Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 It's obvious you've lost your faith in this regime but the facts are unchanged. They've been more successful than at any other point you've been a fan and they have yet to have a losing season. Perhaps you're letting your emotions get the better of you. I have had more faith in bad regimes than most fans. I will always try to look for the good in people, to outweigh the bad. And I have given Rex and co. the same shot. But the facts are becoming overwhelming. Rex is without a clue how an organization should be run. It is not just an x and o thing (which is pretty bad unto itself. His leadership is rudderless. I am rarely the fan of "blow it up", but in this case, it is the only viable option. It is going to get worse before it gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 So once again the only thing that can possibly beat a good defense is a good QB .....Does not matter what sh*t surrounds him hes gonna beat um right ?? I think Most would consider Tom Brady a HOF QB but when hes on the ground in 2 SB's facing the Giants I guess he can win Right ? And hes got some players around him. Name me one WR Pennington played with in Miami you can call a legit #1 funny you didnt mention those stellar stats I dont care about your rankings or your stats because they dont mean sh*t from week to week thats why we have upsets, thats why we have teams like the Giants winning the SB 2 years when they were barely lucky both times to even get to the playoffs. sh*t happens but its real difficult to say QB's can just eat up elite defenses when they have nothing at WR and cant protect the QB. If a QB does not have playmakers around him he does not have much of a chance to succeed vs an elite defense at all. But you keep sticking up for a team that has done next to nothing to aquire Skill players worth a sh*t on offense. Bring in a rookie QB or a FA and watch Him fail miserably with this putrid offense so you can say he sucks too....thats a great way to handle things. omg are you still going on about Pennington? The guy was ****ing terrible, give it a rest. He was a chicken sh*t who played to maximize his completion % instead of team wins. Worst QB in the history of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 buf·foon [ bə fn ] bumbling person: somebody behaving in a silly way clown: somebody who amuses others by clowning or joking Put that picture onto a "Leadership" motivational poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Can the NFL just take over our franchise, like MLB did with the Expos, because it is decreed that the organization is unfit to manage itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Can the NFL just take over our franchise, like MLB did with the Expos, because it is decreed that the organization is unfit to manage itself? We need a good old-fashioned Jeffrey Loria fire-sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 We need a good old-fashioned Jeffrey Loria fire-sale. I don't know.. first thing yesterday morning I thought that might be the case but then I found out Manish went Manish. Pulling old quotes to maximize a slam piece is poor form. Kind of makes it hard to take the rest of the story seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 What a bunch of dicks. Even if Tebow isn't half the QB Sanchez is - which is a logical impossibility to be less than half of zero - how many other #2 QBs in the NFL are willing to play multiple positions including being on special teams? Every other #2 QB in the league would tell his HC to f*ck off if it was suggested he play on kick coverage units, every game, all year long, so that the team could fake snap it to him twice. Kid may not be the QB we need - and he isn't - but this gutless team could use about 4 dozen more with his attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Put that picture onto a "Leadership" motivational poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I don't know.. first thing yesterday morning I thought that might be the case but then I found out Manish went Manish. Pulling old quotes to maximize a slam piece is poor form. Kind of makes it hard to take the rest of the story seriously. Aside from what is being reported in papers (which we should all take with a grain of salt-excpet that it does lead to the further incompetence of the people in charge), are you watching what is taking place on the field? And if so,does it even give you pause to think, maybe something is massively askew with how this organization is run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Aside from what is being reported in papers (which we should all take with a grain of salt-excpet that it does lead to the further incompetence of the people in charge), are you watching what is taking place on the field? And if so,does it even give you pause to think, maybe something is massively askew with how this organization is run? You're just nitpicking. Nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Aside from what is being reported in papers (which we should all take with a grain of salt-excpet that it does lead to the further incompetence of the people in charge), are you watching what is taking place on the field? And if so,does it even give you pause to think, maybe something is massively askew with how this organization is run? Tannebaum should be removed. He's had a good run but someone has to answer for the glaring lack of talent on offense. Guaranteeing Sanchez through next year without first having him prove himself was the nail in the coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Tannebaum should be removed. He's had a good run but someone has to answer for the glaring lack of talent on offense. Guaranteeing Sanchez through next year without first having him prove himself was the nail in the coffin. What are you talking about? I was scolded here repeatedly that it was only $2.5M! