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[BlackDynamite]

While your argument that you win with offense is true, and I don't contest it.

Your claim that Gruden is the best qualified, by far, to be our offense-focused head coach is 1.) factually disputable; 2.) misguided. As I said earlier, you want to replace one head coach who has isolated expertise with another, all you are doing is CHANGING the imbalance by shifting from defense to offense. You aren't FIXING the imbalance.

BTW, Dungy couldn't win in Tampa with that D, but Gruden could?

That's saying something about Dungy (Like he needed Peyton Manning to get the job done), and that's saying something about Gruden

Advantage = Gruden

Name me a available coach is is an offensive and defensive genius?

Coaches are just offensive, or defensive coordinators, who got a promotion. They are great at one side of the ball, and their first job is to find a complimentary OC/DC who will cover the other side effectively.

Gruden fixed the Bucs' weakness, and you know the rest of the story......
BD

Edited by BlackDynamite, 25 November 2012 - 12:19 PM.

[afosomf]

There was a split second where I actually believed Kiffin could call a play for 1 yard and the Gators could catch a break and pull a last years Bama, but you gotta give ND credit, that was a huge goal line stand.

Kiffin is an effen moron, i am convinced USC wins with barkley though

[afosomf]

There was a split second where I actually believed Kiffin could call a play for 1 yard and the Gators could catch a break and pull a last years Bama, but you gotta give ND credit, that was a huge goal line stand.

also very proud of SEC for kicking ACC royal azz, Florida Ga USC and Vandy well done Salute

I hear Vatech and NC state want to jump next, not sure why FSU doesnt bolt

[Matt39]

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Edited by Matt39, 25 November 2012 - 01:00 PM.

[Integrity28]

BTW, Dungy couldn't win in Tampa with that D, but Gruden could?

That's saying something about Dungy (Like he needed Peyton Manning to get the job done), and that's saying something about Gruden

Advantage = Gruden

Name me a available coach is is an offensive and defensive genius?

Coaches are just offensive, or defensive coordinators, who got a promotion. They are great at one side of the ball, and their first job is to find a complimentary OC/DC who will cover the other side effectively.

Gruden fixed the Bucs' weakness, and you know the rest of the story......
BD

The bold just isn't true.

The debate has become circuitous. If Gruden, at his age, was a capable head coach - he'd be one.

You keep throwing Dungy back at me, and you are missing the bigger statement I'm making. I want a head coach that can run a WHOLE team. Not just another over-promoted coordinator, which is what you are advocating. And what you are ultimately wrong about.

Gruden isn't the fix here, not if his best offering is to be able to coach up a QB. That just means there's a whole lot of other dimensions of the team that get neglected, just like now with everything outside of the defense with Rex.

Dungy won more than he lost, he left a team behind in Tampa that basically ran itself and was primed for a SB run. You are naive to think Gruden did much of anything to power that team along other than show up and be "fiery", just like we were all naive to think Rex was responsible for his first season as coach here. Veteran players had more to do with Rex's success than Rex, same goes for Gruden's SB in Tampa.

Regardless, I don't expect to change your opinion - and I do expect to have to read it redundantly for the months to come.

I'm just going on record telling you you are wrong. Another over-promoted coordinator with a singular area of expertise is not what we need. We need someone like Andy Reid who runs a whole football operation, has a track record of sustained competitiveness and success. Doesn't need to be Dungy, though I do think Dungy would be successful.

[jetsfan2400]

I Agree with everything. Sean Payton would be the one.

[BlackDynamite]

The bold just isn't true.

The debate has become circuitous. If Gruden, at his age, was a capable head coach - he'd be one.

You keep throwing Dungy back at me, and you are missing the bigger statement I'm making. I want a head coach that can run a WHOLE team. Not just another over-promoted coordinator, which is what you are advocating. And what you are ultimately wrong about.

Gruden isn't the fix here, not if his best offering is to be able to coach up a QB. That just means there's a whole lot of other dimensions of the team that get neglected, just like now with everything outside of the defense with Rex.

Dungy won more than he lost, he left a team behind in Tampa that basically ran itself and was primed for a SB run. You are naive to think Gruden did much of anything to power that team along other than show up and be "fiery", just like we were all naive to think Rex was responsible for his first season as coach here. Veteran players had more to do with Rex's success than Rex, same goes for Gruden's SB in Tampa.

Regardless, I don't expect to change your opinion - and I do expect to have to read it redundantly for the months to come.

I'm just going on record telling you you are wrong. Another over-promoted coordinator with a singular area of expertise is not what we need. We need someone like Andy Reid who runs a whole football operation, has a track record of sustained competitiveness and success. Doesn't need to be Dungy, though I do think Dungy would be successful.

You failed to give me a coach who CAN "run" the whole team. Because you know that's not how football teams work.

So we will agree to disagree....
BD

[Integrity28]

You failed to give me a coach who CAN "run" the whole team. Because you know that's not how football teams work.

So we will agree to disagree....
BD

I gave you two. Dungy and Cowher, I also added Andy Reid.

WTF are you talking about? All three have proven over multiple season that they can and do manage the WHOLE without a bias to one side of the ball, and without resting on the laurels of what they did as a coordinator/position coach as the strength that they bring to the table that outweighs short-comings in every other area of the team.

