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#26 Scott Dierking

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

i don't think it's realistic to expect the Jets to go from 8-8 to win the Super Bowl. And then when that doesn't happen, claim that firing everyone will make it better. Super Bowl victories are built over the course of years. Sanchez showed up at the tail end of a window. that window closed. Another one will open. But they don't open every year. We talk about the quality of ownership, the implication is that if the Jets had won a Super Bowl, Woody would be an amazing owner. I just don't think this is a realistic goal for fans to believe every year that the Jets could win the Super Bowl.


You are stuck in the old paradigms of the NFL. It used to be that SB winners needed to be built over time. It is just not true any more. Parity and and expansion changed all of that. Along with Free Agency. Heck, look how quickly the Jaguars and Panthers were able to go form expansion teams to deep playoff teams.

In this league, you need to be run well, and able to make a late run. That is all it takes. More teams have been able to win teh big game from teh wild card position than ever before.

Steady management, ability to adjust, and proper player profiling.

Unfortunately for the jets, they suck at this today.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

Then what's the point of being a f***ing fan, you pathetic sonuvabitch?

My goal as a fan has always been I want my team to be a 'playoff contender' every year. SB contender is too much to ask on yearly basis IMHO. Even teams you might cite as 'yearly SB contender' wen thru down year stretches also in most cases.
If my team is a playoff contender that usually means I will have 13-16 games that are meaningful to root for as we are still in playoff spot contention. Nothing worse than being eliminated in October. If you make the playoffs anything can happen as we have seen with so many Wildcard SB winners. :)

Edited by SouthernJet, 15 November 2012 - 12:49 PM.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

if the only criteria is SB victories then there are like 10 good owners total.


Duh.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:50 PM

SB contender is too much to ask on yearly basis IMHO.


Being a fan by its nature means not being rational. And granted, I imagine there were few Jaguars fans out there thinking they were going to contend.

Having said that, if you don't go into every season thinking your team COULD win it all, then there's really no point in watching. None.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:55 PM

Being a fan by its nature means not being rational. And granted, I imagine there were few Jaguars fans out there thinking they were going to contend.

Having said that, if you don't go into every season thinking your team COULD win it all, then there's really no point in watching. None.

Like i said, I want a team to go into every year being a Playoff contender, and then anything can happen. But to expect to be one of the Top 4 or 5 teams to win SB is a bit much IMHO.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:02 PM

Like i said, I want a team to go into every year being a Playoff contender, and then anything can happen. But to expect to be one of the Top 4 or 5 teams to win SB is a bit much IMHO.


If you're a playoff contender, you're automatically a Super Bowl contender in today's NFL.

We've seen teams barely above .500 make a run and win it all. We saw these very Jets go from 9-7 to the AFC Title game in 2009. No one could argue they were a top 5 team after that regular season, but there we were in the "Final 4" all the same.

Is it that much of a stretch to go from "top 12" to "Super Bowl contender"? Nope.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:04 PM

put it another way the reason why the Jets are not a legit contender is because of their QB situation. Woody doesn't really fight with Tanny and Rex. If these guys say Sanchez is the guy, who is Woody to say they are wrong? Woody is not perfect but I respect that he knows his limitations. the solution is not to have an owner who makes all the draft picks. He can fire Tanny and hire someone better. But he's a couple of degrees of Kevin Bacon away from the problem.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

If these guys say Sanchez is the guy, who is Woody to say they are wrong?


He's not, but he hired Tannenbaum to make this very decision. Not only did he whiff on Sanchez, he gave him a f***ing contract extension for his poor play.

So while we don't know how much of a direct role Woody played in our predicament, we know he's the guy writing the checks. Want to blame the Tannenbaum/Rex/Sanchez trio? Fine, I think they all probably deserve to go at this point.

But can we trust Woody to hire the right GM going forward? Can we trust that a solid GM will want to work for him? It's a real, unavoidable concern.

Edited by Jetsfan80, 15 November 2012 - 01:07 PM.

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#34 SouthernJet

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:15 PM

If you're a playoff contender, you're automatically a Super Bowl contender in today's NFL.

We've seen teams barely above .500 make a run and win it all. We saw these very Jets go from 9-7 to the AFC Title game in 2009. No one could argue they were a top 5 team after that regular season, but there we were in the "Final 4" all the same.

Is it that much of a stretch to go from "top 12" to "Super Bowl contender"? Nope.

nah, when I hear SB contender I think Top 4/5 teams going into season. All pieces in place etc etc

If you think contender to make playoffs means SB contender, then great :)
But for me, I just think there are probably 20 teams in contention last few weeks of season for the 12 spots. Sure, anything can happen once u make playoffs, but LEGIT SB contender is a different animal.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:28 PM

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:31 PM

He met with reporters today. Said he's not here to sell PSLs and hot dogs. Looked like he was really counting on that Secretary of Commerce gig. Seemed glum.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

i don't think it's realistic to expect the Jets to go from 8-8 to win the Super Bowl. And then when that doesn't happen, claim that firing everyone will make it better. Super Bowl victories are built over the course of years. Sanchez showed up at the tail end of a window. that window closed. Another one will open. But they don't open every year. We talk about the quality of ownership, the implication is that if the Jets had won a Super Bowl, Woody would be an amazing owner. I just don't think this is a realistic goal for fans to believe every year that the Jets could win the Super Bowl.


