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[JiF]

I think History has proven that game managers have won just as many SB's with fantastic teams around them as teams who have won SB's with Great QB's and weaknesses on the team never to win one again. Troy Aikman is a great example of a game manager that had a team so loaded with talent and probably the greatest offensive line ever. Troy never lit it up, but he managed well and thats all he needed to do. Terry Bradshaw had some horrible years but the team around him was so superior to everyone else and Terry was so big time in the playoffs they won 4 SB's. Terry however is certainly not close to the talent of a Montana or a Brady or an Elway.

The only really great QB's who won Multiple SB's we're Joe Monatana, Tom Brady, and John Elway and to be honest those guys won with complete teams as well, as great as Elway was he never won the big one until his team was complete with great defense and a loaded offense. I guess what Im trying to say is if you have a talented team all the way around you can win a SB or mutiple SB's with game managers but its very difficult (even if your a great QB) to win a SB with a great QB and holes. Sure you can win 11-13 ball games and impress the fans with superior numbers during the regular season with a great QB but it can catch up to you in the playoffs and it ALWAYS does.

Im done sticking up for Sanchez I think the kid is ruined for a multitude of reasons but I do want to see McElroy play rather than him rot in the back ground. I think he can builf up some strength and probably has so he could be throwing the ball much better at this stage. Give him a shot its stupid to just push him aside like we did with Ratliff. We can argue this point till we're blue in the face but nothing says stupid more than not giving a young player a chance when the guy in front of him is a broken down mess.

Meh, Aikman never put up gaudy numbers but the dude was super talented and as accurate of a passer I can remember and one of the deadliest postseason QB's of all time. He managed games during the regular season but straight up diced teams up in the postseason.

Since the 80's, there's been maybe 3 QB's who were game managers that won the SB. The rest, could flat out take over ball games and often times had to in the postseason. Its necessary now. Bottom line. Not saying they dont need great teams around, thats a given, but game managers dont win SB's anymore.

Edited by JiF, 30 October 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[Matt39]

Mcelroy is more Ken Dorsey than Jeff Garcia. But I'd give him the final 3 games or whatever to see if shows anything

[Jetsouth]

As Jetsouth pointed out, everything that makes McElroy a compelling choice is true of Tebow, too. I think the only thing we know about our three QB's is that Sanchez is not the answer. It is time to start investing our efforts in other options.

Forgot his college TD to Int ration was
32 to 6 with 13 sacks
30 to 4 with 15
21 to 5 with 25 his last college year...

none of his rushing TDs are included, I am telling you someone is going to figure out how to
utilize Tim Tebow and it is going to be fun to watch..or maybe not.. LOL.

His NFL rating has been averaged at 75.1 for his two seasons at the Broncos and 90.0 for his two playoff games.

Edited by Jetsouth, 30 October 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[JiF]

Forgot his college TD to Int ration was
32 to 6 with 13 sacks
30 to 4 with 15
21 to 5 with 25 his last college year...

none of his rushing TDs are included, I am telling you someone is going to figure out how to
utilize Tim Tebow and it is going to be fun to watch..or maybe not.. LOL.

Most efficient passer in SEC history. Put him in position to make plays and he'll make plays. Plus, he can make something out of nothing where Sanchez would force an issue and turn it over. His game isnt pretty but I'm done with Sanchez's level of ugly.

Edited by JiF, 30 October 2012 - 04:18 PM.

[afosomf]

Most efficient passer in SEC history. Put him in position to make plays and he'll make plays. Plus, he can make something out of nothing where Sanchez would force an issue and turn it over. His game isnt pretty but I'm done with Sanchez's level of ugly.

I think u have to make a change be it GMAC or Tebow, sanchez is kaput in NY, in fact make sanchez the 3rd qb

[Jetscode1]

Most efficient passer in SEC history. Put him in position to make plays and he'll make plays. Plus, he can make something out of nothing where Sanchez would force an issue and turn it over. His game isnt pretty but I'm done with Sanchez's level of ugly.

Sanchez makes the game unwatchable...between his maddening inconsistent throws to his non-verbal woe is me attitude...almost ready to stop watching...this past Sunday went to RZC in the third quarter...at some point I may just watch them from there...

[JiF]

I think u have to make a change be it GMAC or Tebow, sanchez is kaput in NY, in fact make sanchez the 3rd qb

Agreed brah, good luck this weekend. At least you got something to cheer for still in the Football world.

Sanchez makes the game unwatchable...between his maddening inconsistent throws to his non-verbal woe is me attitude...almost ready to stop watching...this past Sunday went to RZC in the third quarter...at some point I may just watch them from there...

Surfing is my biggest passion in this world. Nothing brings me more joy, besides my family. Every Sunday there are waves, I adjust my schedule accordingly and get back just in time to watch the game, even when the waves are great, I skip that 3-4 hours for the Jets. Did it this Sunday when the waves were as good as they get in Florida. The second Fasano scored, I turned it off and went out for another session. No way I was going to ruin my Sunday and not maximize my time in the water watching that turd take the field again.

[kelly]

Mcelroy is more Ken Dorsey than Jeff Garcia. But I'd give him the final 3 games or whatever to see if shows anything

i think if we reach the point this season that we're " out of the playoff race " ;
rex will put McElroy in & see what he can do...




cheers ~ ~

[TNJet]

McElroy is Chad Pennington part 2. Which at this time, sounds like just what we need.

