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[dbatesman]

For all my bleak cynicism and references to FO and PFF, I've always held out some dim hope that Sanchez could become at least serviceable, especially given our defense. After attending the game tonight, I feel like we'll be lucky to finish .500 this season (and I'm someone who feels our defense will be absolutely beastly). The sad truth is that the advanced stats actually overrate Sanchez. Unless Sparano has some super-secret playbook that he's saving for the regular season, our entire passing offense consists of Sanchez staring down one guy. If said guy comes open, great. If not, Sanchez either a. throws it to him anyway, regardless of how many guys are covering him, or b. continues staring at him until he gets sacked. That's it. All discussions about Wayne Hunter and Shonn Greene and Brian Schottenheimer are pure window-dressing, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Whilst tailgaiting, someone asked me "who starts at QB for the Jets, Week 1, 2013?" This is the defining question of the current age of Jets football, and if someone can give me an answer that doesn't make me want to throw myself off a bridge, I would absolutely love to hear it.

[Lupz27]

For all my bleak cynicism and references to FO and PFF, I've always held out some dim hope that Sanchez could become at least serviceable, especially given our defense. After attending the game tonight, I feel like we'll be lucky to finish .500 this season (and I'm someone who feels our defense will be absolutely beastly). The sad truth is that the advanced stats actually overrate Sanchez. Unless Sparano has some super-secret playbook that he's saving for the regular season, our entire passing offense consists of Sanchez staring down one guy. If said guy comes open, great. If not, Sanchez either a. throws it to him anyway, regardless of how many guys are covering him, or b. continues staring at him until he gets sacked. That's it. All discussions about Wayne Hunter and Shonn Greene and Brian Schottenheimer are pure window-dressing, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Whilst tailgaiting, someone asked me "who starts at QB for the Jets, Week 1, 2013?" This is the defining question of the current age of Jets football, and if someone can give me an answer that doesn't make me want to throw myself off a bridge, I would absolutely love to hear it.

I truly believe if Sparano is still here, either OC, or HC (I believe both are possible) Greg McElroy will be the 2013 opening day starter, and wouldn't be surprised to see him starting sometime this season. So sorry to tell you, but go find that one person who can talk you off the ledge.

[Jetfire]

hopefully its landry jones.

[NJ]

For all my bleak cynicism and references to FO and PFF, I've always held out some dim hope that Sanchez could become at least serviceable, especially given our defense. After attending the game tonight, I feel like we'll be lucky to finish .500 this season (and I'm someone who feels our defense will be absolutely beastly). The sad truth is that the advanced stats actually overrate Sanchez. Unless Sparano has some super-secret playbook that he's saving for the regular season, our entire passing offense consists of Sanchez staring down one guy. If said guy comes open, great. If not, Sanchez either a. throws it to him anyway, regardless of how many guys are covering him, or b. continues staring at him until he gets sacked. That's it. All discussions about Wayne Hunter and Shonn Greene and Brian Schottenheimer are pure window-dressing, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Whilst tailgaiting, someone asked me "who starts at QB for the Jets, Week 1, 2013?" This is the defining question of the current age of Jets football, and if someone can give me an answer that doesn't make me want to throw myself off a bridge, I would absolutely love to hear it.

I agree DB. As much as I'd like to put it off as "it's only pre-season" - we are boned. Even if Sanchez had the presence of mind (or had time) to scan thru 2 or 3 receiving options - none of the current slugs can get open far enough to get a look, let alone a toss. And if the strength of my season depends on the victorious return of Mama Holmes' boy Tone - we're boned.

Edited by NJ, 19 August 2012 - 06:25 AM.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Yea, Wayne Hunter sucks, but don't tell me if either Manning, Rodgers, Bradym Cutler, Ryan or Brees had our Oline they wouldn't still be tearing the league apart. Hell, this would probably one of the best if not the best oline they've played with. Sanchez's inability to read the blitz pre-snap and diagnose the play is an absolute achilles heel and what truly hurts the team. The rough thing is, that our defense is good enough where we'll never have a high enough pick to land the Andrew Luck that can completely turn a franchise around. Gotta give the Colts credit to be terrible for the first time in over a decade at exactly the right year.

[T0mShane]

Dude. Sparano's gonna fix Sanchez just like he fixed Henne. Guy's a sensei.

[Lil Bit Special]

Whilst tailgaiting, someone asked me "who starts at QB for the Jets, Week 1, 2013?" This is the defining question of the current age of Jets football, and if someone can give me an answer that doesn't make me want to throw myself off a bridge, I would absolutely love to hear it.

Colt McCoy or Matt Hasselback.

Also laying a bet down on Brett Favre.

[Kleckineau]

Dude. Sparano's gonna fix Sanchez just like he fixed Henne. Guy's a sensei.

Are you sayin it wasnt Scottenheimers fault after all????
BTW where are all the Schott is ruining Sanchez theorists?
Sanchez bragging about how accurate he was before the pick six made me sick. What a loser statement.
That sealed the deal for me on this guy.
They can start Simms or Kerley for all I care. They may actually be an improvement.

[slats]

Sanchez bragging about how accurate he was before the pick six made me sick. What a loser statement.
That sealed the deal for me on this guy.

