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[Smashmouth]

Since I think Sanchez's contract status likely means he will be the starter through at least next year I am rooting for him to succeed (as my happiness level on Sunday is attached directly to this.) However, if he plays poorly I will be critical of his performance.

I actually felt bad for Sanchez on Sunday because other than two backbreaking plays, he had a very good game. Its just we need to not see those backbreaking plays. They need to stop. They are beyond old at this point.

I agree the biggest problem Sanchez has is protecting the football. Interceptions happen but not getting rid of the football and fumbling as much as Mark Does trying to extend plays is just really poor judgement on his part. Rather than trying to constantly back out of pressure he needs to roll out more to extend plays and possibly even run a bit more as well

[jetsjetsjetss]

math doesnt really add up. Improvements in some areas slips in others. Id call that a no correlation

[The Crusher]

Since I think Sanchez's contract status likely means he will be the starter through at least next year I am rooting for him to succeed (as my happiness level on Sunday is attached directly to this.) However, if he plays poorly I will be critical of his performance.

I actually felt bad for Sanchez on Sunday because other than two backbreaking plays, he had a very good game. Its just we need to not see those backbreaking plays. They need to stop. They are beyond old at this point.

LOL

[Bleedin Green]

The problem you have is anything that shows a positive effect on Sanchez is not worth discussing. Now hear me out...

If the Jets dump Holmes (if in any way possible) in the offseason and bring in a guy like Greg Jennings (possible Free Agent) to go with Kerly and Stephen Hill and add a Solid RB in the draft this team would improve ten fold on Offense. If at that point Sanchez can not perform up to expectations then we move him and draft a QB in the 2014 Draft. At the very least the new QB coming in will have some talent around him to work with and grow with Since Kerley and Hill are very young and seem to have promising futures and Jennings would bring stability.

Since Sanchez is already guaranteed the money for next year this is the only scenario that makes any sense. But Unlike the Jets the Packers are not stupid and they will probably not let Aaron Rodgers best Receiver just move on without a fight. If its a true money issue, they may have to let Jennings go because they do have some holes that need to be Addressed and they can probably bring in a Rookie Receiver and be just fine with Rodgers at QB and an already very established offense.

Even if they go with that plan, there's absolutely no way the Jets can justify waiting another year to draft a QB. They already should have drafted one this past year and they absolutely have to draft one this coming year, even if it's just to sit him while Sanchez gets the start at the beginning of the season. You can't sit here and wait until you've finally cut your last QB to go and draft the next one, starting this process all over with a rookie at QB once again. With that kind of logic, we'll be sitting around while people like you want to give the new guy his 5 years to prove himself, even if he sucks. The Jets need to keep continually looking, and cannot stop, until they've found their answer. Giving the same one guy a chance over and over again with no competition or alternatives when there's little to no evidence that he'll ever be the answer is not going to get you anywhere.

[JohnnyHector]

there's absolutely no way the Jets can justify waiting another year to draft a QB. They already should have drafted one this past year and they absolutely have to draft one this coming year, even if it's just to sit him while Sanchez gets the start at the beginning of the season. You can't sit here and wait until you've finally cut your last QB to go and draft the next one, starting this process all over with a rookie at QB once again.

And predictably, if he struggles, Smash will be complaining that said rookie QB was thrown to the lions and didn't have the proper coaching to succeed.

[Smashmouth]

Even if they go with that plan, there's absolutely no way the Jets can justify waiting another year to draft a QB. They already should have drafted one this past year and they absolutely have to draft one this coming year, even if it's just to sit him while Sanchez gets the start at the beginning of the season. You can't sit here and wait until you've finally cut your last QB to go and draft the next one, starting this process all over with a rookie at QB once again. With that kind of logic, we'll be sitting around while people like you want to give the new guy his 5 years to prove himself, even if he sucks. The Jets need to keep continually looking, and cannot stop, until they've found their answer. Giving the same one guy a chance over and over again with no competition or alternatives when there's little to no evidence that he'll ever be the answer is not going to get you anywhere.

And predictably, if he struggles, Smash will be complaining that said rookie QB was thrown to the lions and didn't have the proper coaching to succeed.