[bitonti]

The Jets dont have the Brains to start McElroy. They will do exactly what the general consensus of the media says they should do and what Woody the a$$hole wants them to do and thats start Tim Tebow

i am responding to all the Pro- McElroy posters in this thread. not just you.

but here's the news Greg McElroy sucks. He has no arm strength and is lucky to be holding a clipboard right now.

[peebag]

There's a reason why the Jets picked up Drew Stanton then Tebow....

[Lupz27]

i am responding to all the Pro- McElroy posters in this thread. not just you.

but here's the news Greg McElroy sucks. He has no arm strength and is lucky to be holding a clipboard right now.

Simple solution, trade T Tebow in the offseason for whatever you can get for him, sign M Moore with the cap space Tebow was going to occupy, let Sanchez "Think" he is in a QB competition in training camp, start Moore see what he has, if it crashes real bad, dump Moore, and obviously let Sanchez go, and rebuild the entire O, also make sure you draft a QB this year in round 3-5, and see where you are at that point.

[afosomf]

i am responding to all the Pro- McElroy posters in this thread. not just you.

but here's the news Greg McElroy sucks. He has no arm strength and is lucky to be holding a clipboard right now.

yet he was only QB in pre-season that could generate a TD hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Jetfire]

you will see rex trot his fat ass out there and try to play qb before he puts mcelroy in.

[Kentucky Jet]

His arm is much worse and that's the biggest thing holding him back.

He worked very hard in the off season to strenghten his arm. It showed very well in preseason. Go back and review the film. You are wrong in my opinion.

By the way they said the exact same things about Montana and Brady when they came out of college. Ya think that may have turned out OK?

Edited by Kentucky Jet, 01 November 2012 - 05:39 PM.

[jetsjetsjetss]

He worked very hard in the off season to strenghten his arm. It showed very well in preseason. Go back and review the film. You are wrong in my opinion.

By the way they said the exact same things about Montana and Brady when they came out of college. Ya think that may have turned out OK?

his opinion isnt completly wrong. He wasnt all that in the preseason especially when u consider how he whent against 3rd stringers

[kelly]

McElroy is Chad Pennington part 2. Which at this time, sounds like just what we need.

i'm not sure if THAT's what we need but ,
i am sure we need somethin' ...

[NorthCoastJetsFan]

I think History has proven that game managers have won just as many SB's with fantastic teams around them as teams who have won SB's with Great QB's and weaknesses on the team never to win one again. Troy Aikman is a great example of a game manager that had a team so loaded with talent and probably the greatest offensive line ever. Troy never lit it up, but he managed well and thats all he needed to do. Terry Bradshaw had some horrible years but the team around him was so superior to everyone else and Terry was so big time in the playoffs they won 4 SB's. Terry however is certainly not close to the talent of a Montana or a Brady or an Elway.

The only really great QB's who won Multiple SB's we're Joe Monatana, Tom Brady, and John Elway and to be honest those guys won with complete teams as well, as great as Elway was he never won the big one until his team was complete with great defense and a loaded offense. I guess what Im trying to say is if you have a talented team all the way around you can win a SB or mutiple SB's with game managers but its very difficult (even if your a great QB) to win a SB with a great QB and holes. Sure you can win 11-13 ball games and impress the fans with superior numbers during the regular season with a great QB but it can catch up to you in the playoffs and it ALWAYS does.

Im done sticking up for Sanchez I think the kid is ruined for a multitude of reasons but I do want to see McElroy play rather than him rot in the back ground. I think he can builf up some strength and probably has so he could be throwing the ball much better at this stage. Give him a shot its stupid to just push him aside like we did with Ratliff. We can argue this point till we're blue in the face but nothing says stupid more than not giving a young player a chance when the guy in front of him is a broken down mess.

I'm not going to stick up for Sanchez, I'm done with that.

But, oh my God, don't ever compare Greg McElroy with Troy Aikman. That's like comparing Roseanne Barr with Marisa Miller. Aikman could take over a game and beat the living daylights out of a team. He had a great arm, was deadly accurate, a great leader and put up good numbers in college. McElroy is none of those things.

If we go for another QB ( and we probably should) get ready for another 4-5 years of rebuilding. It will take at least that long.

[Smashmouth]

I'm not going to stick up for Sanchez, I'm done with that.

But, oh my God, don't ever compare Greg McElroy with Troy Aikman. That's like comparing Roseanne Barr with Marisa Miller. Aikman could take over a game and beat the living daylights out of a team. He had a great arm, was deadly accurate, a great leader and put up good numbers in college. McElroy is none of those things.

If we go for another QB ( and we probably should) get ready for another 4-5 years of rebuilding. It will take at least that long.

where exactly did I compare Greg McElroy to Troy Aikman ??

[Jetcane Redux]

I'm not going to stick up for Sanchez, I'm done with that.

But, oh my God, don't ever compare Greg McElroy with Troy Aikman. That's like comparing Roseanne Barr with Marisa Miller. Aikman could take over a game and beat the living daylights out of a team. He had a great arm, was deadly accurate, a great leader and put up good numbers in college. McElroy is none of those things.

If we go for another QB ( and we probably should) get ready for another 4-5 years of rebuilding. It will take at least that long.

Which will happen first- they get the toppled crane on 57th street removed, or the Jets win another game?