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[Scott Dierking]

The question with regard to Rex is if another coach would do better with these players. I don't see any reason to believe they would. Kind of like how replacing Schotty netted us 0. We need to change the players and the guy acquiring them.

I really would not mind someone that does not have an antiquated view of how a football team should be coached and is able to have his staff "coach up" players.

Rex needs to go. Regardless how quippy he is in press conferences. he brings zero as a coach

[Jetsfan80]

Mangini got another job.
Herm got another job.
Rex will always be able to get a job.

Difference is Rex will get a COACHING job. As much as I'd love to see Rex as an analyst, he'll be scooped up as a DC in less than an instant. Herm and Mangini are still waiting for the phone to ring.

[Jetsfan80]

I really would not mind someone that does not have an antiquated view of how a football team should be coached and is able to have his staff "coach up" players.

Rex needs to go. Regardless how quippy he is in press conferences. he brings zero as a coach

Really? Zero? Your arguments are trending retarded on this guy.

[jetsjetsjetss]

I really would not mind someone that does not have an antiquated view of how a football team should be coached and is able to have his staff "coach up" players.

Rex needs to go. Regardless how quippy he is in press conferences. he brings zero as a coach

he didnt change our entire culture? Didnt bring a somewhat elite or atleast competitive defense every year? Hasnt had more success then most jets coaches?

BTW: i was hoping this thread was about the yankees

Edited by jetsjetsjetss, 19 October 2012 - 07:56 AM.

[Scott Dierking]

Really? Zero? Your arguments are trending retarded on this guy.

You ignored my earlier request to name a unit on the squad that has improved under Rex's brilliance. I am waiting.

[Scott Dierking]

Difference is Rex will get a COACHING job. As much as I'd love to see Rex as an analyst, he'll be scooped up as a DC in less than an instant. Herm and Mangini are still waiting for the phone to ring.

Both Herm and Mangini got coaching jobs after they left the Jets. It was after they left the following clubs they were left out in the cold.

[Bugg]

I really would not mind someone that does not have an antiquated view of how a football team should be coached and is able to have his staff "coach up" players.

Rex needs to go. Regardless how quippy he is in press conferences. he brings zero as a coach

The bluster and BS are really not all that important.

What is important-Rex Ryan does not develop talent. Not any where on eiather side of the ball. Further "ground and pound" is in fact antiquated nonsense.He might as well be selling beepers in fornt of an Apple store. The rules beg you to pass. And when you can pass effectively you move the ball quickly and don't need to worry about something going wrong on a 15-play 7-1st down drive. Ryan is somewhere between hostile and indifferent about making his offense barely competent. And that brings you back to talent not improving.

[Scott Dierking]

The bluster and BS are really not all that important.

What is important-Rex Ryan does not develop talent. Not any where on eiather side of the ball. Further "ground and pound" is in fact antiquated nonsense.He might as well be selling beepers in fornt of an Apple store. The rules beg you to pass. And when you can pass effectively you move the ball quickly and don't need to worry about something going wrong on a 15-play 7-1st down drive. Ryan is somewhere between hostile and indifferent about making his offense barely competent. And that brings you back to talent not improving.

He is either stupidly stubborn, or unable to adapt.

Either of those qualities are bad for a coach

[Jetsfan80]

You ignored my earlier request to name a unit on the squad that has improved under Rex's brilliance. I am waiting.

No I did not. Read again.

[Scott Dierking]

No I did not. Read again.

Either your answer is 0, or it is not in this thread. I do not see it

[Jetsfan80]

He is either stupidly stubborn, or unable to adapt.

He realized he needed a strong personality at OC and hired Tony Sparano.

He realized that the team needed to get faster and geared towards stopping the pass rather than the run. Hence why he drafted Wilkerson, Coples, Davis, and attempted to turn Maybin into an everydown guy.

He realized that the lockerroom needed a shift and disposed of captains and was fully on board with bringing in Tebow.

He realized he needed to stop guaranteeing Super Bowls.

In what way has Rex shown he is unwilling to adapt?

