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[LionelRichie]

QBs in this draft are meh. I'm sure if Rex and Tanny are here, we'll draft defense.

Needs are thus: QB, TE, WR, OG, OT, OLB, S

That all depends on what happens with our free agents and who gets cut.

Hello Chad Henne.

[neckdemon]

Hello Chad Henne.

forhead vagina would be a significant upgrade over sanchez

[CM28]

So the QBs in the 2013 draft class isn´t the sh*t. And since we have a very expensive Sanchez for one more year (thanks Tanny), the smart thing might be to look in another direction. LB, OL, HB?

But if we a least cover the possible QBs, i think that Collin Klein and Geno Smith are two of the best ones thus far. And my question for you guys is what type of a QB should be the best fit in the Jets. A RG3 type (Klein) or the pocket passer Smith?

I haven´t seen enough of anyone of them as it is not an option for me to see any college games at all. So I am very much interested to get your feedback on the pros and cons for each player. Does Klein have the arm, accuracy, anitcipation etc? I know he can run.

I know for sure I don´t want Matt Barkley.

EDIT. Please take into consideration that Klein will cost us a lot less.

Edited by CM28, 02 December 2012 - 08:54 AM.

[CrazyCarl40]

Hello Chad Henne.

[afosomf]

continue to draft ACC players that formula seems to work well mon

[LionelRichie]

Awful as it sounds, Henne is a significant upgrade to Sanchez and his 2 turnovers and 1 missed TD pass per game.

I would be comfortable going into training camp next season with Henne or Alex Smith / Sanchez / Tyler Bray

Even though Sanchez has a guaranteed contract for '13 I think there is a chance that a shrewd GM could come to some type of buyout agreement and to let Sanchez go early in the off-season.

[neckdemon]

Awful as it sounds, Henne is a significant upgrade to Sanchez and his 2 turnovers and 1 missed TD pass per game.

I would be comfortable going into training camp next season with Henne or Alex Smith / Sanchez / Tyler Bray

Even though Sanchez has a guaranteed contract for '13 I think there is a chance that a shrewd GM could come to some type of buyout agreement and to let Sanchez go early in the off-season.

i think we are stuck with sanchez next year. whether or not he is starting is one thing, but he will be on th eteam most likely. his cap hit if he is cut/traded is too big. i think the best way for us to improve is to upgrade the o-line and get a big time running back. 2014 we can dump sanchez.

[LionelRichie]

i think we are stuck with sanchez next year. whether or not he is starting is one thing, but he will be on th eteam most likely. his cap hit if he is cut/traded is too big. i think the best way for us to improve is to upgrade the o-line and get a big time running back. 2014 we can dump sanchez.

You aren't thinking creatively enough.

If I was the Jets new GM the first meeting I have is with Sanchez and his agent. I would tell Sanchez that he has 2 choices:

1 - get released immediately with a $1M buyout and a chance to start for another team (arizona maybe?)

2 - get his guaranteed salary for 2013 with a promise to run the scout team and be inactive on gameday all season with no chance to see the field.

If Mark has any pride at all he would jump at option #1. He already has plenty of Woody's money so I think the Jets can weasel out of Tanny's mess.

Edited by LionelRichie, 02 December 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[slats]

QBs in this draft are meh. I'm sure if Rex and Tanny are here, we'll draft defense.

Needs are thus: QB, TE, WR, OG, OT, OLB, S

That all depends on what happens with our free agents and who gets cut.

RB is a massive need. But after QB, OLB is probably need #2.

i completely don't agree with the idea that our offense is sh*t so don't bother upgrading any of it unless we can get a qb first. and for lupz.....in that very very specific and totally unlikely scenario where there is a defensive player that is far and away the only player that should be considered because he is so freaking outstanding that no one else left on the board compares (strange how he would have fallen to us in this case, but for the sake of argument i'll play along) then we should trade back and pick up some more picks since we could use as many as we can get....and since this player is so ****ing great everyone will be dying to give us their picks to buy the chance to draft this guy.

I like trading down, but that requires a trade partner. They're not always available.

All cases have to be judged on a case by case basis. If there's really a stud there -at any position- you gotta take him regardless. The BAP way is the best way to build a football team.

You aren't thinking creatively enough.

If I was the Jets new GM the first meeting I have is with Sanchez and his agent. I would tell Sanchez that he has 2 choices:

1 - get released immediately with a $1M buyout and a chance to start for another team (arizona maybe?)

