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#1 sirlancemehlot

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:00 PM

Rex took over Mangini's offense. A top Oline, top running game, decent recieving corps, quality locker room. Mediocre defense. For two years he was successful with Mangini guys on the team. Then the dismantling began. The lcoker room was purged of character and replaced with talent. Troublesome, loudmouth talent. And the locker room was "divided" to the point where LaDainian Tomlinson called the "worst he's ever seen". Cotchery splits early on. He's replaced with Mason, or Plaxico, depending how you look at it. Woodhead becomes McKnight. Holmes is made Captain. Thomas Jones becomes Shonn Greene. Shaun Ellis becomes...gulp...Xerxes. And we draft badly.

Similarities include both coaches being saddled with QB's they never wanted: Favre/Tebow in order to sell PSL's.

Mangini is 8-4 before the Favre nose-dive. Loses his job over it.

Rex bets the house on Mark Sanchez. And the offense goes from good to bad as the offense disintigrates.

Mangini Drafts: D'Brick, Mangold, Eric Smith, Brad Smith, Leon Washington, Drew Coleman,Revis, David Harris Chansi Stuckey, Keller. Gholston was a bad pick but we that same year we signed Faneca, Pace, Woody, T-Rich, Jenkins and...Favre.

Rex picks: Sanchez, Greene, Slauson, Wilson, Ducasse, McKnight, Connor, Wilkerson, Ellis, Powell, Kerley McElroy FA: Holmes, Cromartie, Shlauderaff, Scott, Leonard

Mangini inherited a 4-12 team and took thento 10-6, back to 4-12, then to 9-7
Rex inherited a 9-7 team and went 9-7, 11-5, 8-8, ?

So. Obviously Tannenbaum is bad at football stuff. But setting him aside, who would you rather have building your team going forward? For me, its not that obvious an answer.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:14 PM

Personally I think they both sucked.

Mangini was propped up by the veterans he inherited from Herm, specifically Pennington, in his first year. Both Mangini and Schotty were propelled by Favre (while healthy) in the 3rd year, but Favre blew off his offensive coaching and Mangini still put forward a bottom half of the league defense.

Rex was propped up by the veterans he inherited from Mangini, guys like Ellis, T-Rich, the entire O-line, and most of the defenders. He was also propelled by circumstance, they lucked their way into the playoffs once and let bravado carry them to a loss in the AFCC game. The next year was legit, then they let bravado undermine them in the AFCC game vs. the Steelers. The veterans moved on, and this team went to sh*t quickly.

Neither is a very good head coach.

I really do wish Woody had called Cowher, still. I also wish we'd have gone after Kubiak back before Arian Foster emerged and Wade Phillips made that defense nasty, there was a point where Kubiak was on the hot seat big time in Houston. Now they are contenders, legit.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:17 PM

LOL at Mangini's offense.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:25 PM

Rex is revolutionizing the game!
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:30 PM

As pissed as I am with this team right now...I take Rex over Mangini every time. He was another BB disciple who thought he'd achieved something in the league but he was nothing but a towel boy who got a job by association. How'd he do in Cleveland?
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:37 PM

Mangini as GM yes HC no

Rex is a joke
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:38 PM

I think Rex has been dung the past two years. But he won 4 playoff games!!!l Norv Turner loses with talent twice as good as Rex. Marty Schottenheimer could have an NFL All-Star team and he would lose somewhere short of the Super Bowl. Whatever players he inherited he got 4 playoff wins out of them. I think he can coach. His problem is he refuses to manage the locker room, or to learn anything about offensive football. That is like a heart surgeon saying he knows hearts but not lungs. Rex probably should not be in charge.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:43 PM

If the Jets were getting even average QB play, this thread wouldn't exist.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:46 PM

If the Jets were getting even average QB play, this thread wouldn't exist.


Umm rex has option to play tebow or gmac mon
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:48 PM

Rex as a HC still has been one of the tops in this teams history so far.

Now even if he had a QB that was middle of the pack and an owner that did not foist a Tebow on his team this team with even the current level of talent and all the injuries would still be competing for the playoffs!
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:48 PM

If the Jets were getting even average QB play, this thread wouldn't exist.


Wrong. This team as currently constructed needs ABOVE average QB play to be any kind of good team. You need a QB that can make jags into stars and porous offensive lines into champions. There aren't many QBs like that out there and certainly not one on this roster, available next season in free agency or available in the draft. We're screwed.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

Umm rex has option to play tebow or gmac mon


That's really not an option.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

If the Jets were getting even average QB play, this thread wouldn't exist.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:55 PM

That's really not an option.


why isnt it?, tebow beat Pitt in playoffs and GMac led team to only TD drive in pre-season
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:59 PM

That's really not an option.

why?? Politics??

