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#1 SouthernJet

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:25 AM

OK, I agree, it's depressing. Like really depressing.
We have a full blown disaster on our Jet Green hands and it's time to forget bandaids and perform surgery.
I totally understand those who cant stomach Tanny, Woody, Mark, Rex etc etc etc. I get it, I am there on many of those issues.
The one thing we all have in common is we Love this team.
This is the team that we our Dads brought us to Love. This is the team that we then passe don to our kids.
No matter how dismal it looks, I would never think of leaving the team I watched with my know deceased Pop. Or the team I sat in living room watching with my little sons in Jets Jerseys. Or the team I sat in frigid cold watching at Shea Stadium.

Having said that, it's time to look at a few things to get back on track. You cant fire the owner, so.........

Agenda Items:

1) GM. It's fairly obvious to me that Tanny wont survive 2012. He has whiffed too much and he wont be able to blame Joey Clinksdales anymore (who DOES deserve a great amount of blame). Tanny put all his Player pick marbles in Clinksdales basket and it failed. Joey leaving was probably 2 years too late. Candidates: I dont know enough here, but think maybe two might be Baltimore assistant GM Eric DeCosta and New York Giants Marc Ross Director of College Scouting, both with scouting experience.

2) Head Coach. If Tanny leaves there is a high chance Rex is gone in the purge. Most solid GM candidates like to pick their own coach, If Woody gets lucky and gets Cowher or Gruden (why would they come to this mess?) then those two usually prefer total control.
I would like our next coach to be a ass kicker, aka Gruden/Cowher. To me this is Rex's MAIN fail point. He never learned how to stop being a buddy buddy position coach to being a no nonsense Head Coach. jets players have ZERO accountability IMHO. I like to tell a story Parcells has told and Phil Simms has backed up on a few occasions about player fear. Tuna would say "These players have millions and get on a plane after game to fly to Caribbean with 2/3 days off. They dont really feel the pain of mistakes like other workers. The only thing I have to 'motivate' them is fear of humiliation. Humiliation on national TV. They know with me I will chew them out when the come off field after mistake in front of millions. They do NOT like that." Simms has verified that after a mistake Giants players would walk off field at 10 yd line to avoid meeting Tuna and his wrath. It works.
When was last time we saw Rex chew a player out for a mistake?? Rare, if EVER. ZERO accountability.
Candidates: Who knows who Woody can con into coming. Money shouldnt be issue. sales Job is Key and giving total control for a Cowher/Gruden type.

3) Players. With assumption we are now in Train Wreck status, no one is safe. Sure, keep a few of the players drafted last year or two if you think they have real potential, but all others (Revis, Mangold etc etc) are fair game to trade for draft picks. If we feel we are a few years away from playoff contention now, then what good does some of the Vets do us. Instead of 4-12, we are 6-10? So what. Build for future, accumulate draft picks for new GM/HC to tailor to their scheme. It also allows some of the Vets a chance to compete for playoffs in last years of their careers. Obviously Sanchez has to go as it isnt good for ex starter to be on staff with new HC and new QB. Cap hit be damned, he has to go.

4) Fans. I am not happy, but I rooted for Jets with my Dad, I rooted with my kids and I hope to root with my grandkids. We cant change the team we love/ We can be upset and demand firings, changes etc. But lets stand together and fix this mess.

Bleed Green For Ever :)

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:34 AM

As far as HC candidates...be interesting to see the direction the Jets take. I could potentially see Woody being fed up(or possibly not giving a sh*t too) at the end of the year and offering a blank check to Cowher, Dungy, Holmgren...
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:42 AM

We cant change the team we love/ We can be upset and demand firings, changes etc. But lets stand together and fix this mess.

Bleed Green For Ever :)


Look I get it, but this isn't a civil rights march. It's a professional football team and in reality the only role in which this franchise sees me is a customer. And at this point I'm starting to feel like a sucker.
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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:44 AM

Bringing in retreads like Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren etc. would be a huge mistake. It took 15 years for Cowher to win a SB and Gruden ran Tampa Bay into the ground after winning a SB with a team that someone else put together. Holmgren did get the Seahawks to a SB, but underachieved for many years, check the record. Retreads rarely win. Better to get an established offensive coordinator.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:45 AM

OK, I agree, it's depressing. Like really depressing.
We have a full blown disaster on our Jet Green hands and it's time to forget bandaids and perform surgery.
I totally understand those who cant stomach Tanny, Woody, Mark, Rex etc etc etc. I get it, I am there on many of those issues.
The one thing we all have in common is we Love this team.
This is the team that we our Dads brought us to Love. This is the team that we then passe don to our kids.
No matter how dismal it looks, I would never think of leaving the team I watched with my know deceased Pop. Or the team I sat in living room watching with my little sons in Jets Jerseys. Or the team I sat in frigid cold watching at Shea Stadium.

Having said that, it's time to look at a few things to get back on track. You cant fire the owner, so.........

