HessStation Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Ok, I'll admit it, I'm sick of talking about this years team already. Too soon for this? Oh well. I need hope. Is there any? First off, The Jets have approximately $140M in cap dollars with an estimated $121M cap for 2013. So here are my cuts with cap savings: If Cut: Calvin Pace, Save $8.5M Bart Scott, Save $7.1M Sione Pouha, Save $4M Eric Smith, Save $3M Jason Smith, Save $12M Santonio Holmes, Save $1.2M Tim Tebow, Save $1.5M Total Cap Savings: $38M (about) Estimated 2013 Jets Cap Value with Cuts: $102M Estimated NFL 2013 Salarary Cap: $121M So...Estimated Cap Space with cuts above: $19M Roster Under Contract: Offense: This is obviously where a majority of the cap $ and draft picks needs to be spent. Essentially no RT, LG, RG, TE, WR depth and QB issues. QB: McElroy, Sanchez WR: Hill, Kerley, Gates RB: Powell, Mcknight, Grimes Connor TE: Reuland, Baker OT: D'Brick OG: Ducasse, Schlauderaff OC: Mangold Defense: resigning Landry and filling holes at OLB and adding depth is a must DE: Wilkerson, Coples DT: Ellis, Harrison ILB: Harris, Davis OLB: McIntyre, Bellore CB: Revis, Cromartie, Wilson, Lankster, Berry S: Bush P: Malone All in all the roster would be thin with little depth and only $19M in cap space given the cuts above...however without any cuts (and/or trades) the Jets will be an estimated $20M over cap, so get ready for a lot of these players either getting cut or renegotiating their contracts. Players who could/will be asked to possibly renegotiate: Sanchez, $13M Cap value (or $4.3M against the cap if cut...still might be worth it) Harris, $13M Cap value ($4M saved if cut) Cromartie, $10M Cap value D'Brick, $10M Cap value Mangold, $9M Cap Value source: Jason's site nyjetscap.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Harris is a goner if the Jets can find a taker for him. His contract is one of the worst ever for this franchise and he's been absolutely awful this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 So Holmes is going to be around another year at least? And Mark... chances are slim to none that we cut him right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 please cut bryan thomas as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 please cut bryan thomas as well i think he only has a 1 year contract for 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Harris is a goner if the Jets can find a taker for him. His contract is one of the worst ever for this franchise and he's been absolutely awful this year. agreed. and the problem is every one of their impact players is payed like a superstar. They have no bargains unless some of these draft picks can step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 No way they cut Holmes to save a mere $1.2 when they are so thin at WR. No way. And if you think about it, our WR group is not that bad when healthy. Holmes, Hill and Kerley are a solid if unimpressive group. Draft and develop a #4 with a mid-round pick. Cumberland showed me a lot last night. Worst comes to worst, he can take over for Keller. But him and Keller together would be a nice 1/2 punch if we can re-sign Keller at a somewhat deflated price due to the injury and such. RB is where we have the biggest weakness, and a bit on the o-line. Also re-sign Landry if healthy, and Bell, both of them won't cost much. I see our draft panning out like this: #1: RB/RT/LG/OLB (best available of the 4) #2: Same #3: Same #4: Same or WR #5: Same or WR #6: Same or WR #7: Same or WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Is there light at end of tunnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Is there light at end of tunnel? i was hoping to paint a more optimistic picture but it turned out bleak. They're essentially 20M over the cap with no starting LG, RG, RT, TE, RB, S on the roster for starters. Not to mention the same duds at LB, prior to any cuts, trades or renegotiating. Plus Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 i was hoping to paint a more optimistic picture but it turned out bleak. They're essentially 20M over the cap with no starting LG, RG, RT, TE, RB, S on the roster for starters. Not to mention the same duds at LB, prior to any cuts, trades or renegotiating. tanny is good at this though. Despite everyone hating him, and his choice in players.. guy knows how to move the money around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 i was hoping to paint a more optimistic picture but it turned out bleak. They're essentially 20M over the cap with no starting LG, RG, RT, TE, RB, S on the roster for starters. Not to mention the same duds at LB, prior to any cuts, trades or renegotiating. Plus Sanchez. Great, now I sick of talking about next years team already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Great, now I sick of talking about next years team already. LOL I tried. I really did. *cuts self* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 