3 examples.

Not only did I prove you wrong. I also proved you don't have the courtesy (or ability) to read and comprehend the other side of a debate, and thus render yourself yet another moot poster here on the site.

[BlackDynamite]

I gave you two. Dungy and Cowher, I also added Andy Reid.

WTF are you talking about? All three have proven over multiple season that they can and do manage the WHOLE without a bias to one side of the ball, and without resting on the laurels of what they did as a coordinator/position coach as the strength that they bring to the table that outweighs short-comings in every other area of the team.

3 examples.

Not only did I prove you wrong. I also proved you don't have the courtesy (or ability) to read and comprehend the other side of a debate, and thus render yourself yet another moot poster here on the site.

Three wrong examples.
They don't run the offense and the defense. You should know that by now.

Reid is an offensive guy. he doesn't run defenses.
Jimmy Johnson ran the Eagles D for eons, and made them among the leagues best.
And they've gone through two DCs this year

Dungy was a DC.
Gruden was an offensive guru.

Many coaches don't "run" either, and are extremely successful. Tom Coughlin doesn't take a side.
Some coaches want to "run" a side. Some run neither. NONE "run" both. Coaching the team is tough enough.

Try to keep up.......
BD

Edited by BlackDynamite, 25 November 2012 - 09:21 PM.

[Integrity28]

Three wrong examples.
They don't run the offense and the defense. You should know that by now.

Reid is an offensive guy. he doesn't run defenses.
Jimmy Johnson ran the Eagles D for eons, and made them among the leagues best.
And they've gone through two DCs this year

Dungy was a DC.
Gruden was an offensive guru.

Many coaches don't "run" either, and are extremely successful. Tom Coughlin doesn't take a side.
Some coaches want to "run" a side. Some run neither. NONE "run" both. Coaching the team is tough enough.

Try to keep up.......
BD

Many coaches don't "run" either... but you just said that's not how football works.

You've completely contradicted your previous response. All 3 of the guys I brought up are complete head coaches, as I've explained. You are back-pedaling and telling ME to keep up only adds uninformed arrogance to your dense position.

STFU

You've proven to have no valid point of view.

[BlackDynamite]

Many coaches don't "run" either... but you just said that's not how football works.

You've completely contradicted your previous response. All 3 of the guys I brought up are complete head coaches, as I've explained. You are back-pedaling and telling ME to keep up only adds uninformed arrogance to your dense position.

STFU

You've proven to have no valid point of view.

Now you are just desperate. You got served.

Good day, sir.....
BD

[Integrity28]

Now you are just desperate. You got served.

Good day, sir.....
BD

So you are a 15 year old white girl?

You are quite possibly the worst debater here. It's a good thing you over-compensate for that short-coming by starting as many sh*tty threads as you can every day.

Goofball.

[BlackDynamite]

So you are a 15 year old white girl?

You are quite possibly the worst debater here. It's a good thing you over-compensate for that short-coming by starting as many sh*tty threads as you can every day.

Goofball.

I SAID GOOD DAY!
BD

[BleedGreen314]

Is this a thread about buttseks?

[Bugg]

Is this a thread about buttseks?

Tony Dungy would not approve.

[LionelRichie]

Name me a available coach is is an offensive and defensive genius?

Coaches are just offensive, or defensive coordinators, who got a promotion.

HELLO? You play to win the game!

[unbanmadmike1]

If they bring that overrated clown Tony Dungy here I might be done with the Jets for good.

Also BD coaches are NOT all just OC's or DC's that were promoted. How about a great college coach like Brian Kelly or David Shaw? Look at the job Harbaugh is doing in SF and Schiano in TB.

[SayNoToDMC]

I want to make a run at Joani Harbaugh. That family sh*ts victory and she's the only one not under contract. Even her husband is now coaching the number one team in college basketball.

[Scott Dierking]

I gave you two. Dungy and Cowher, I also added Andy Reid.

WTF are you talking about? All three have proven over multiple season that they can and do manage the WHOLE without a bias to one side of the ball, and without resting on the laurels of what they did as a coordinator/position coach as the strength that they bring to the table that outweighs short-comings in every other area of the team.

3 examples.

Not only did I prove you wrong. I also proved you don't have the courtesy (or ability) to read and comprehend the other side of a debate, and thus render yourself yet another moot poster here on the site.

Andy Reid had nothing to do with the Eagles defense. During their limelight years that was all Jim Johnson.

Reid is an offensive coach and veers to the passing game as much as Rex veers to the running game. he will get a QB killed with the Jets. i would want no part of him. Horrible game day manager and horrible with managing a clock.

Brilliant offensive coach, but stubborn

[unbanmadmike1]

Andy Reid had nothing to do with the Eagles defense. During their limelight years that was all Jim Johnson.

Reid is an offensive coach and veers to the passing game as much as Rex veers to the running game. he will get a QB killed with the Jets. i would want no part of him. Horrible game day manager and horrible with managing a clock.

Brilliant offensive coach, but stubborn

If you give Reid an Oline starting with Moore, DBrick and Mangold he'll build a good offense. These D first "ground and pound" teams can't win in the NFL in 2012.

Edited by unbanmadmike1, 26 November 2012 - 10:55 AM.