I would like to see McElroy. I think he has better awareness and isnt rattled as easily.
Keep Tebow for Wildcat if you want, but Sanchez needs to hold the clipboard.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

Crush, just because the Jets' QBs collectively and individually suck doesn't mean that the rest of the offensive skill players don't suck, too. I like Kerley, and I'd give Hill a chance to grow, but the rest of them... ?

I'm hoping Tannenbaum gets canned. It's the only hope. If Rex has to go, too, then so be it, but I'd rather he get a chance under someone capable of bringing in talent.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

why?? Politics??

I would like to see McElroy. I think he has better awareness and isnt rattled as easily.
Keep Tebow for Wildcat if you want, but Sanchez needs to hold the clipboard.


They see these QBs everyday. Does Sanchez' contract play a role? Yeah, I'm certain it plays a large one. But I'm also pretty confident that what they see in their other two QBs is a factor, too.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

Crush, just because the Jets' QBs collectively and individually suck doesn't mean that the rest of the offensive skill players don't suck, too. I like Kerley, and I'd give Hill a chance to grow, but the rest of them... ?

I'm hoping Tannenbaum gets canned. It's the only hope. If Rex has to go, too, then so be it, but I'd rather he get a chance under someone capable of bringing in talent.


To a point. But great QB play sometimes turns turds into world beaters. Do you think Victor Cruz would have been the same guy if he was playing with Sanchez? I don;t.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:15 PM

To a point. But great QB play sometimes turns turds into world beaters. Do you think Victor Cruz would have been the same guy if he was playing with Sanchez? I don;t.


Nope, me either.

First step in the new talent hunt should be a QB, just saying they shouldn't stop there.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:19 PM

Nope, me either.

First step in the new talent hunt should be a QB, just saying they shouldn't stop there.


We can start that hunt in 2014! Hooray!
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:21 PM

Mangini. Rex was a nice shot in the arm - but at the end of the day players coaches dont win in the NFL.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:21 PM

Nope, me either.

First step in the new talent hunt should be a QB, just saying they shouldn't stop there.


there aint one in 2013 draft mon, maybe jets should have taken freeman and not trade up mon
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:26 PM

Can we agree that Tannenbaum subverted both of them?
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:26 PM

If the Jets were getting even average QB play, this thread wouldn't exist.


...and I have to put just more than a little blame on Rex for Sanchez' lack of development and the lack of a qualified backup. At no point in Rex's reign has he had the opportunity to hand Mark a clipboard and tell him to watch and learn...the only tool a HC has is the bench...all the talk about practice reps for Brunnel and other psychological ploys are just empty words...now we are past the point with Sanchez...might have had other options with Orton or Campbell.

Crush, just because the Jets' QBs collectively and individually suck doesn't mean that the rest of the offensive skill players don't suck, too. I like Kerley, and I'd give Hill a chance to grow, but the rest of them... ?

I'm hoping Tannenbaum gets canned. It's the only hope. If Rex has to go, too, then so be it, but I'd rather he get a chance under someone capable of bringing in talent.


I like Hill and Kerley as well...also think Greene could stay if we had a better complementary back as well...just not the bell cow Rex envisioned...agreed Tanny has to go...IMO...too many deals made in regards to contracts instead of football...part of me wants to like Rex...but I can't see the follow through...he's bravado at the worst and reminds me more and more of his father every day...and I mean the Buddy Ryan with the Cards...just not and entertaining product and can't see that changing with him still here.

Just to throw this out there...probably deserves its own thread...but rumors has it Chip Kelly comes to the NFL if the Ducks can win a championship...thank you Aggies...there's a chance...the new Cleveland owner is already sniffing and supposedly is willing to outspend Phil Nike to get him to the Brownies...would like to see a clean slate here and Woody make a play for him. Their pace and style will take the league by storm.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:31 PM

Everyone is a genius until they have a losing season.

Remember when Eric Mangini was "Mangenius". How long did that last? Remember when everyone wanted to play for Rex "The Mad Scientist"? Yeah, now, 1 losing season, he's horrible.

The talent level has deteriorated . Both units are missing their best player. Its a new offense, a horrible one and the Jets have the worst QB in the league. Hard to win like that. In fact, I dont think people realize how hard it is to win with the likes of Mark Sanchez as your QB, period. Its nearly impossible but some how Rex has managed to do it, until now and this ****er is a mess.

Blow it up!
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