you mean the NERDS
i hate people breaking things down with "THIS GUYS MEGA WAR + OPS SQUARED IS 22 POINTS HIGHER THAN THIS GUY" junk
OPS isnt sabermetrics
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 03:31 PM
Sabermetrics is pretty simple though...its really nothing crazy.
RBI's are a team stat. So are runs scored. They shouldnt be valued as heavy as slugging,OBP or OPS. I think that's fairly obvious. Batting average awards singles as much as it does a home run. Clearly a home run is more valuable than a single.
If you dont think base running and defense are important then sure, give it to Cabrera. Trout is that much better than Cabrera though in those categories...the MVP really shouldnt be close...considering how close they are hitting wise.
Trouts OPS- .948
Cabrera OPS - .993
Posted 29 September 2012 - 06:27 PM
OPS isnt sabermetrics
Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:49 AM
The Angels were languishing early in the season without Trout. He helped turn them around to even be in contention.
Posted 30 September 2012 - 09:40 AM
And it probably helped that Pujols started to hit as well.
What about the last two months when Trout has went from a high .300 hitter to a .284 in August to a .255 in September? It is only the playoff push and he has struggled.
Trout has had a phenomenal year, but he is not worthy of MVP when you can make a better argument for Weaver being the MVP.
Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:08 AM
Lets not go from the ridiculous to the sublime here.
Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:35 AM
While his season is not even close to what Verlander did last year when he won, if he is average this year, the Angels are watching the playoff race just like the Sox.
Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:56 PM
Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:24 PM
The statistics clearly show that Trout is more valuable. I won't quote any numbers right now given that I am on my phone and some of you seem allergic to them anyways. Instead, I will summarize what they say.
Cabrera was the best hitter in the AL this year, but Trout was still one of the best. Trout was the best baserunner and the best defensive centerfielder in the AL. Meanwhile, Cabrera was not a very good baserunner or fielder.
Trout had a better season and was the most valuable player in the AL this year.
Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:16 AM
Tss what is it good for, right?
Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:09 AM
I am surprised it has not been discussed.
He did not have the highest fielding percentage, range factor or the obscure DWAR. He was good, but he is not the be all end all of CF fielders.
As I said previously, Trout had a great season and as much as people knocked Cabrera for his D, he finished middle of the pack, like Trout, relative to his position. Seeing Cabrera has not been a fulltime 3B since 2007, he did pretty good.
Plus, Cabrera was more clutch when it mattered most.
Posted 17 November 2012 - 07:01 PM
Trout was 5th among AL outfielders in UZR. None of the 4 players who placed ahead of him played a majority of their time in center. Trout was excellent on defense this year. Cabrera was mediocre at best. And considering that the discussion is about how valuable a player is, I don't think the fact that Cabrera doesn't usually play 3B is very relevant. If he can't play good defense at a position where they need him, then he isn't as valuable.
Also, the clutch argument fails too as Trout had higher WPA and a better Clutch rating than Cabrera. Cabrera's Clutch rating was actually pretty bad.
Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:43 PM
Please explain WPA, WAR and UZR. The nerds have no clear definition.
Have you tried changing positions? Look at A-Gon for the Sox. When they traded Youk and finally took A-GOn out of RF and kept him at 1B, his average got better. And that was RF where you go to hide defensive liabilities. Cabrera was asked to change and he did a good job. Not great, but it is not like he was an abject failure.
Here is what I know, when trailing, Cabrera hit better with RISP and 2 out (.420 vs .286). Simple RISP? Cabrera .356 to .324. Runners On? Cabrera .340 to .306.
All the pro-Trout make it out to be the Angels were not a good team and he led them to cusp of the playoffs. The Angels were supposed to contend. They were supposed to give the Rangers a run for the division title. They started slow and along comes Trout the magical elixir and they started winning it must be him. It also helped the Pujols started hitting. The Angels started playing better.
Edited by WWWWombat, 03 December 2012 - 11:47 PM.
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