HessStation Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I don't know why I have to do this for you but: http://espn.go.com/n...-peyton-manning So you are wrong on that part. Ok? Anything else? BD So does guaranteed money left on contract = automatic cap $ if cut? Just wondering how the cap is affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Hess has to be the only puke on this site that can get so thorougly owned by BD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Interior pass rush strikes me as something that takes a while to learn how to do if the player isn't an athletic freak like Suh. He's already more than solid against the run and I think he's capable of being the type of inside rusher that gets 5-6 sacks a year but ruins a ton more passing plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 No. I said look up, as in I posted the link in the post above yours...... BD Gotcha. I missed that at first. I apologize, you were right that 2013 is guaranteed. But I'm still not sold on how that affects the 2013 cap. Jason's site has a 4.3M hit if cut, which I think is due to the prorated signing bonus. So my question is, even if guaranteed... does base salary affect the cap, if said player is cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 They got the Richard Seymour they wanted, a gem of a player; Brilliant pick, with Coples developing nicely we're looking at having a dominant defensive line for year to come. Now if only we had some ****ing linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 They got the Richard Seymour they wanted, a gem of a player; Brilliant pick, with Coples developing nicely we're looking at having a dominant defensive line for year to come. Now if only we had some ****ing linebackers. Well, if we're counting Davis and taking into consideration we're stuck with Harris, we only need two! Good thing we'll end up around 8-8 and miss out on the studs in the top ten! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 So does guaranteed money left on contract = automatic cap $ if cut? Just wondering how the cap is affected. The cap value is all guaranteed money due in that "league year", plus any prorated, or accelerated, signing bonus money. If he had 4 years left, after this year, the signing bonus, for cap reasons, can be prorated for the next 4 years. But if you cut him with 4 years left, his prorated signing bonus is "accelerated" to the current year's cap balance. His outstanding guaranteed money, throughout those 4 years, would apply to each season going forward as "Dead money", as far as the cap is concerned. "Dead" meaning the player is "dead" to the team, but his cap implications live on..... You folly? BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Hess has to be the only puke on this site that can get so thorougly owned by BD. yeah whatevs. I never considered myself a diehard fan or have acted like a know it all. So anyway... even if guaranteed... does base salary affect the cap, if said player is cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Hess has to be the only puke on this site that can get so thorougly owned by BD. Your ignorance frightens me, so you stay away from me! BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Your ignorance frightens me, so you stay away from me! BD You're on the list. What list you ask? You'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Gotcha. I missed that at first. I apologize, you were right that 2013 is guaranteed. But I'm still not sold on how that affects the 2013 cap. Jason's site has a 4.3M hit if cut, which I think is due to the prorated signing bonus. So my question is, even if guaranteed... does base salary affect the cap, if said player is cut? You have to look at "Cap Value". His Cap value next year is $12M The Negative Cap means on top of any guarantees, like the $8M...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 You're on the list. What list you ask? You'll see. You're on The Black List BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 yeah whatevs. I never considered myself a diehard fan or have acted like a know it all. So anyway... even if guaranteed... does base salary affect the cap, if said player is cut? If it makes you feel any better I didn't read any of your back and forth.. just saw #'s and a link in one of BD's posts so I assumed he owned you. I guess I was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The cap value is all guaranteed money due in that "league year", plus any prorated, or accelerated, signing bonus money. If he had 4 years left, after this year, the signing bonus, for cap reasons, can be prorated for the next 4 years. But if you cut him with 4 years left, his prorated signing bonus is "accelerated" to the current year's cap balance. His outstanding guaranteed money, throughout those 4 years, would apply to each season going forward as "Dead money", as far as the cap is concerned. "Dead" meaning the player is "dead" to the team, but his cap implications live on..... You folly? BD Yep. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 If it makes you feel any better I didn't read any of your back and forth.. just saw #'s and a link in one of BD's posts so I assumed he owned you. I guess I was right. Slight ownage. He def won. I was pretty classy in my defeat, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Slight ownage. He def won. I was pretty classy in my defeat, however. No worries. You have more class than most here. In this Jets forum, that's not saying much. But of course I'm right.........I'M BLACK DYNAMITE! BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 No worries. You have more class than most here. In this Jets forum, that's not saying much. But you have my respect...... BD Pac for example...is gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 On a truly great defense, he's the 3rd best Dlineman on your team (based on his current play). I dont ever see him being a game changer on the Dline, which is what we really need and have not had since Kris Jenkins went down. But he should be a SOLID player for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 He has 2 sacks and 3 FF in 10 games. That's probably why nobody is talking about him..... BD LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wilkerson - Ellis/DeVito - Coples is going to be a beast line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 On a truly great defense, he's the 3rd best Dlineman on your team (based on his current play). I dont ever see him being a game changer on the Dline, which is what we really need and have not had since Kris Jenkins went down. But he should be a SOLID player for a long time. Hasn't he looked like a "game changer" the past two games? Maybe not against powerhouse teams, but he was tossing bodies. It might just be a blip, but I'm hoping it's his coming out party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wilkerson - Ellis/DeVito - Coples is going to be a beast line. Ellis/Devito as your NT might give us the worst NT play in the NFL. Devito is a backup quality player and Ellis has shown little. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 You're on The Black List BD I think you mean Hispanic List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Well, if we're counting Davis and taking into consideration we're stuck with Harris, we only need two! Good thing we'll end up around 8-8 and miss out on the studs in the top ten! Any way the Jets can trade for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pick in this years draft, and the 1st pick for next years draft? Add Jarvis Jones (Rex's new Suggs), Mante Teo (Rex's new Ray, Ray), Star Lotulelei (Rex's new Ngata), and Clowney next season (Rex's new shiney toy he never had before, but is very, very, very, happy to have), sign Landry (pray he stays healthy), draft a Safety in round 2, plug those guys in with Wilkerson, Colpes, Ellis, Davis, Cro, and Revis, and Rex would finally have his version of the 1985 Bears D! Ok now this is where someone who has 3 wishes from a genie comes in, and makes this happen lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Clowney....:drool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It's pretty obvious Big Mo and Coples are more DTs than DEs, and would do well in a true 4-3 defense. The Jets BADLY need some DE pass rushers..... BD i agree totally.mo and coples do their best work in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I think you mean Hispanic List. You're on the Eskimo list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 You're on the Eskimo list. You, and Thor are Eskimo brothers? Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 You mean the part where he misses 3 games and 5 starts in his five years with the team? They are like twins. No, I mean the part where the "planet theory" player doesn't get it done in quite the way we'd hoped. And has knee issues. Robertson cost two firsts and a fourth, not a third, so they aeren't exactly twins. I can be satisfied with a solid contribution from a third rounder. Comparing him to a two-first-and-a-fourth rounder isn't really a knock given his position and cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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