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Pete Carroll: Would've looked at trading for Mark Sanchez in the pre-season


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#1 BlackDynamite

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:45 PM

http://espn.go.com/n...set-fail-season

Read between the lines of this article. Pete isn't exactly trying to be clever with his words, or meaning:




On March 21, the New York Jets acquired Tim Tebow from the Denver Broncos. Before the ink dried on the deal, one veteran quarterback coach suggested that the newly-extended Mark Sanchez should go directly to the front office and ask for a trade. TheSeattle Seahawks, led by Sanchez's old USC coach, Pete Carroll, were in the market for a QB, the NFL draft was a few weeks away, and Sanchez might have had options.

"He should've walked straight up to the front office," said the coach. "That's a no-win situation."

Last Sunday's victory in St. Louis -- where Sanchez completed 15 of 20 passes for 178 yards and a touchdown and didn't turn the ball over -- gives the Jets' starter a little breathing space in the middle of a difficult season.



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Al Pereira/New York Jets/Getty ImagesMark Sanchez looked uncomfortable from the start.


Still, this quarterback drama has too often been a comedy of errors. Many are Sanchez's own, but this year is inevitably a product of that March decision. How many teams bring in a backup and are immediately asked when he will start? How many teams game plan each week for their backup? How many neglect critical roster needs while holding a news conference to welcome a celebrity role player?

Overall, Sanchez has not played well for the 4-6 Jets. The offense produced just six points in two games before the much-needed Rams win, and the starting quarterback has thrown four interceptions in the red zone. But, with a sports psychology book tucked into his locker, Sanchez is still the most proficient quarterback on the Jets' roster. Jets coach Rex Ryan has repeatedly backed him this season even as some fans and critics clamor to hand the ball to Tebow.

Sanchez is well aware of the criticism.

"Don't let what somebody else says affect [how you do your job], 'Well, maybe I need to do this more or that more,' because it's just an avalanche," Sanchez said. "You fall into that trap and it will never end. You have to stay true to what you know, keep trusting yourself and like [Nick] Mangold says, keep slinging it."

A struggling starter and a Wildcat specialist. It's hardly the quarterback battle that onlookers expected. There is plenty of blame to go around, starting with the front office.



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Al Pereira/New York Jets/Getty ImagesThis season has been hard to watch for them, too.


The Jets had already signed a new backup quarterback before March 21: Drew Stanton. He was a Jet for a week.

Rather than sign two backups, Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum might have opted to focus on any of the other glaring holes in the Jets' offense. Right tackle had been an issue, or finding a capable and experienced red zone receiver with Plaxico Burress gone. The wide receiver position had been a round robin since Sanchez's arrival -- Jerricho Cotchery, Braylon Edwards and Burress had come and gone.

Their replacements? Chaz Schilens, Clyde Gates and rookie Stephen Hill, who needs Stickum for his gloves. Dustin Keller has been the only constant for the developing quarterback and he spent the first part of the season hurt, and then Santonio Holmes went down with a Lisfranc injury.

Look at it from the starter's point of view: Sanchez was not set up to succeed this season. From the moment training camp opened, football analysts were guessing how many weeks it would be until Sanchez lost his starting job. The Jets even orchestrated competing media scrums, Tebow vs. Sanchez. Sanchez -- a confidence player -- has to put on a smile while seeing seeds of locker-room discontent grow around him.



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Brad Penner/US PresswireSanchez believes Tim Tebow's not the problem.


It took Sanchez a week to get on a conference call after Tebow came on board. He said all the right things, but he couldn't have been happy. When asked about Tebow's role in September, Sanchez joked, "Selling seats, man."

Listen to Carroll, who certainly has inside information. "This whole [Tebow] factor has been really hard on him," Sanchez's old coach said.

The good thing is that many of the players in his own locker room see that their starter has been dealt a raw hand. The stilted offense that has Sanchez in running a conventional quarterback system is intermittently replaced by Tebow's Wildcat or option scheme. It hasn't worked, and often disrupts the flow of Sanchez's next play.

When asked about the obvious miscalculation this two-system offense has been, Ryan, owner Woody Johnson and new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano spin that they are a play or two away from busting games open, or that the jury is still out.

It's not. Aside from being a win, the Rams game was notable for how little Tebow was inserted into the offense.



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Jim McIsaac/Getty ImagesOffensive breakdowns have kept him grounded.


Truth is, the situation hasn't been any better for Tebow, who has all but disappeared into the Jets' locker room. Now when pundits discuss Tebow's effectiveness, it's from a historical perspective.

This experiment has failed, and given his guaranteed money Sanchez will likely remain a Jet. Some fans might not get up and cheer about that.

But Sanchez can rewrite the narrative starting now. He will have to rise above the drops and interceptions, and win despite having some second-rate teammates. The running game will have to produce against the Patriots the same way it did against the Rams.