2 - get his guaranteed salary for 2013 with a promise to run the scout team and be inactive on gameday all season with no chance to see the field.

If Mark has any pride at all he would jump at option #1. He already has plenty of Woody's money so I think the Jets can weasel out of Tanny's mess.

Mark has $8.25M guaranteed coming to him in 2013, he's not giving that up for $1M and what would certainly be an incentive based contract on a new team. He's just not. The reality is that he could see his stock go up after a year on the bench, particularly if the Jets offense continues to blow. And if it doesn't, he'll have another $8.25M to hold him over.

The only way for the Jets to get away from Sanchez would be for them to eat a significant amount of that guaranteed money in a trade. Then the impediment becomes Tanny's pride - if he's still here.

[BroadwayJoe12]

So the QBs in the 2013 draft class isn´t the sh*t. And since we have a very expensive Sanchez for one more year (thanks Tanny), the smart thing might be to look in another direction. LB, OL, HB?

But if we a least cover the possible QBs, i think that Collin Klein and Geno Smith are two of the best ones thus far. And my question for you guys is what type of a QB should be the best fit in the Jets. A RG3 type (Klein) or the pocket passer Smith?

I haven´t seen enough of anyone of them as it is not an option for me to see any college games at all. So I am very much interested to get your feedback on the pros and cons for each player. Does Klein have the arm, accuracy, anitcipation etc? I know he can run.

I know for sure I don´t want Matt Barkley.

EDIT. Please take into consideration that Klein will cost us a lot less.

Tim Tebow thinks Klein's throwing motion is messed up; there's probably about a dozen QBs coming out that you'd rather have over him. Unless we have the option to get Geno Smith, i think going OLB with our top pick is the best value. Quarterback and elite pass-risher are the two most important positions in the NFL right now and we have neither.

I definitely think the team needs to look at QB at some point in the draft; if they don't like the value in the first then look for guys like Mike Glennon (my favorite), Landry Jones, Tyler Brae or an EJ Manuel in the later rounds. I think they need to at least address it with one of the picks.

[neckdemon]

You aren't thinking creatively enough.

If I was the Jets new GM the first meeting I have is with Sanchez and his agent. I would tell Sanchez that he has 2 choices:

1 - get released immediately with a $1M buyout and a chance to start for another team (arizona maybe?)

2 - get his guaranteed salary for 2013 with a promise to run the scout team and be inactive on gameday all season with no chance to see the field.

If Mark has any pride at all he would jump at option #1. He already has plenty of Woody's money so I think the Jets can weasel out of Tanny's mess.

releasing sanchez will make him count an extra 4.3 million against the cap. not sure if the buyout would count against the cap also but if it did thats extra. our cap is already very very bad and extra 4.3 million against it will be crippling. as it is our gm is gonna have to find ways to create enough cap room for us to even be viable next year. sanchez is with us next year like it or not, imo

[neckdemon]

I like trading down, but that requires a trade partner. They're not always available.

All cases have to be judged on a case by case basis. If there's really a stud there -at any position- you gotta take him regardless. The BAP way is the best way to build a football team.

if there is a BAP that is head and shoulders above anyone else that will be left in the draft that there is no other player to consider besides him then the trading partners would be there.......they would likely be bidding against eachother for the right to draft this guy. this would actually be an awesome position for the jets to be in......i hope it happens but it wont

Edited by neckdemon, 02 December 2012 - 11:41 AM.

[slats]

if there is a BAP that is head and shoulders above anyone else that will be left in the draft that there is no other player to consider besides him then the trading partners would be there.......they would likely be bidding against eachother for the right to draft this guy. this would actually be an awesome position for the jets to be in......i hope it happens but it wont

There's not a stud at any position on the football field that wouldn't be a major boost to this Jets team. Those rare players are worth the extra second rounder you might get back in a deal. The Jets lack depth, and extra picks would certainly be helpful, but they lack impact players, too. Impact players are more important than depth. As bad as the offense has been, a stud OLB would be an awesome pick for the Jets in the first round. But as deep as the Jets DL is, you can't pass on the next Ngata or Wilfork, either, just because offense is the bigger "need."

This isn't to say that if someone's offering you a Herschel Walker deal, you shouldn't take it. Of course you should. But I wouldn't trade out of the "stud range" of the draft without it being a blockbuster deal.