Agenda Items:

1) GM. It's fairly obvious to me that Tanny wont survive 2012. He has whiffed too much and he wont be able to blame Joey Clinksdales anymore (who DOES deserve a great amount of blame). Tanny put all his Player pick marbles in Clinksdales basket and it failed. Joey leaving was probably 2 years too late. Candidates: I dont know enough here, but think maybe two might be Baltimore assistant GM Eric DeCosta and New York Giants Marc Ross Director of College Scouting, both with scouting experience.

2) Head Coach. If Tanny leaves there is a high chance Rex is gone in the purge. Most solid GM candidates like to pick their own coach, If Woody gets lucky and gets Cowher or Gruden (why would they come to this mess?) then those two usually prefer total control.
I would like our next coach to be a ass kicker, aka Gruden/Cowher. To me this is Rex's MAIN fail point. He never learned how to stop being a buddy buddy position coach to a no nonsense Head Coach. jets players have ZERO accountability IMHO. I like to tell a story Parcells has told and Phil Simms has backed up on a few occasions about player fear. Tuna would say "These players have millions and get on a plane after game to fly to Caribbean with 2/3 days off. They dont really feel the pain of mistakes like other workers. The only thing I have to 'motivate' them is fear of humiliation. Humiliation on national TV. They know with me I will chew them out when the come off field after mistake in front of millions. They do NOT like that." Simms has verified that after a mistake Giants players would walk off field at 10 yd line to avoid meeting Tuna and his wrath. It works.
When was last time we saw Rex chew a player out for a mistake?? Rare, if EVER. ZERO accountability.
Candidates: Who knows who Woody can con into coming. Money shouldnt be issue. sales Job is Key and giving total control for a Cowher/Gruden type.

3) Players. With assumption we are now in Train Wreck status, no one is safe. Sure, keep a few of the players drafted last year or two if you think they have real potential, but all others (Revis, Mangold etc etc) are fair game to trade for draft picks. If we feel we are a few years away from playoff contention now, then what good does some of the Vets do us. Instead of 4-12, we are 6-10? So what. Build for future, accumulate draft picks for new GM/HC to tailor to their scheme. It also allows some of the Vets a chance to compete for playoffs in last years of their careers. Obviously Sanchez has to go as it isnt good for ex starter to be on staff with new HC and new QB. Cap hit be damned, he has to go.

4) Fans. I am not happy, but I rooted for Jets with my Dad, I rooted with my kids and I hope to root with my grandkids. We cant change the team we love/ We can be upset and demand firings, changes etc. But lets stand together and fix this mess.

Bleed Green For Ever :)


I am in total agreement with you. This team is a disgrace. I love the Jets. I am in disbelief how low we have sunk in such a short period of time. Maybe I saw it coming. But there is no accountability. There is no leadership. There is no direction.

I am a few years younger than you perhaps 10 or so I am guessing, and I know where you are coming from.

I do believe we need a change because the direction we are headed is embarrassing. We need a football proven GM/HC combination. I would be willing to for-go winning at this point in time for a "system" that can work.

Listening to Rex speak at the post game presser, made me sick. Hearing Sanchez speak the way he did made me sick. Hearing Cromartie say what he did made me sick.

Get these clowns out of here, get a new GM, bring in a new HC give him control and lets build a "team". Not a bunch of slapdicks. And to the honest from what I see the main slapdick is Rex himself.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:45 AM

Bringing in retreads like Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren etc. would be a huge mistake. It took 15 years for Cowher to win a SB and Gruden ran Tampa Bay into the ground after winning a SB with a team that someone else put together. Holmgren did get the Seahawks to a SB, but underachieved for many years, check the record. Retreads rarely win. Better to get an established offensive coordinator.

Fine with me.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:46 AM

Bringing in retreads like Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren etc. would be a huge mistake. It took 15 years for Cowher to win a SB and Gruden ran Tampa Bay into the ground after winning a SB with a team that someone else put together. Holmgren did get the Seahawks to a SB, but underachieved for many years, check the record. Retreads rarely win. Better to get an established offensive coordinator.


I dont know if you can consider guys that have won Super Bowls as retreads. I actually think Dungy would be a good hire.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:46 AM

Look I get it, but this isn't a civil rights march. It's a professional football team and in reality the only role in which this franchise sees me is a customer. And at this point I'm starting to feel like a sucker.

agree, but I certainly am not going to become a fan of another team after all I have invested with family etc. It's my team, no matter what.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

I dont know if you can consider guys that have won Super Bowls as retreads. I actually think Dungy would be a good hire.


Agreed!
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

Good point on Rex. I think that Rex should be back but you also have to not tie a new GM's hands. Tanny can be back if you want him in a behind the scenes role just doing contracts. He can't be leading free agency and the draft. No way.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

agree, but I certainly am not going to become a fan of another team after all I have invested with family etc. It's my team, no matter what.