This looks like it needs to be at best a 3, probably 4 year plan. They need to be patient and do this the right way for once. Don't let selling tickets come before eventually winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 i was hoping to paint a more optimistic picture but it turned out bleak. They're essentially 20M over the cap with no starting LG, RG, RT, TE, RB, S on the roster for starters. Not to mention the same duds at LB, prior to any cuts, trades or renegotiating. Plus Sanchez. Weird. It's almost as if mike T borrowed from tomorrow to pay for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Harris is a goner if the Jets can find a taker for him. His contract is one of the worst ever for this franchise and he's been absolutely awful this year. It's maddening. The moves we've made in the last 18 months are like an object lesson in the hidden costs of poor drafting and sh*tty quarterbacking. We're bad where you can't afford to be bad (QB, WR, pass rush) so we hand huge contracts to positions where smart teams save money (both ILBs, #2 CB, backup QB). The roster's a complete cluster**** and the worst part is, I have zero faith in the ability of the current group to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 It's maddening. The moves we've made in the last 18 months are like an object lesson in the hidden costs of poor drafting and sh*tty quarterbacking. We're bad where you can't afford to be bad (QB, WR, pass rush) so we hand huge contracts to positions where smart teams save money (both ILBs, #2 CB, backup QB). The roster's a complete cluster**** and the worst part is, I have zero faith in the ability of the current group to fix it. That "huge" contract for Cromartie is looking good right about now. And Tebow doesn't have a huge contract. Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 That "huge" contract for Cromartie is looking good right about now. And Tebow doesn't have a huge contract. Get real. What position does Uncle Mike play in softball? Or do you guys just stick with frisbee and horseshoes at the family BBQs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 This looks like it needs to be at best a 3, probably 4 year plan. They need to be patient and do this the right way for once. Don't let selling tickets come before eventually winning. Plan wander in the desert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 lol @ the title of this post. But you need to check Woody allen's financial situation, judgements, tax issues and sh*t. Apparently (as the story goes) we're 9 million under the cap this year. I'm sure the exact reasons why are overblown a little by the media, but 9 million UNDER?? Think about (well, IF we had someone doing this stuff but....) an extra 9 million spent in the offseason? What did Landry cost? 3-5? I dont know but it wasn't nine. THAT was our major splash. The NEW YORK Jets! The PSL, toughest ticket in the NFL Jets? I remember Wheel of fortune at the end you would spend your money, they would be split screen buying sh*t that was laying there with the big prices on it. lol (Like 500 dollars for a walkman or some sh*t lol) They would go until there was Nothing left they could afford and they'd always put the rest on a gift certifcate or roll it over. lol But that's what the **** we should be doing! My bad. I'm just saying? In fairyland, there would be some standard set that potential owners have to meet besides meet for golf....to really prove they had the will and the capability and the know how or any one of the above at least, damn. They should have to answer a couple trivia questions about the sport....something. But that's fantasyland. Alright. take it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Ok, I'll admit it, I'm sick of talking about this years team already. Too soon for this? Oh well. I need hope. Is there any? First off, The Jets have approximately $140M in cap dollars with an estimated $121M cap for 2013. So here are my cuts with cap savings: If Cut: Calvin Pace, Save $8.5M Bart Scott, Save $7.1M Sione Pouha, Save $4M Eric Smith, Save $3M Jason Smith, Save $12M Santonio Holmes, Save $1.2M Tim Tebow, Save $1.5M Total Cap Savings: $38M (about) Estimated 2013 Jets Cap Value with Cuts: $102M Estimated NFL 2013 Salarary Cap: $121M So...Estimated Cap Space with cuts above: $19M Roster Under Contract: Offense: This is obviously where a majority of the cap $ and draft picks needs to be spent. Essentially no RT, LG, RG, TE, WR depth and QB issues. QB: McElroy, Sanchez WR: Hill, Kerley, Gates RB: Powell, Mcknight, Grimes Connor TE: Reuland, Baker OT: D'Brick OG: Ducasse, Schlauderaff OC: Mangold Defense: resigning Landry and filling holes at OLB and adding depth is a must DE: Wilkerson, Coples DT: Ellis, Harrison ILB: Harris, Davis OLB: McIntyre, Bellore CB: Revis, Cromartie, Wilson, Lankster, Berry S: Bush P: Malone All in all the roster would be thin with little depth and only $19M in cap space given the