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Tannebaum should be removed. He's had a good run but someone has to answer for the glaring lack of talent on offense. Guaranteeing Sanchez through next year without first having him prove himself was the nail in the coffin. This is going to sting a little bit, but, while Rex is a good guy and his intentions are good, he is a poor leader. he is better cast as "being one of the guys", where he is more comfortable. I know that hurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1201722 NY Jet teammates rip backup Tim Tebow, believe 'terrible' quarterback hasn't improved I asked Manish whether he thought he was being 'played' by Jet players with hidden agenda.. He almost always DM's me a answer to a question, but in this case he was oddly silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 same type of mentality that lead to extending sanchez... i believe rex when he says he believes cause he believes... no other reason the blind faith chad got an ill-advised extension as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have had more faith in bad regimes than most fans. I will always try to look for the good in people, to outweigh the bad. And I have given Rex and co. the same shot. But the facts are becoming overwhelming. Rex is without a clue how an organization should be run. It is not just an x and o thing (which is pretty bad unto itself. His leadership is rudderless. I am rarely the fan of "blow it up", but in this case, it is the only viable option. It is going to get worse before it gets better. I disagree. Rex has so many flaws. But the Jets will always have a tough defense if he is the head coach. If you could surround him with a talented roster, he could get it done. Not the perfect situation but it is better than the Jets have had in the past. Besides no coach in the world will be able to overcome Woody. Does anyone really believe that Tanny wanted Tebow? C'mon. He had just addressed the QB situation, with a backup Stanton and an extension for Sanchez. Then they brought in Tebow without even reading his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I disagree. Rex has so many flaws. But the Jets will always have a tough defense if he is the head coach. If you could surround him with a talented roster, he could get it done. Not the perfect situation but it is better than the Jets have had in the past. Besides no coach in the world will be able to overcome Woody. Does anyone really believe that Tanny wanted Tebow? C'mon. He had just addressed the QB situation, with a backup Stanton and an extension for Sanchez. Then they brought in Tebow without even reading his contract. Max I hear ya, BUT what is going on (last few years, not just this year) with the 3rd down or long yardage Defense?? There has to be some logical explanation. Its odd when he has perennial Top 10 Defenses, that our 3rd down D is bottom 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I asked Manish whether he thought he was being 'played' by Jet players with hidden agenda.. He almost always DM's me a answer to a question, but in this case he was oddly silent. I hate when he DM's me...I can't DM back since he doesn't follow me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Max I hear ya, BUT what is going on (last few years, not just this year) with the 3rd down or long yardage Defense?? There has to be some logical explanation. Its odd when he has perennial Top 10 Defenses, that our 3rd down D is bottom 10 Eric Smith is to blame. I put that on Tanny as well lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have had more faith in bad regimes than most fans. I will always try to look for the good in people, to outweigh the bad. And I have given Rex and co. the same shot. But the facts are becoming overwhelming. Rex is without a clue how an organization should be run. It is not just an x and o thing (which is pretty bad unto itself. His leadership is rudderless. I am rarely the fan of "blow it up", but in this case, it is the only viable option. It is going to get worse before it gets better. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Every player right now has to be considered an "asset". The Jets hold these assets and would be doing their organization the best interest in determining of these assets are useful in the future, or should be discarded. I do not trust the current staff in place to do that evaluation. Then, once you determine that you actually have assets of use, you need someone that can mold them to fit their talents, and bring their talent to fruition. I definitely don't trust anyone on this staff to do that. To resurrect this franchise properly, the proper decision makers need to be in place. That is not here right now. Then we can decide which players stay. Ummm... What? None of this does anything to acknowledge the fact that you're blaming the play largely on poor coaching when there's no evidence to suggest that most of these players are any good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Max I hear ya, BUT what is going on (last few years, not just this year) with the 3rd down or long yardage Defense?? There has to be some logical explanation. Its odd when he has perennial Top 10 Defenses, that our 3rd down D is bottom 10 New England has had on of the worst D's in the league for years. Their defense is so bad, they make Sanchez look decent. Does that make BB a bad coach? They're able to overcome attrition on D because of Brady. I think Rex's biggest flaw was he thought the Jets would be able to overcome attrition with Sanchez and his scheme would still yield a great D. Eventually, he'll lose his job because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ummm... What? None of this does anything to acknowledge the fact that you're blaming the play largely on poor coaching when there's no evidence to suggest that most of these players are any good... I do not trust this staff to either evaluate talent or develop talent. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I disagree. Rex has so many flaws. But the Jets will always have a tough defense if he is the head coach. If you could surround him with a talented roster, he could get it done. Not the perfect situation but it is better than the Jets have had in the past. Besides no coach in the world will be able to overcome Woody. Does anyone really believe that Tanny wanted Tebow? C'mon. He had just addressed the QB situation, with a backup Stanton and an extension for Sanchez. Then they brought in Tebow without even reading his contract. Let him be the defensive back coach for some organization then. He can not lead a team. That is overly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I do not trust this staff to either evaluate talent or develop talent. That is all. Certainly don't trust tannenbaum with another draft pick, but I'm failing to see anything concrete to make the argument that the coaching staff is inadequate at coaching players. I think rex's problems are related more towards the management and leadership portion of being a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Certainly don't trust tannenbaum with another draft pick, but I'm failing to see anything concrete to make the argument that the coaching staff is inadequate at coaching players. I think rex's problems are related more towards the management and leadership portion of being a head coach. Exactly what players do you see that since they have come to the Jets, have an upward trajectory of output? Most start out on a plane on then spiral downward. The lone exceptions would be at the defensive tackle positions where Pouha and DeVito actually made something of themselves. These players do not seem to be getting coached well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Exactly what players do you see that since they have come to the Jets, have an upward trajectory of output? Most start out on a plane on then spiral downward. The lone exceptions would be at the defensive tackle positions where Pouha and DeVito actually made something of themselves. These players do not seem to be getting coached well. Cromartie would be another one. Otherwise, I don't see a single example of a player getting worse since they got here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Let him be the defensive back coach for some organization then. He can not lead a team. That is overly obvious. I am not sure it is obvious. He lead them pretty far his first two years and he won a Super Bowl with them in his 5th year. Not too bad if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Cromartie would be another one. Otherwise, I don't see a single example of a player getting worse since they got here either. Cromartie definitely is having a very good year. Tanner Purdum as well, his long snapping has improved under Rex's guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Cromartie would be another one. Otherwise, I don't see a single example of a player getting worse since they got here either. Keller, Sanchez, The linebackers as a group, the offensive line as a unit, Shonn Greene, John Conner, etc, etc. Yup, there are so many players that are hitting their ceiling, it makes your head spin. And the uncovered gems that they pick up and help excel, man these guys are great. The total reason this team is devoid of leadership, a future, a direction is heaped totally on Sanchez and Tannenbaum. The fix is sooo easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think Rex's biggest flaw was he thought the Jets would be able to overcome attrition with Sanchez and his scheme would still yield a great D. Eventually, he'll lose his job because of this. Well this and the whole losing the locker room thing and not being a leader. But yeah, otherwise........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The fix is sooo easy. yeah just like how replacing last year's goat Schotty was an easy fix. there are no easy fixes. The fix is to get a real franchise Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 yeah just like how replacing last year's goat Schotty was an easy fix. there are no easy fixes. The fix is to get a real franchise Qb. Ye of the naive. Just two weeks ago you told us you saw progress in Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ye of the naive. Just two weeks ago you told us you saw progress in Sanchez. If I admit that was wrong will you admit that Schotty wasn't the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Cromartie definitely is having a very good year. Of course he is - after he learned he didn't have to pretend he didn't see Tebow coming at him with the ball for the win anymore - he's a hittin biotch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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