jason423 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You don't think that Coples and Davis give some up against the run compared to the vets? Coples Im sure does but I think at this stage you want to go with trial by fire and get the guys used to seeing things in real time. In Coples case I think you also hope he learns how hard you have to work to be conditioned to play for 60-70 plays a week over a 16 week season. I dont think there is anything wrong with letting a guy like that get blown up at the end of a game and embarrassed a little bit. On Davis vs Scott I think it depends. If a runner/receiver is at the second level Id expect Davis to have a better chance doing something productive. In terms of keeping that player from getting to the second level Scott is the better option. Personally I think its really on David Harris at this point. Hes fallen off a cliff since Scott went downhill. He got carried for about 7 yards on a play this week. That should never happen to a "top tier" linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Coples Im sure does but I think at this stage you want to go with trial by fire and get the guys used to seeing things in real time. In Coples case I think you also hope he learns how hard you have to work to be conditioned to play for 60-70 plays a week over a 16 week season. I dont think there is anything wrong with letting a guy like that get blown up at the end of a game and embarrassed a little bit. On Davis vs Scott I think it depends. If a runner/receiver is at the second level Id expect Davis to have a better chance doing something productive. In terms of keeping that player from getting to the second level Scott is the better option. Personally I think its really on David Harris at this point. Hes fallen off a cliff since Scott went downhill. He got carried for about 7 yards on a play this week. That should never happen to a "top tier" linebacker. I agree about the trial by fire. The question is at what point he was getting his reps. They may also want to coach him up, by pulling him to explain where he ****ed up. It doesn't seem that the Dlinemen are going series for series the way they do at G. Agree about LBs. I stand up for Tanny on most things, but I didn't want to give Harris all that money. I don't think he's top tier. He's quality, but limited. Harris is not a player that "makes those around him better" or whatever that saying is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You think so? I think Coples and Hill will both have decent careers. Wilson, maybe not as much, but I don't think any of the 3 are "busts". Wilson definitely didn't live up to 1st round billing but he's not that bad either. He's been our starting CB for most of the year and it's not like we're getting killed through the air. As to this particular game though, you don't think Coples had a good game? If 1 tackle and 1 assist are good I guess he was almost spectacular. His ceiling looks to be no more than an average defensive lineman who takes up space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 If 1 tackle and 1 assist are good I guess he was almost spectacular. His ceiling looks to be no more than an average defensive lineman who takes up space. Yep feel same way, jet fans rejoice in that he is not Vern and he makes an occasional tackle, he still does not have a meaningful sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Yep feel same way, jet fans rejoice in that he is not Vern and he makes an occasional tackle, he still does not have a meaningful sack That run stuff came just before half. It meant as much as a sack. You remember the first half? When it was Seahawks 14 - Jets D 7? The Jets D had scored 7, given the O the ball on the 40 and one of the TDs was after the D stuffed them on their own 15 and Kerley gave it right back with a short field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I guess we should wait a few years. Takes players different time periods sometimes. Mark Ingram is called a bust so far, but I think too early in his case also. Give it 2/3 years before declaring a bust IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I guess we should wait a few years. Takes players different time periods sometimes. Mark Ingram is called a bust so far, but I think too early in his case also. Give it 2/3 years before declaring a bust IMHO The problem is that we need help now. In 2008, 2009 and 2010 we didn't need immediate help, drafted some projects and none panned out. Wilson isn't a bust-bust, but he isn't a hit either. Ducasse sure looks like bust so far and this is the year he should be proving himself. This year we are ready for help. Getting a guy like Wilkerson is nice, but he isn't the kind of superstud, JPP type that will make up for Gholston sucking. Davis seems like a player, but is he going to be a high level starter or just a nice rotation piece? It's too early to tell, but this year we actually need these guys to step up. Are they? Eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 The problem is that we need help now. In 2008, 2009 and 2010 we didn't need immediate help, drafted some projects and none panned out. Wilson isn't a bust-bust, but he isn't a hit either. Ducasse sure looks like bust so far and this is the year he should be proving himself. This year we are ready for help. Getting a guy like Wilkerson is nice, but he isn't the kind of superstud, JPP type that will make up for Gholston sucking. Davis seems like a player, but is he going to be a high level starter or just a nice rotation piece? It's too early to