cuts above...however without any cuts (and/or trades) the Jets will be an estimated $20M over cap, so get ready for a lot of these players either getting cut or renegotiating their contracts. Players who could/will be asked to possibly renegotiate: Sanchez, $13M Cap value (or $4.3M against the cap if cut...still might be worth it) Harris, $13M Cap value ($4M saved if cut) Cromartie, $10M Cap value D'Brick, $10M Cap value Mangold, $9M Cap Value source: Jason's site nyjetscap.com Hess station: 1. You have to save $5M to sign your rookie draft class, so subtract $5M from your $19M 2. Holmes and Tebow aren't going anywhere next year, since the owner wants Tebow here, and the team has next to no WR as it is. Holmes is taking up $12M in cap space next year whether you cut him or not, so why cut him over $1M? Makes no sense. His deal is designed for him to be on the team next year. Same with Sanchez ($4.3M hit) So you really only have about $12M, enough to resign some guys that are here, or to fill holes with similar talent. Jets have 19 FA at the end of the year, so don't expect to bring in a team of great talent for $12M..... Revis' new deal should give you a chunk of cap space next season, IF you commit to him long-term, which is very questionable. Same thing with restructuring Cromartie, should get you some space. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Jerod Mayo 2013 Cap Value: $5.6M; 5 year (extension) for 48.5M with 25M guaranteed David Harris 2013 Cap Value: $13M; 4 year 36M with 30M guaranteed ...the guaranteed money is interesting. Although Mayo's cap value skyrockets in 2015, 2016 and 2017 to around $10M although the Pats recoup almost 100% of that in space in 2016 and 2017, if cut. Logan Mankins signed a 6 year, $51M with $30M guaranteed Nick Mangold signed a 7 year (extension) $54M with $22M guaranteed (however renegotiated again in 2011, I think for an added roster bonus) Next added value between the two they spit by position whereas added dollars goes to: Vince Wilfork 2013 Cap $10M; 5 year 40M with 24M guaranteed Darrelle Revis 2013 Cap $9M; 7 year 55M with 27M guaranteed But this is where things change between the two imo. In just looking at 2013 contracts the Jets have all these other players making the same big, superstar money: Holmes: 12.5M Pace: 11.5M Cro: 12M D'Brick: 10.5M Scott 8.6M The Pats on the other hand: Lloyd: 4.5M Hernandez: 4M every other player is $3M or lower The pink elephant in the room is of course: Brady 2013 cap value: 21M Sanchez 2013 cap value: 13M Hate to compare the two but thought it was somewhat interesting. Moral of the story I guess is Quarterbacks rule the NFL. duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Somebody do the 2014 cap. We're already ****ed next year also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Hess station: 1. You have to save $5M to sign your rookie draft class, so subtract $5M from your $19M 2. Holmes and Tebow aren't going anywhere next year, since the owner wants Tebow here, and the team has next to no WR as it is. Holmes is taking up $12M in cap space next year whether you cut him or not, so why cut him over $1M? Makes no sense. His deal is designed for him to be on the team next year. Same with Sanchez ($4.3M hit) So you really only have about $12M, enough to resign some guys that are here, or to fill holes with similar talent. Jets have 19 FA at the end of the year, so don't expect to bring in a team of great talent for $12M..... Revis' new deal should give you a chunk of cap space next season, IF you commit to him long-term, which is very questionable. Same thing with restructuring Cromartie, should get you some space. BD I agree with Holmes and Tebow not going anywhere, realistically. I could argue it only cost the Jets 3.5M to sign the rookies but they only actually have 4 on the roster. My personal thoughts on cutting Holmes is essentially cutting your loses and taking the hit next year relieving yourself of thugturd in the future... in essentially what would be...a rebuilding year. But I agree with you. You have to believe this is probably how Tannenbaum keeps his job....when the whole offseason revolves around renegotiating half the roster's contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boblivius Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 This looks like it needs to be at best a 3, probably 4 year plan. They need to be patient and do this the right way for once. Don't let selling tickets come before eventually winning. You also need someone who knows talent. Tanny isn't the answer. No doubt that he's a good numbers guy, but we need a top talent evaluator as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Im not going to go crazy with the 2013 cap yet, even though Im really negative on the teams prospects. At 2-3 its too early to bail and start picking apart 2013. Come November if the team is still bad Ill try to get something together going over things. That being said I