He could look at this season like a bad setup from the start, but this is Sanchez's opportunity to grow up. The Jets aren't out of it yet.

And it's way too late to angle for that trade to Seattle.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:04 PM

Sweet, more fake quotes from the second most annoying poster on the site.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:07 PM

Sweet, more fake quotes from the second most annoying poster on the site.


Do you see any quotes?

Oh......

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Edited by BlackDynamite, 21 November 2012 - 11:11 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:28 PM

The whole "acquiring Tebow made Sanchez suck more" thing is as dumb as "we need a guy who can design, plan, and call an offense into production."
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:30 PM

The whole "acquiring Tebow made Sanchez suck more" thing is as dumb as "we need a guy who can design, plan, and call an offense into production."


As we can see, it damn sure didn't help Sanchez......
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:39 PM

Do you see any quotes?

Oh......

I'm going for #1! I'm the best! I'm Black Dynamite!
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In the thread title you intimated that Carroll said the he would have considered trading for Sanchez, he said no such thing.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:49 PM

In the thread title you intimated that Carroll said the he would have considered trading for Sanchez, he said no such thing.

You'll always be #2 as long as I'm around.


I can intimate anything I want. That's a lot different than quoting, isn't it?

Reading the article, it's not even an intimation. He was longing for a veteran, and didn't want to throw Wilson to the wolves.

You must be #1.....
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Edited by BlackDynamite, 21 November 2012 - 11:50 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:59 PM

Oh yeah, because Mark Sanchez is suuuuuuuuuuch a great QB... I'm sure a whole bunch of organizations would have been interested in getting him on an extended deal. God forbid the guy has a backup behind him with a whopping ~50% completion percentage. Such pressure for our poor baby QB. Give me a break.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:30 AM

Former Jet coach Pete Carroll took former Jet Braylon Edwards, and I'm sure pairing him with his former QB Sanchez would have been appealing.

Rookie Russell Wilson didn't take the starting job, pretty much by default, until a couple of weeks into the pre-season.....
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Edited by BlackDynamite, 22 November 2012 - 03:31 AM.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

How much is Pete Carroll loving the double-vindication of a. Watching the franchise who fired him for Rich Kotite suck and b. Watching the QB he knew was only half-baked flop in the pros?
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:38 AM

How much is Pete Carroll loving the double-vindication of a. Watching the franchise who fired him for Rich Kotite suck and b. Watching the QB he knew was only half-baked flop in the pros?


What article are you reading?

1. He coached him at USC, and loved him. After three years in the pros, and a change of scenery, he COULD'VE blossomed somewhere else. With his old coach, with his old WR (B. Edwards) would not have been a bad idea.

2. He just basically told you he would have loved to trade for him earlier this year
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:41 AM

What article are you reading?

1. He coached him at USC, and loved him. After three years in the pros, and a change of scenery, he COULD'VE blossomed somewhere else. With his old coach, with his old WR (B. Edwards) would not have been a bad idea.

2. He just basically told you he would have loved to trade for him earlier this year
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It read the same exact way as when I tell my ex-girlfriends that I'm sorry it didn't work out between us.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

This trade supposedly would have taken place in preseason. The Seahawks were going to have to trade Flynn for Sanchez because otherwise the math doesn't work.Despite drafting Wilson hard to see how they could justify signing Flynn and then dealing him. Jets are capbale of ushc silliness with Stanton, but few other teams are so dumb. Odd thing is if it was real suspect the Jets might still be willing to do that this offseason. But also perhaps Carroll is simply being polite to a former player who sucks balls because Sanchez is so freaking terrible.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:57 AM

Sweet, more fake quotes from the second most annoying poster on the site.

It depends on which day you check ... he can be #1 when the other stooge is reading comic books and doesn't post a lot ...
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:20 PM

This trade supposedly would have taken place in preseason. The Seahawks were going to have to trade Flynn for Sanchez because otherwise the math doesn't work.Despite drafting Wilson hard to see how they could justify signing Flynn and then dealing him. Jets are capbale of ushc silliness with Stanton, but few other teams are so dumb. Odd thing is if it was real suspect the Jets might still be willing to do that this offseason. But also perhaps Carroll is simply being polite to a former player who sucks balls because Sanchez is so freaking terrible.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:06 PM

There are no quotes or anything to be inferred that Pete Carrol would've traded for Sanchez. It was the journalist who said Sanchez may have had options. If you want to read between the lines, it's another Tebow article. This whole angle was relevant in the preseason, not today.

Edited by BleedGreen314, 22 November 2012 - 01:08 PM.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

The more BD annoys Thor, the more I like him.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

The more BD annoys Thor, the more I like him.


What's a Thor anyway?
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:18 PM

What's a Thor anyway?
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Someone who intimates with a hammer :/
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:05 PM

Someone who intimates with a hammer :/


I'll write that down....
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