tell, but this year we actually need these guys to step up. Are they? Eh. I hear ya, but rare for a kid to be dominant in year1. It happens for sure, but not often. usually kids who dominate in Year 1 are also on very good teams Wilson to me is a very good nickel, but I dont ever see him in ProBowl as a Corner. I like Davis and Coples .I think we will see more sacks if we ever got a nice lead and forced Offenses to throw low % passes, LOL. I have to assume Tanny gone, so we will have to see what new GM brings. remember, Jets 'let' Joey Clinksdales go easily and he was guy Tanny put in charge of draft. It was all his input. Clinksdales leaving was a plus IMHO. Tanny fault for keeping Joey so long for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I don't like what I've been seeing out of Wilson. He looks like he might be better off playing safety. He's fast enough, but doesn't get his head around and spends a ton of time chasing people without looking back. The fact that he is a smuft compounds the problem because it's so easy to drop one over his head. Hell, he barely blocks the receiver's view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 That run stuff came just before half. It meant as much as a sack. You remember the first half? When it was Seahawks 14 - Jets D 7? The Jets D had scored 7, given the O the ball on the 40 and one of the TDs was after the D stuffed them on their own 15 and Kerley gave it right back with a short field. It wasnt coples dude, it was devito Pouha and MoW, Coples made once nice TFL, but he wasnt even blocked, look at ze tape. Jets needed a pass rusher not another run stuffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 It wasnt coples dude, it was devito Pouha and MoW, Coples made once nice TFL, but he wasnt even blocked, look at ze tape. Jets needed a pass rusher not another run stuffer Umm... they both had them. Coples was right before the half. When it was still a game though it was going to be tough going since they rarely recover from negative offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I don't like what I've been seeing out of Wilson. He looks like he might be better off playing safety. He's fast enough, but doesn't get his head around and spends a ton of time chasing people without looking back. The fact that he is a smuft compounds the problem because it's so easy to drop one over his head. Hell, he barely blocks the receiver's view. by smuft, I assume you mean smurf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I would like Hill so much more, if he was not on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Umm... they both had them. Coples was right before the half. When it was still a game though it was going to be tough going since they rarely recover from negative offense. I dont think Coples will ever be a star, his lazy motor will never let him, he will play and make some plays once in a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 by smuft, I assume you mean smurf? I don't know. Maybe cross between smurf and smurfette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Coples 0 tackles last nite a Beast LOL Hill did make 2 catches Special mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Coples didn't touch Brady. Just like the rest of our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Come on. it's not like the Pats passed the ball a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Coples cant get on the field. Hill is on the field bc we have no one else and he's horrendous. Nice draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Coples cant get on the field. Hill is on the field bc we have no one else and he's horrendous. Nice draft. How did they think that starting Hill on Day One was, in any way, a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Coples looked good when I saw him on the field. He wasnt out there for many plays THO. At least that's how it seems. David was playing a lot of OLB early IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 How did they think that starting Hill on Day One was, in any way, a good idea? They handed the keys to a 22 year old on a win now team who had 16 starts in college. Hill is years away from being a guy you can even have on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Coples is fine. Hill blows. Hill just looks like he sucks. His build, his look maybe it's the low top black shoes, but he just looks frail and awkward, and of course plays like that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Coples played last night? Weren't the Pats missing two of their starting OL last night? The jets pass rush really took advantage of that...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Jason had an insight that is instructive(and I hope I'm accurate); the peripheral guys in the DL rotation , especially Devtio and Pouha, would be very effective if they were complementing more talented DL guys. Problem is all we see from any of these high end guys, Wilkerson, Coples, et al, is that they don't really produce enough to justify their status. We've seem flashes, but simply not enough. Despitge the fact Rex played DL in college there's scant evidence he's developed anyone. Even with the Ravens, Ngata was the real deal from Day 1, Rex didn't add much. Seems to be a theme-nobody on this Jets' team much develops. So drafting projects is pointless. As to Hill a WR who can't catch is worthless. Seems like a nice kid in interviews, but that's a fatal flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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