Wrong. Sanchez is fully paid for next season and no matter how much you stomp your feet, hes playing. It would be stupid to draft a QB in this years draft and force the issue, unless we see someone we just have to have and honestly I dont trust this regime of clowns to make that call , if you do, then fine, we can just disagree. It also comes down to draft position and weather you once again want to mortage the future (if your pick is not good enough) package up picks to move up and get said QB. Also the upcoming draft may be weak at the position so pushing would be stupid as well. You try to win with what you have and if it does not work you move on. If your not patient with this process then you wind up with sh*t once again. The option you have if you draft a QB in 2014 and cut Sanchez is you grab a veteran on the cheap and let the rookie battle him to play, if hes got issues he sits until hes ready if he lights it up he plays pretty much the same thing most teams do.

Hector predictably you will probably hate every QB that comes in here especially if he comes in under Rex/Tanny/Sparano and they continue to ignore the offensive side of the ball. Sorry you find this hard to deal with and you cant see beyond a QB in the NFL but its the sad fact we all have to deal with being Jets fans the past 12 years. This team has put much more emphasis on the defense. Sure they spent some High picks on the offensive line but virtually none at the skill positions (until finally this year and we know Hills raw). They saw fit to bring in other teams cast offs and Cuts rather than building properly with our young QB from day one the problems Sanchez has faced in this organization have been numerous. Its also the reason why I think he has the problems he does. I see a poorly coached offense under Shotty for 6 years and now it seems Sparano has them slightly improving but who knows .... They are still capable of going out and laying an egg at any time and the only really big play type guy we have until Hill emerges is Kerley and we have nothing at the RB position.

[#27TheDominator]

Even if they go with that plan, there's absolutely no way the Jets can justify waiting another year to draft a QB. They already should have drafted one this past year and they absolutely have to draft one this coming year, even if it's just to sit him while Sanchez gets the start at the beginning of the season. You can't sit here and wait until you've finally cut your last QB to go and draft the next one, starting this process all over with a rookie at QB once again. With that kind of logic, we'll be sitting around while people like you want to give the new guy his 5 years to prove himself, even if he sucks. The Jets need to keep continually looking, and cannot stop, until they've found their answer. Giving the same one guy a chance over and over again with no competition or alternatives when there's little to no evidence that he'll ever be the answer is not going to get you anywhere.

What round? It depends on where they are picking and who is available. I don't see the sense in drafting a QB for the sake of drafting one. If there is somebody they like to be a starter fine, but I doubt we want to burn a 1st on one and I don't think we are going to find anybody that will cheer you guys up past the 3rd or 4th.

[Smashmouth]

What round? It depends on where they are picking and who is available. I don't see the sense in drafting a QB for the sake of drafting one. If there is somebody they like to be a starter fine, but I doubt we want to burn a 1st on one and I don't think we are going to find anybody that will cheer you guys up past the 3rd or 4th.

Thank you for making sense.

[Bleedin Green]

What round? It depends on where they are picking and who is available. I don't see the sense in drafting a QB for the sake of drafting one. If there is somebody they like to be a starter fine, but I doubt we want to burn a 1st on one and I don't think we are going to find anybody that will cheer you guys up past the 3rd or 4th.

Obviously it depends on the circumstances and who's available, but you certainly don't walk into the next draft saying you aren't going to address the position, as was suggested in the post I was replying to. As for this past year, perhaps instead of pissing away a draft pick on a proven failure at the position as the only other option aside of a guy who finished last year by playing the worst football of his career, they could have at least looked to possibly address the position in the draft.

If they find someone they like in the draft, they can always make a move for him if they really wanted, and if they can't find a single QB they like (which would bring up a whole other set of questions), that's one thing, but going in advance and saying they're absolutely not taking a QB regardless of who's available would be the single dumbest thing any team could ever possibly do. Thus, the reason why the idea that Jets should wait until 2014 before even looking for a QB is absolute foolishness, which was the point I was directly responding to. Interesting that you didn't take such issue with that point, considering that it was not only indicating that the QB position be drafted in a single specific year of 2014, but in addition to that, also suggested intentionally predetermining not to address it prior to that.

[Bleedin Green]

Thank you for making sense.

So you agree with his position then? You do realize that following his logic, the position you took regarding how the Jets should handle the QB position would have to be considered even more ridiculous, right?

[SenorGato]

Problem you have is the time without Keller overlaps and makes this pointless.

Stop making excuses for Holmes. The Cancer was tearing this family apart.

