling stat, (things like Fred Davis is probably pretty good, Heath Miller is probably overrated...etc).

The thing about Keller is he still produces yards, and from the TE position that's always going to be overvalued in today's league. He's going to get overpaid next offseason and it's not going to be by us. I thought we should have explored trading him before the draft, because the comp pick we're going to get for losing him (probably a 4th) isn't going to be as high as what we could have gotten by a some semi-desperate GM.

[slats]

His last legs were still good enough to be 4th in DYAR and 10th in DVOA last season. Keller was 32nd in both, and he's actually getting marginally worse (31st/30th in 2009, 27th/29th in 2010). I don't have the PFF numbers but I'd bet they'll tell you the same story.

Meh, I don't know. They had to sample a lot of guys with a lot less production than Keller to rank higher in nerd numbers. Keller was 6th in the league in yards, 9th in yards/catch, and 9th in catches among NFL TEs. He's doing something right despite catches passing from Sanchez in Schottenheimer's offense.

[RutgersJetFan]

Meh, I don't know. They had to sample a lot of guys with a lot less production than Keller to rank higher in nerd numbers.

Those aren't sample sets.

[Vicious89x]

It's what the team does in the current season that means something, not what it did the season before or the season before that or the season five years ago.

Both the Jets and Colts made the playoffs in 2009 and 2010. Fact.

Did that fact prevent the Colts from imploding in 2011?

Did that fact enable the Jets to make the playoffs in 2011?

The Colts are a crappy team. The Jets have the look of one that could just as crappy. Maybe they won't be, but don't bet more than you can afford to lose on it.

If the jets lost Sanchez and Tebow our drop-off would not be as steep as losing Manning.

[RutgersJetFan]

If the jets lost Sanchez and Tebow our drop-off would not be as steep as losing Manning.

Dare I say, it might even be an upgrade?

[HDKostempski]

Dare I say, it might even be an upgrade?

McElroy???