Lol! I'm pretty sure there's a significant pile of evidence to demonstrate that your deal was sealed long before that statement.

[T0mShane]

Morning, Bates!

Also,

Adam Schefter: Remember all thiose who blasted Washington for drafting Kirk Cousins? Well, he went 18-of-23 for 264 yards and three TDs last night.

Edited by T0mShane, 19 August 2012 - 08:44 AM.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Our team should just draft a qb every year until one sticks. It's all useless without one.

[BleedGreen314]

Yea, Wayne Hunter sucks, but don't tell me if either Manning, Rodgers, Bradym Cutler, Ryan or Brees had our Oline they wouldn't still be tearing the league apart. Hell, this would probably one of the best if not the best oline they've played with. Sanchez's inability to read the blitz pre-snap and diagnose the play is an absolute achilles heel and what truly hurts the team. The rough thing is, that our defense is good enough where we'll never have a high enough pick to land the Andrew Luck that can completely turn a franchise around. Gotta give the Colts credit to be terrible for the first time in over a decade at exactly the right year.

Totally, completely realistic benchmarks.

[RutgersJetFan]

The game I officially threw in the towel was last year's Giants game. Guy just completely gave up on the field. Not on his teammates or coordinator, he just mentally checked out and looked like a guy that just wanted the season to be over. I saw nothing last night that leads me to believe anything has changed or will change. And it sucks because he's been coached to say and do all the right things on the sideline, like when he was cheering Tebow on and sh*t, or when he says it's his huddle. He looks like a guy that has to work very hard at convincing himself that he wants to be out there. There's an immeasurable stemming from all his lack of experience during his first couple years and being babied too much, and I'm afraid that it's irreversible now. He'll still make those 3-4 throws per game that make you say wow, but I think he's damaged goods at this point.

[Integrity28]

Our team should just draft a qb every year until one sticks. It's all useless without one.

This... and I felt using a 4th this year on Tebow was equivalent to doing this. They also added Simms. So it's not like they didn't do it this year, but every other year they should do it too.

Having nothing behind Sanchez but Brunell and scrubs set us back significantly. Teams ALWAYS need to be procuring QB talent and depth, it is an asset and like roster currency.

I don't want to over-react to preseason too much here, but looking at what Washington and Seattle are doing with QB collecting right now, it just seems right. Have your guy, and have your guy you develop as insurance and/or currency down the road for when you do need a new RT or something.

[Smashmouth]

The game I officially threw in the towel was last year's Giants game. Guy just completely gave up on the field. Not on his teammates or coordinator, he just mentally checked out and looked like a guy that just wanted the season to be over. I saw nothing last night that leads me to believe anything has changed or will change. And it sucks because he's been coached to say and do all the right things on the sideline, like when he was cheering Tebow on and sh*t, or when he says it's his huddle. He looks like a guy that has to work very hard at convincing himself that he wants to be out there. There's an immeasurable stemming from all his lack of experience during his first couple years and being babied too much, and I'm afraid that it's irreversible now. He'll still make those 3-4 throws per game that make you say wow, but I think he's damaged goods at this point.

You may very well be correct about damaged goods. Sometimes thats fixable but its not just him this offense is terrible at every level. The only players on the entire offense I would call consistent and dependable are Nick Mangold and Brandon Moore Im talking consistent week in and week out. Can you name more ?

[dbatesman]

Adam Schefter: Remember all thiose who blasted Washington for drafting Kirk Cousins? Well, he went 18-of-23 for 264 yards and three TDs last night.

[JiF]

Sanchez bragging about how accurate he was before the pick six made me sick. What a loser statement.

That whole interview made me want to punch him the face.

[dbatesman]

Sanchez bragging about how accurate he was before the pick six made me sick. What a loser statement.

[Bugg]

The game I officially threw in the towel was last year's Giants game. Guy just completely gave up on the field. Not on his teammates or coordinator, he just mentally checked out and looked like a guy that just wanted the season to be over. I saw nothing last night that leads me to believe anything has changed or will change. And it sucks because he's been coached to say and do all the right things on the sideline, like when he was cheering Tebow on and sh*t, or when he says it's his huddle. He looks like a guy that has to work very hard at convincing himself that he wants to be out there. There's an immeasurable stemming from all his lack of experience during his first couple years and being babied too much, and I'm afraid that it's irreversible now. He'll still make those 3-4 throws per game that make you say wow, but I think he's damaged goods at this point.

Really thought after Sanchez couldn't lead the Jets on their last drive last Christmas Eve the FO and CS would cut bait. Because starting him this year means the season is pretty much lost.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Totally, completely realistic benchmarks.

Dude, I just named a quarter of the NFL's starting QBs, did I really need to name the other eight or so to make my point?? Bottom line is that it's a quarterback-driven league, if you have one who happens to be in the top third, then all this bullsh*t about a starting RT is the difference between superbowl or not, not the difference between making the playoffs and only winning 6 games. Hunter is bad, really bad, but I've seen the aforementioned QBs play with worse and not skip a beat. Sanchez is just that terrible at anything pre-snap related and avoiding the blitz; I know hunter is dreadful, but we're not having this conversation (to the extent that we are) if one of those other QBs have a Jets' uni on.