[Jetsfan80]

Either your answer is 0, or it is not in this thread. I do not see it

I answered it in another thread. I'll link you.

[Scott Dierking]

He realized he needed a strong personality at OC and hired Tony Sparano.

He realized that the team needed to get faster and geared towards stopping the pass rather than the run. Hence why he drafted Wilkerson, Coples, Davis, and attempted to turn Maybin into an everydown guy.

He realized that the lockerroom needed a shift and disposed of captains and was fully on board with bringing in Tebow.

He realized he needed to stop guaranteeing Super Bowls.

In what way has Rex shown he is unwilling to adapt?

Ok, adapting with success then is a problem

[Jetsfan80]

Either your answer is 0, or it is not in this thread. I do not see it

http://forums.jetnat...40#entry2149008

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You can't grow much from "elite", which this defense has been every single season. But if you want to talk growth, look at our CB's. Cromartie and Kyle Wilson are SIGNIFICANTLY improved over the last 3 seasons. We haven't missed Revis at all the last 2 weeks. Our D-Line has been superb and the young guys we've brought in look legit so far. Sure, the LB's have taken several steps back, but that's due to roster decay (Tannenbaum), not lack of development.

[Scott Dierking]

http://forums.jetnat...40#entry2149008

I would hardly say our D-Line has been "superb".

We will see how much the Jets miss Revis this week, I fear. Catching the Texans on a night when they could jam the ball down the throat on teh run at will, and facing a rookie qb on theroad is much different than facing Brady.

[Jetsfan80]

The bluster and BS are really not all that important.

What is important-Rex Ryan does not develop talent. Not any where on eiather side of the ball. Further "ground and pound" is in fact antiquated nonsense.He might as well be selling beepers in fornt of an Apple store. The rules beg you to pass. And when you can pass effectively you move the ball quickly and don't need to worry about something going wrong on a 15-play 7-1st down drive. Ryan is somewhere between hostile and indifferent about making his offense barely competent. And that brings you back to talent not improving.

So Rex being on board with bringing in Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, LT (one of the best receiving backs of all-time) and reluctantly, Stephen Hill mean Rex is "hostile or indifferent" to the offense? Bullsh**.

Rex's ONLY failure on the offensive side of the ball is going all in on Mark Sanchez. Rex more than anyone knows what a franchise QB can do (see his praise on Peyton and Brady) and Sanchez isn't the guy. Unfortunately, you can't just give up so easily on such an investment, so the team has tried unsuccessfully to build around him.

Either he sucks at coaching offense (not unusual for a HC if you look around the league at defense-minded HC's) or most of his failures fall are on Sanchez/Tannenbaum. Or a little of both. This idea that Rex doesn't care about offense is nonsense.

Edited by Jetsfan80, 19 October 2012 - 08:23 AM.

[Jetsfan80]

I would hardly say our D-Line has been "superb".

We will see how much the Jets miss Revis this week, I fear. Catching the Texans on a night when they could jam the ball down the throat on teh run at will, and facing a rookie qb on theroad is much different than facing Brady.

I think we'd be in major trouble @ NE even with Revis. I trust Cro can handle Lloyd and Wilson will do reasonably well against Welker. The problem is the 2 TE's. While we've gotten moderately better at covering TE's this season, we're still 24th in the league against them. Hopefully our safeties are up for the task but I doubt it.

Edited by Jetsfan80, 19 October 2012 - 08:22 AM.

[slats]

Mangini got another job.
Herm got another job.
Rex will always be able to get a job.

Rex is a legitimate defensive coordinator, and one of the best in the league. Herm was a clown and Mangini was a headmistress.

You ignored my earlier request to name a unit on the squad that has improved under Rex's brilliance. I am waiting.

The Jets passing defense was near the bottom of the league (#29) when Rex took over the team, and in his first season the Jets were ranked #1 in that category (as well as #1 in total defense). They've remained a top unit in that regard during his entire tenure including this season, in which he's lost Revis, where the Jets currently rank #6. The man knows defense. People talk about this being a passing league in regards to our less-than-stellar offense, but its a passing league when the defense is on the field, too, and in that category Rex clearly excels.

