#27TheDominator Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He's not elite. When there is a clear tier above you (Rogers, Brees, Brady, his brother), then you can't really be called elite. And he's only been middle of the pack this year. Right. The problem is that you can't say he isn't the best without people thinking it's some kind of insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He's not elite. When there is a clear tier above you (Rogers, Brees, Brady, his brother), then you can't really be called elite. And he's only been middle of the pack this year. So if beating elite QBs in the Playoffs, like Tom Lady and Rodgers, doesn't make you elite, along with winning 2 RANGS, what does? Or do you just hate the guy? BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He's one of four quarterbacks playing right now that you'd pick to start for your team entering a playoff run. You'd pick him before you'd pick Peyton. That's elite. Even without Peyton he would not be in the Top 4. And most people will go with Peyton over Eli. Way i look it Top 4 without Peyton would be : Brees Brady Ben Rodgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Right. The problem is that you can't say he isn't the best without people thinking it's some kind of insult. He's just better than "elite QBs" when it counts, that's all. But he's not elite. Never will be. Why? I don't know, but...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 What would Jets fans know about Elite QBs anyway...... BD well we do watch our team get beat them almost every time we play one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 well we do watch our team get beat them almost every time we play one We should know who elite is by watching other teams win by now...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So if beating elite QBs in the Playoffs, like Tom Lady and Rodgers, doesn't make you elite, along with winning 2 RANGS, what does? Or do you just hate the guy? BD That argument was already defeated earlier in the thread, why are you trying to make it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So make the argument Eli isn't Elite. You missed your own original point. When the time comes to win the biggest games of the season, he goes out and wins them with excellent passes in the clutch. You want him to be Tim Tebow, garbage for 55 minutes, when you know that's not the case. Now make the argument that his time management and scoring late is irrelevant.... BD Donovan McNabb and Jake Delhomme would disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 You'd pick him. I wouldn't. Pick him over Peyton? Maybe, but that's like saying I'd pick him over Montana. Sure I might NOW, but in their primes? Never, ever, ever. If you're picking Matt Ryan or Matt Schaub over him, you're trying way too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 That argument was already defeated earlier in the thread, why are you trying to make it again? Yeah, a bunch of people lost that argument to me earlier. Tru dat...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah, a bunch of people lost that argument to me earlier. Tru dat...... BD No, I'm pretty sure you lost decisively. It wasn't close. In fact, you gave up. You quit. You're a quitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Anyway, Manning's a good QB, but his team winning 2 super bowls doesn't magically make him a better QB or as good as the elite QB's in the league. The Giants won despite him in the 2007 SB. He threw a pick in the red zone, almost lost 2 fumbles, and got bailed out by Tyree and his defense. And in the SB last year, swap the Giants defense with the swiss cheese NE defense and it would have been a massacre of epic proportions; it would have been a blow out. Everyone would have quit watching at halftime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 No, I'm pretty sure you lost decisively. It wasn't close. In fact, you gave up. You quit. You're a quitter. Come at me bro. Whenever you want me. I'm right here..... Eli beat every "elite QB" head-to-head in the biggest games of the season, and won 2 rangs doing it. But he is not elite. Why? Go....... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 But yeah, BD is totally right. Eli did an amazing job holding New England's historically powerful offense to 17 and 14 points in those SBs. DPOY, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 He has 2 rings, so who cares that he's not really a top 5 QB (and he isnt)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 But yeah, BD is totally right. Eli did an amazing job holding New England's historically powerful offense to 17 and 14 points in those SBs. DPOY, imo. Now who lost the argument so easily? You should at least try to stand up for yourself. Once...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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