I don't think that was insinuating going SMC on the team, but I'm certainly done after next week investing large sums of money into being a fan.
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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:52 AM

Look I get it, but this isn't a civil rights march. It's a professional football team and in reality the only role in which this franchise sees me is a customer. And at this point I'm starting to feel like a sucker.


It was the same with Kotite...listen you know this and I am not saying anything you probably don't know already....but the fact is we need to clean house and need to put a product out there that will eventually compete. See I said the word "compete" and this is what our Jets is NOT doing.

I can't wait for the beat down on Thanksgiving when we face the Pats (and why the Pats are going to lay it on us). You do see where this is going right?
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:52 AM

I don't think that was insinuating going SMC on the team, but I'm certainly done after next week investing large sums of money into being a fan.

dont blame you for that at all.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:54 AM

I dont know if you can consider guys that have won Super Bowls as retreads. I actually think Dungy would be a good hire.

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Gibbs, Shanahan, Holmgren could never recapture the original magic and Dungy is too laid back for this team. They need their asses kicked on a daily basis. However, no matter who the coach is, they need the horses or they will never win and this team is barren on the offensive side of the ball. How that happened in the space of 2 years is mind boggling, heads must roll no matter what.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:54 AM

1) GM. It's fairly obvious to me that Tanny wont survive 2012.


Why?

I agree that he should not survive it. But, when was the last time this team held the right person accountable. I'm hoping the ax finally falls, but nothing tells me it will at this point. We fired the offensive coordinator only as the roster fell to sh*t. The offensive coordinator.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:55 AM

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Gibbs, Shanahan, Holmgren could never recapture the original magic and Dungy is too laid back for this team. They need their asses kicked on a daily basis. However, no matter who the coach is, they need the horses or they will never win and this team is barren on the offensive side of the ball. How that happened in the space of 2 years is mind boggling, heads must roll no matter what.

agree, I want a ass kicker. This team is not afraid to make mistakes. Their coach is their best buddy,,,rarely works
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:58 AM

agree, I want a ass kicker. This team is not afraid to make mistakes. Their coach is their best buddy,,,rarely works


There can be a medium. Im not saying pursue Dungy or anything...but he's a guy that immediately demands respect and has the resume to back it up. He's still the polar opposite of Rex.

Rex blew his load the first two years....the team not showing up for the Pittsburgh game was the end of Rex and his approach. It's over. The team has been going through the motions since that game. The roster has gotten worse, Rex looks more and more clueless and we cant score points.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:58 AM

Tanny can be back if you want him in a behind the scenes role just doing contracts.


Contracts? Really?

Tanny's cap wizardry was really just to push back cap problems, mortgaging the future, until the point after which he should have been fired. We've got a ton of awful contracts (Sanchez, Scott, Harris, Pace, Holmes) and his abilities were nothing more than a myth.

He needs to
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

I don't think that was insinuating going SMC on the team, but I'm certainly done after next week investing large sums of money into being a fan.


I have flights, hotels, and tickets booked to Jaxsonville, and like you, the only thing that makes it worthwhile is that it's time spent with my dad. We've done it every year, but I'm not sure why I'd bother next year when the two of us can just go do something else.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:03 PM

I would like our next coach to be a ass kicker, aka Gruden/Cowher. To me this is Rex's MAIN fail point. He never learned how to stop being a buddy buddy position coach to being a no nonsense Head Coach. jets players have ZERO accountability IMHO.


Yeah players coaches never win. Like Pete Carroll in Seattle. Oh wait... nevermind.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:08 PM

Yeah players coaches never win. Like Pete Carroll in Seattle. Oh wait... nevermind.


"Players coaches" shelf life is short, typically. There are exceptions of course, but Rex seems to be a guy who loves to do the stroking of players, and just expects players to be responsible enough to fix things when it goes bad.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

Contracts? Really?

Tanny's cap wizardry was really just to push back cap problems, mortgaging the future, until the point after which he should have been fired. We've got a ton of awful contracts (Sanchez, Scott, Harris, Pace, Holmes) and his abilities were nothing more than a myth.

He needs to


He is fine on contracts. He just isn't fine deciding what contracts to do. The Sanchez extension is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

That said, I am fine with him getting fired all together (Tanny).
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:10 PM

He is fine on contracts. He just isn't fine deciding what contracts to do. The Sanchez extension is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

That said, I am fine with him getting fired all together (Tanny).


How is he "fine with contracts" if we've got a ton of awful contracts that we can't get out from under?
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:11 PM

Yeah players coaches never win. Like Pete Carroll in Seattle. Oh wait... nevermind.


Not that I don't agree with you overall, but what exactly has Pete Carroll won? He beat one of the worst teams in the league yesterday. Not exactly a huge accomplishment.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:13 PM

Yeah players coaches never win. Like Pete Carroll in Seattle. Oh wait... nevermind.

It aint working with this group. Keller for one should have been chewed out yesterday. "Sit on bench till you get your head out of your ass".

I prefer my players to have some fear of making mistakes. I see none on this team with Rex.

But to each his own, I respect your opinion.
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