Also, I don't buy the idea that Rex doesn't want to throw the football. What options does he have in that regard? He talks up the ground & pound largely because that's his best option. And he's toned that down as that option has declined. But he let Schottenheimer try to open it up with Sanchez, and we've seen Sparano throw the ball a lot in the opener - until Sanchez fell back to earth hard.

The real decline on this team is personnel. That's supposed to be Tannenbaum's job. People talk about his ability to find cap room, but he created his own need to find it by having Sanchez, Holmes, Harris, Scott, and Pace making up a full 25% of his cap allotment. Trading picks, overpaying free agents, and drafting poorly in general. That's the major problem on this team.

If the Jets were to unload Rex, he'll be able to wave off coordinator offers while he waits for another head coaching job - if he so chooses.

[Jetsfan80]

Rex is a legitimate defensive coordinator, and one of the best in the league. Herm was a clown and Mangini was a headmistress.



The Jets passing defense was near the bottom of the league (#29) when Rex took over the team, and in his first season the Jets were ranked #1 in that category (as well as #1 in total defense). They've remained a top unit in that regard during his entire tenure including this season, in which he's lost Revis, where the Jets currently rank #6. The man knows defense. People talk about this being a passing league in regards to our less-than-stellar offense, but its a passing league when the defense is on the field, too, and in that category Rex clearly excels.

Also, I don't buy the idea that Rex doesn't want to throw the football. What options does he have in that regard? He talks up the ground & pound largely because that's his best option. And he's toned that down as that option has declined. But he let Schottenheimer try to open it up with Sanchez, and we've seen Sparano throw the ball a lot in the opener - until Sanchez fell back to earth hard.

The real decline on this team is personnel. That's supposed to be Tannenbaum's job. People talk about his ability to find cap room, but he created his own need to find it by having Sanchez, Holmes, Harris, Scott, and Pace making up a full 25% of his cap allotment. Trading picks, overpaying free agents, and drafting poorly in general. That's the major problem on this team.

If the Jets were to unload Rex, he'll be able to wave off coordinator offers while he waits for another head coaching job - if he so chooses.

Spot. On.

POTW nom?

[JiF]

Rex is a legitimate defensive coordinator, and one of the best in the league. Herm was a clown and Mangini was a headmistress.



The Jets passing defense was near the bottom of the league (#29) when Rex took over the team, and in his first season the Jets were ranked #1 in that category (as well as #1 in total defense). They've remained a top unit in that regard during his entire tenure including this season, in which he's lost Revis, where the Jets currently rank #6. The man knows defense. People talk about this being a passing league in regards to our less-than-stellar offense, but its a passing league when the defense is on the field, too, and in that category Rex clearly excels.

Also, I don't buy the idea that Rex doesn't want to throw the football. What options does he have in that regard? He talks up the ground & pound largely because that's his best option. And he's toned that down as that option has declined. But he let Schottenheimer try to open it up with Sanchez, and we've seen Sparano throw the ball a lot in the opener - until Sanchez fell back to earth hard.

The real decline on this team is personnel. That's supposed to be Tannenbaum's job. People talk about his ability to find cap room, but he created his own need to find it by having Sanchez, Holmes, Harris, Scott, and Pace making up a full 25% of his cap allotment. Trading picks, overpaying free agents, and drafting poorly in general. That's the major problem on this team.

If the Jets were to unload Rex, he'll be able to wave off coordinator offers while he waits for another head coaching job - if he so chooses.

Great post.

If guys like Romeo Crennell, Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards, just to name a few, get 2nd chances as a HC, you can bet your bottom dollar so will Rex Ryan. Especially if its a team dying for an identity and some coverage from the media making them some what relevant just based on his personality.

Contrary to popular belief around these parts, never having a losing season, winning 4 playoff games and getting to back to back AFCG's in the first 3 years of your HC'ing career despite having horrific QB play, is viewed as success around the league. Under Rex, he's coached the best defense and the best running game in the league. The NFL knows this. Only fans with an agenda dont think those are resume builders that will land you another job.

Edited by JiF, 19 October 2012 - 08:59 AM.