BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'm with you DBates. I'm just poking a little fun. Sometimes it gets tough to find the positives. Our run d has been bad. So reading that PFF says we have good grades against the run---it's just joke fodder. and i like jokes. thats all it is really. Mo Wilk is decent and hopefully will be better. But jokes about replacement windows are hard to come by. so I take the opportunities when I see them. You're a good sport and a good poster. Don't take my silly jabs personally. Just being a wise-ass as usual. My only issue is that I constantly confused you with lancemehl and for a long time it was a serious mindf*ck seeing posts bounce from logical and coherent to rambling. I figured typical jets fan mood-swings, we all have em, but it really was throwing me thinking it was the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I didn't say anything about sacks; Wilkerson actually carries a negative grade against the pass. But he's been a force against the run since the middle of last season or so, and the PFF numbers say he's second only to Watt in that department this year. You can take issue with PFF's charting system and you can certainly argue whether or not Wilkerson's production to this point has been worth the 30th overall pick, but...well, that's what the numbers say. FWIW DeVito and Coples both carry a high grade against the run as well. Our run defense is bad partially because Pouha is hurt and Ellis is a kid but mainly because our linebackers are ungodly terrible. I actually think for the run grading its one of those things where I would probably combine the PFF stats with those of FO. I think the two factors to look at are the stuff type plays (which is why Wilkerson grades where he does on PFF) but also yards being gained in his direction. For Wilkerson its more or less average in that category, but you look at Arizona and they give up nothing on Calais Campbells side of the field yet he ranks lower than Mo. Something has to cause that besides Calvin Pace sucking. For DeVito his side has issues against the run. Some of that is in the middle which is supposed to be Harris spot to fill but those two go hand in hand. On one of those big Foster runs DeVito got tossed aside like nothing and Harris apparently thought the guard was the ball carrier. Harris' instincts have gotten so bad. I have never seen a MLB get contacted by a blocker on almost every single play. Its like he is a sitting target. Anyway Wilkerson is going to be an ok player but I dont think he really has developed this year. He was fine last year and the same this year. I still think he has Shaun Ellis upside in terms of being a do it all lunchpail guy, but they are going to need Coples to turn into something to make Wilkersons inability to rush the passer not so noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I like DeMario Davis. I think he's a diamond in the rough. I don't think Rex will be around long enough to see him bear fruit...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'm with you DBates. I'm just poking a little fun. Sometimes it gets tough to find the positives. Our run d has been bad. So reading that PFF says we have good grades against the run---it's just joke fodder. and i like jokes. thats all it is really. Mo Wilk is decent and hopefully will be better. But jokes about replacement windows are hard to come by. so I take the opportunities when I see them. You're a good sport and a good poster. Don't take my silly jabs personally. Just being a wise-ass as usual. HOW DARE YOU My only issue is that I constantly confused you with lancemehl and for a long time it was a serious mindf*ck seeing posts bounce from logical and coherent to rambling. I figured typical jets fan mood-swings, we all have em, but it really was throwing me thinking it was the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'm with you DBates. I'm just poking a little fun. Sometimes it gets tough to find the positives. Our run d has been bad. So reading that PFF says we have good grades against the run---it's just joke fodder. and i like jokes. thats all it is really. Mo Wilk is decent and hopefully will be better. But jokes about replacement windows are hard to come by. so I take the opportunities when I see them. You're a good sport and a good poster. Don't take my silly jabs personally. Just being a wise-ass as usual. I just got out of school, which means I've spent the better part of the last decade living up my own ass, so anytime someone disagrees with me, even as a joke, it goes a little something like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I actually think for the run grading its one of those things where I would probably combine the PFF stats with those of FO. I think the two factors to look at are the stuff type plays (which is why Wilkerson grades where he does on PFF) but also yards being gained in his direction. For Wilkerson its more or less average in that category, but you look at Arizona and they give up nothing on Calais Campbells side of the field yet he ranks lower than Mo. Something has to cause that besides Calvin Pace sucking. For DeVito his side has issues against the run. Some of that is in the middle which is supposed to be Harris spot to fill but those two go hand in hand. On one of those big Foster runs DeVito got tossed aside like nothing and Harris apparently thought the guard was the ball carrier. Harris' instincts have gotten so bad. I have never seen a MLB get contacted by a blocker on almost every single play. Its like he is a sitting target. Anyway Wilkerson is going to be an ok player but I dont think he really has developed this