As strange as this may sound. I dont think championship game appearances as a WC make you any more close than finishing 8-8. The teams we lost to in both games, and the potential teams we would have played in the SB we werent better than. We were dogs in both games and would have been heavy dogs in the SB.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

Gents

I never post

I love the site and think it is the go to site for a Jet fan

but I had to rise to this bait

the only thing Woody has done is inherit big dough

he is a member of the lucky sperm club and that does not guarantee intelligence

The Mara's and Rooney's are the gold standard

Woody is a star struck guy with no analytical skills - he is easily dazzled - and does not have an analytical mind or a football mind

we are screwed until Woody sells the team


You had me at The only thing woody has done is inherit big dough
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:43 PM

Gents

I never post

I love the site and think it is the go to site for a Jet fan

but I had to rise to this bait

the only thing Woody has done is inherit big dough

he is a member of the lucky sperm club and that does not guarantee intelligence

The Mara's and Rooney's are the gold standard

Woody is a star struck guy with no analytical skills - he is easily dazzled - and does not have an analytical mind or a football mind

we are screwed until Woody sells the team


Well two things:

1. Thanks for signing up and posting

2. Totally agree with your post
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:44 PM

You had Max at big.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:45 PM

put it another way the reason why the Jets are not a legit contender is because of their QB situation. Woody doesn't really fight with Tanny and Rex. If these guys say Sanchez is the guy, who is Woody to say they are wrong? Woody is not perfect but I respect that he knows his limitations. the solution is not to have an owner who makes all the draft picks. He can fire Tanny and hire someone better. But he's a couple of degrees of Kevin Bacon away from the problem.


If we find out you are on a board of directors for a company with Woody and DeWayne Robertson you will lose all credibility.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

He's definitely better than this guy.

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#43 unbanmadmike1

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:40 PM

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#44 coydoggie

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

Thanks, guys

If you look at all the Jets that have gone on to have significant or at least good careers after getting dumped: Woodhead, Santana Moss, Leon Washington, John Abraham, Weatheford, etc... and then to ditch guys like Thomas Jones and Alan Faneca - there seems to be a penchant to constantly reset - excessive tweaking - you start to get the feeling that Rex Ryan is just the next last big thing - I really think Woody has ADD and the juice for him is the chase (Brett Favre, for example).

I remember watching Rex's defense his first year here and saying to myself - holy sh*t - this is like watching Mike Tyson run across the ring and behead his opponents when he was like 17 years old.

between not drafting guys who can bring it and constantly resetting - the Jets do not stand for anything

The Steelers, Giants, Pats (I so f'ing hate them) Ravens, etc... are after it every year

a couple of guys make good points - you just want your team in the mix and then - when the gods smile down on us (David Tyree, etc...) you get yourself an SB or two
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

Woody Johnson takes offense at talk he only cares about PSLs

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 15, 2012, 2:06 PM EST
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Jets owner Woody Johnson is not pleased with the talk that he cares more about how much money he can make from personal seating licenses than he cares about the team’s win-loss record.

Johnson addressed the media today and said that he doesn’t appreciate suggestions that he only wants to add to his billions. Johnson says what he really wants is to win the Super Bowl.

“This I really want to clear up,” Johnson said, via Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News. “You guys have been accusing me of this phony story of me being more concerned with PSLs or cash or something else. Listen, my job 1, 2 and 3 is to win games. That’s why I got into football to begin with – is to win games. It’s not to sell PSLs or anything else. My job is to win games. That’s what my passion is. That’s what I want to do. That’s why I’m spending all this time in this organization. It’s not to sell PSLs or to sell hot dogs.”

Johnson also said he remains committed to Mark Sanchez as the quarterback to lead the team, although he also acknowledged that all players are evaluated on an ongoing basis.

“He is our franchise quarterback,” Johnson said of Sanchez. “That’s what he is.”

But Sanchez is a franchise quarterback who has had a rough season, just like the Jets have. Johnson acknowledges it’s not good enough.

“I didn’t sign up for a 3-6 season. We haven’t had one of these in a while. I’m not happy about it. Yet I am optimistic,” Johnson said.

And when Johnson says he’s optimistic, he means he thinks he’ll some day hold the Vince Lombardi Trophy, not that he’ll lead the league in revenue.



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I hope this can put an end to all the silly PSL talk. This man is all about winning championships.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

If you take him at his word and all he really wants to do is win, that just makes him look like more of a clueless fool than he did when you thought he was in it for the PSL's.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

You have to put a football person in charge of this organization-simple. start drafting better and things will change for the better
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:17 PM

Winner? More like, wiener.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:21 PM

jif man whats happening with the jets?????????????
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