[SenorGato]

DaMontre Moore/Jarvis Jones please.

Jonathan Cooper or some other top OL propsect.

Dion Jordan as a developmental DE/OLB prospect please.

Edited by SenorGato, 02 December 2012 - 12:13 PM.

[LionelRichie]

RB is a massive need. But after QB, OLB is probably need #2.



I like trading down, but that requires a trade partner. They're not always available.

All cases have to be judged on a case by case basis. If there's really a stud there -at any position- you gotta take him regardless. The BAP way is the best way to build a football team.



Mark has $8.25M guaranteed coming to him in 2013, he's not giving that up for $1M and what would certainly be an incentive based contract on a new team. He's just not. The reality is that he could see his stock go up after a year on the bench, particularly if the Jets offense continues to blow. And if it doesn't, he'll have another $8.25M to hold him over.

The only way for the Jets to get away from Sanchez would be for them to eat a significant amount of that guaranteed money in a trade. Then the impediment becomes Tanny's pride - if he's still here.

Lavarr Arrington walked away from guaranteed money and actually paid back some of his signing bonus to walk away from the Redskins.

Sanchez has plenty of Woody's money and sitting on the bench for full season will NOT help his standing and ability to secure a free agent contract. At best it would get him a "show me" year. There just aren't that many open starting QB jobs in the NFL, I think mark would be a good fit in Arizona and I think the Jets can figure out a way to get him there.

[CrazyCarl40]

Sanchez is here next year. So is Tebow. At best they might draft someone to hold a clipboard for next season and be inactive.

After watching last night I want no part of Jarvis Jones. We need a 3 down playmaker at OLB. Not a pass rush specialist. Dude is overrated.

[bitonti]

You aren't thinking creatively enough.

If I was the Jets new GM the first meeting I have is with Sanchez and his agent. I would tell Sanchez that he has 2 choices:

1 - get released immediately with a $1M buyout and a chance to start for another team (arizona maybe?)

2 - get his guaranteed salary for 2013 with a promise to run the scout team and be inactive on gameday all season with no chance to see the field.

If Mark has any pride at all he would jump at option #1. He already has plenty of Woody's money so I think the Jets can weasel out of Tanny's mess.

this is wishful thinking. and it's a bluff. The Jets wouldn't pay 10mil to a scout team Qb. and mark won't take 1 mil when he can do nothing and get 10. He's here for another year, deal with it. also, Arizona has their own QB with a contract. Unless you want to have Kevin Kolb for Mark Sanchez trade.

Edited by bitonti, 02 December 2012 - 12:40 PM.

[slats]

Lavarr Arrington walked away from guaranteed money and actually paid back some of his signing bonus to walk away from the Redskins.

Sanchez has plenty of Woody's money and sitting on the bench for full season will NOT help his standing and ability to secure a free agent contract. At best it would get him a "show me" year. There just aren't that many open starting QB jobs in the NFL, I think mark would be a good fit in Arizona and I think the Jets can figure out a way to get him there.

Arrington paid $4.4M for his freedom, and signed a seven year, $49M contract shortly thereafter. You're suggesting that Sanchez would give up more money, with nothing even remotely close to that kind of deal available to him anywhere. There's absolutely no way he accepts anything along those lines.

The only way to get him out would be to trade him and pay the bulk of that guaranteed salary.

[bitonti]

After watching last night I want no part of Jarvis Jones. We need a 3 down playmaker at OLB. Not a pass rush specialist. Dude is overrated.

The Jets aren't gonna be picking top 5. a game like last night allows a guy like JOnes to possibly fall. Btw you want a 3 down LB that guy is Calvin pace. you can take a Jarvis Jones and by year 4 he's a 3 down guy maybe. but there are no 3 down 3-4 OLB in the draft, ever. These players are developed over time.

[CrazyCarl40]

The Jets aren't gonna be picking top 5. a game like last night allows a guy like JOnes to possibly fall. Btw you want a 3 down LB that guy is Calvin pace. you can take a Jarvis Jones and by year 4 he's a 3 down guy maybe. but there are no 3 down 3-4 OLB in the draft, ever. These players are developed over time.

He was just soooo bad against the run. He couldn't get off a block at all. I'm sure we could address OLB in the 2nd and develop someone there.