dont think its a guarantee the cap even remains flat next season. The league and union had to come to some agreement over that this past year (they are locked into the player cost being equal but with benefits rising the cap goes down) to keep it flat and then the union went lawsuit happy over cap penalties and suspensions. I dont think the league will necessarily play ball with them this year on the issue especially since more than a few teams have amassed big cap space to roll into next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 You also need someone who knows talent. Tanny isn't the answer. No doubt that he's a good numbers guy, but we need a top talent evaluator as GM. We still got Bradway in the personnel department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Cumberland showed me a lot last night. honest question that last int that bounced off his hands, is that on Sanchez for throwing high? I think Cumby has to get that. It did hit him in the hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The pink elephant in the room is of course: Brady 2013 cap value: 21M Sanchez 2013 cap value: 13M Hate to compare the two but thought it was somewhat interesting. Moral of the story I guess is Quarterbacks rule the NFL. duh. yup, pretty much in another thread someone posted 5 years of draft picks by Tanny it's the Sanchez pick that matters the most to whether this team wins or loses. 2nd place isn't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanBe_Tebowing Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 No way they cut Holmes to save a mere $1.2 when they are so thin at WR. No way. And if you think about it, our WR group is not that bad when healthy. Holmes, Hill and Kerley are a solid if unimpressive group. Draft and develop a #4 with a mid-round pick. Cumberland showed me a lot last night. Worst comes to worst, he can take over for Keller. But him and Keller together would be a nice 1/2 punch if we can re-sign Keller at a somewhat deflated price due to the injury and such. RB is where we have the biggest weakness, and a bit on the o-line. Also re-sign Landry if healthy, and Bell, both of them won't cost much. I see our draft panning out like this: #1: RB/RT/LG/OLB (best available of the 4) #2: Same #3: Same #4: Same or WR #5: Same or WR #6: Same or WR #7: Same or WR So we could save 1.2 mil if we cut Holmes....? since when??? why not?? TANNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Holmes. Harris and D Brick have to go. Even Sanchez if he does not prove anything the rest of season. But its not going to happen because Woody would not want high prices paying fans to wait for a season. So what we have a situation which needs either a stroke of genius. some tough negotiating and atleast 2 very strong drafts or a Knicks like debacle will ensue that went on for a decade plus where the team from one season to another is not much improved, but good money is being spent on players that are paid way too much and the team performs around or below mediocrity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 honest question that last int that bounced off his hands, is that on Sanchez for throwing high? I think Cumby has to get that. It did hit him in the hands. He does need to catch that ball. But it was also high and behind him without there being any need for the ball being placed there. It was on both of them imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 With the right FO in place, 2013 will not look that bleak. Of course, Tanny would not be part of the right FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 honest question that last int that bounced off his hands, is that on Sanchez for throwing high? I think Cumby has to get that. It did hit him in the hands. In the NFL you have to make that catch! Now i did not get to see the defensive personnel on that play but what i was wondering was JJWatts in the line of that throw ? That may explain the high throw. Or Sanchez just sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 honest question that last int that bounced off his hands, is that on Sanchez for throwing high? I think Cumby has to get that. It did hit him in the hands. Eric Allen interviewed him on NYJets.com (The TE seems to have about 50 words in his vocabulary), and he basically said the ball was there as soon as he was out of his break (a little sooner than he expected), and he thought it's a ball he should catch, because he's "a great athlete" Whatever. It was a 20 yard pass. Was the pass perfect? No. Are pro TEs supposed to catch that? Yes. The pass was good enough to hit you in both hands. Be good enough to catch it...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 With the right FO in place, 2013 will not look that bleak. Of course, Tanny would not be part of the right FO. Football. Men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.05f3dc52804d5fd84cf09ccfcd7bd10b.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.