year. He was fine last year and the same this year. I still think he has Shaun Ellis upside in terms of being a do it all lunchpail guy, but they are going to need Coples to turn into something to make Wilkersons inability to rush the passer not so noticeable. Anyone at least a little concerned that Coples has shown next to nothing through five games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Anyone at least a little concerned that Coples has shown next to nothing through five games? raises hand, looks like a stiff and a bad fit for this D, he aint Vern so Jet fans can hang their hat on that. ACC Def players tend to Suk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Anyone at least a little concerned that Coples has shown next to nothing through five games? He was getting doubled a lot Monday. Jets played a lot of zone and 3-man pass rush. Whatever they were doing with him in the pre-season, they need to go back to...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Anyone at least a little concerned that Coples has shown next to nothing through five games? I think he's looked ok. He hasn't played a ton of snaps, but he's got a couple TFLs (PFF likes him against the run too). Doesn't seem to get pushed around, but for as long as his arms are it looks like he has a lot of trouble getting off blocks, and his only move to speak of at this point is a straight bull-rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I think he's looked ok. He hasn't played a ton of snaps, but he's got a couple TFLs (PFF likes him against the run too). Doesn't seem to get pushed around, but for as long as his arms are it looks like he has a lot of trouble getting off blocks, and his only move to speak of at this point is a straight bull-rush. I wonder how much of that is coaching. They were the ones suggesting that Maybin use nothing but the speed rush last year and were successful. Dunbar is new, so I hope they are letting them loose, but so far it sure hasn't looked like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Anyone at least a little concerned that Coples has shown next to nothing through five games? It doesnt bother me too much yet because he barely got any chances to play until the last two games. You would like to see more in the pass rush. Right now he grades worse than Calvin Pace which is pretty bad, though I guess Id have to pay more attention to what the line formations are that he is rushing from to say if its that bad. I think one concern is that he looks like a bit of a project and given his reputation Im not sure that he is willing to put in the work to get "coached up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It doesnt bother me too much yet because he barely got any chances to play until the last two games. You would like to see more in the pass rush. Right now he grades worse than Calvin Pace which is pretty bad, though I guess Id have to pay more attention to what the line formations are that he is rushing from to say if its that bad. I think one concern is that he looks like a bit of a project and given his reputation Im not sure that he is willing to put in the work to get "coached up" Big Difference playing against ACC OL then against starting NFL lineman. Doesnt Look like he will be a stud pass russer, best you can hope for is he becomes a Sean Ellis type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Actually, Lowery was far and away his best value pick. *blank stares into nothing* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 1 16 Quinton Coples DE North Carolina 2 43 Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech 3 77 Demario Davis LB Arkansas State 6 187 Josh Bush DB Wake Forest 6 202 Terrance Ganaway RB Baylor 6 203 Robert T. Griffin G Baylor 7 242 Antonio Allen SS South Carolina 7 244 Jordan White WR Western Michigan 2011 - New York Jets RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL 1 30 Muhammad Wilkerson DT Temple 3 94 Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton 4 126 Bilal Powell RB Louisville 5 153 Jeremy Kerley WR Texas Christian 7 208 Greg McElroy QB Alabama 7 227 Scotty McKnight WR Colorado 2010 - New York Jets RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL 1 29 Kyle Wilson CB Boise State 2 61 Vladimir Ducasse T Massachusetts 4 112 Joe McKnight RB USC 5 139 John Conner RB Kentucky 2009 - New York Jets RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL 1 5 Mark Sanchez QB USC 3 65 Shonn Greene RB Iowa 6 193 Matt Slauson G Nebraska 2008 - New York Jets RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL 1 6 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State 1 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue 4 113 Dwight Lowery CB San Jose State 5 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee 6 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas 7 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas Wow--this IS suckful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The jury is still out on Coples, but I like him and see promise...Wilk is good, Kerley keeps getting better, Kenrick looks the part, Shonn Greene always flashes, Bilal is playing better now, Slauson was a steal and starts for us, thats pretty good on average for drafting late do to our past winning seasons. The downfall is that Sanchez, Ducasse, and Kyle Wilson are pure garbage at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I like guys that get to the QB. Now the Jets have 0.0 guys who do that. Is Maybin still on the team? I haven't seen or heard from him ONCE this season! BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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