[#27TheDominator]

Obviously it depends on the circumstances and who's available, but you certainly don't walk into the next draft saying you aren't going to address the position, as was suggested in the post I was replying to. As for this past year, perhaps instead of pissing away a draft pick on a proven failure at the position as the only other option aside of a guy who finished last year by playing the worst football of his career, they could have at least looked to possibly address the position in the draft.

If they find someone they like in the draft, they can always make a move for him if they really wanted, and if they can't find a single QB they like (which would bring up a whole other set of questions), that's one thing, but going in advance and saying they're absolutely not taking a QB regardless of who's available would be the single dumbest thing any team could ever possibly do. Thus, the reason why the idea that Jets should wait until 2014 before even looking for a QB is absolute foolishness, which was the point I was directly responding to. Interesting that you didn't take such issue with that point, considering that it was not only indicating that the QB position be drafted in a single specific year of 2014, but in addition to that, also suggested intentionally predetermining not to address it prior to that.

They don't just have to like the prospect. If they are going to move up, they probably have to like him more than Sanchez. Making a mid round move is one thing, but moving around at the top opens up a whole new can of worms. I don't think they should intentional wait, but I can logically see why they might end up waiting.

[JetsFanInDenver]

For a moment i thought I was on the 'Sanchez sucks' thread.

[Ken Shroy]

Since I think Sanchez's contract status likely means he will be the starter through at least next year I am rooting for him to succeed (as my happiness level on Sunday is attached directly to this.) However, if he plays poorly I will be critical of his performance.

I actually felt bad for Sanchez on Sunday because other than two backbreaking plays, he had a very good game. Its just we need to not see those backbreaking plays. They need to stop. They are beyond old at this point.

Spot on Bro.

[slats]

For a moment i thought I was on the 'Sanchez sucks' thread.

The only real difference between the Sanchez sucks thread, and every other thread on JN, is its length.

[JetsFanInDenver]

The only real difference between the Sanchez sucks thread, and every other thread on JN, is its length.

LOL.

[Smashmouth]

So you agree with his position then? You do realize that following his logic, the position you took regarding how the Jets should handle the QB position would have to be considered even more ridiculous, right?

exactly what the hell are you reading ?

[Bleedin Green]

exactly what the hell are you reading ?

I'm reading one guy (Dom) point out the flaws that in exist in trying to predetermine a plan for the upcoming draft and then see another guy (you) celebrating this position, thinking that it somehow support his stance, which featured the supposed need to have a predetermined draft plan for the next two years.

[JFtoLong]

Obviously it depends on the circumstances and who's available, but you certainly don't walk into the next draft saying you aren't going to address the position, as was suggested in the post I was replying to. As for this past year, perhaps instead of pissing away a draft pick on a proven failure at the position as the only other option aside of a guy who finished last year by playing the worst football of his career, they could have at least looked to possibly address the position in the draft.

If they find someone they like in the draft, they can always make a move for him if they really wanted, and if they can't find a single QB they like (which would bring up a whole other set of questions), that's one thing, but going in advance and saying they're absolutely not taking a QB regardless of who's available would be the single dumbest thing any team could ever possibly do. Thus, the reason why the idea that Jets should wait until 2014 before even looking for a QB is absolute foolishness, which was the point I was directly responding to. Interesting that you didn't take such issue with that point, considering that it was not only indicating that the QB position be drafted in a single specific year of 2014, but in addition to that, also suggested intentionally predetermining not to address it prior to that.

If the Jets find a QB they really like, they should go after him, period.

But this notion many Jets fans have that anyone is going to be an improvement is idiotic.

Sanchez sucks, but so do many other starting QBs.

If there are 7-10 QB's drafted per year, that would mean in the last 10 years somewhere around 75-100 QB's have been drafted, and there are maybe 10 good QB's in the league today.

Drafting a QB for the sake of drafting one would be really foolish, considering how many holes are on this team.

If they really love one, totally different story, but they have to love one, and be able to make the move to get him, that is not going to be easy.

[Sperm Edwards]

Nothing like a minuscule number of games to make some sort of definitive conclusion. Hey I remember a few games into the 2010 season people using a few games as some sort of evidence that Sanchez had gotten so much better. Then of course life caught up to him. If you suck, you can't hide it for very long. Hey I can gamble and win a ton on a few hands or rolls of the dice. In the end, the house always wins.