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[JFtoLong]

I still think this mess personnel wise is more Rex than Tanny.

They both need to go!

[SpartanJet]

Even if thats true, its the GM's job to make the roster and another reason to get a real GM who knows about football not bean counting.

[Pac]

kind of hard to take the bag over the head thing seriously when there hasn't been a losing season in 5 years.

[Blackout]

kind of hard to take the bag over the head thing seriously when there hasn't been a losing season in 5 years.

I understand where you're coming from


BUT the fact that the Jets went into this season with absolutely NO upgrades on offense (i.e. cutting Plaxico and replacing him with Clyde Gates, Stephen "the ghost" Hill and the legendary Chaz Schilens...giving Sanchez a fat extension after the Tebow trade....keeping McElroy even though he's a jerk.....besies Powell (his second year) what is there to be excited about on this offense?

basically the Jets we're prepared to fail fro the get-go when they HAD chances to bring back Cotchery and Plax and/or bring in a free agent

and on the defensive side the only plus I see is Laron Landry but he'll be gone next year

[afosomf]

The only way Woody will fire Tanny and Rex is if the stadium is empty for next 2 home games. At the very least a well orchestrated blackout with airplane banners flying, like chefs fans are doing.

Otherwise both circus clowns will still be here next yr. the ball is in Jet fans hands mon

[BleedGreen314]

kind of hard to take the bag over the head thing seriously when there hasn't been a losing season in 5 years.

Thats true I guess. When your franchise QB is threading the needle, the offense and defense are only missing one guy each and are firing on all cylinders, and the lockerroom is united behind the coach and veteran leadership, there is no reason to get worked up over a little bump in the road towards destiny.

[JFtoLong]

Thats true I guess. When your franchise QB is threading the needle, the offense and defense are only missing one guy each and are firing on all cylinders, and the lockerroom is united behind the coach and veteran leadership, there is no reason to get worked up over a little bump in the road towards destiny.

This is the issue, this franchise has gone backwards in the last 4 years, and not by a little, by a huge margin.

And worse yet, there is no hope for the foreseeable future.

This team is a mess in so many places, with cap issues, and the better players, the few that we have, are older and overpaid.

If you believe in trend, we are heading towards Kotite type bad again, and the HC and GM are delirious, Rex telling us this was his best team yet, and Tanny saying we are a few plays away.

I know we will stay the coarse, we are the Jets after all, and this will have to get much, much worse before the moron owner changes coarse.

[slats]

This is the issue, this franchise has gone backwards in the last 4 years, and not by a little, by a huge margin.

So in two of the four years that the franchise has allegedly been going backwards, they made it to the AFC Championship Game? The same number of times they made it to said game in the previous 40 years? But the last four, yeah, that's been the real downwards turning point for the organization. By a huge margin. Okay, got it.

This season sucks, but the hyperbole is really off the charts.

[Matt39]

So in two of the four years that the franchise has allegedly been going backwards, they made it to the AFC Championship Game? The same number of times they made it to said game in the previous 40 years? But the last four, yeah, that's been the real downwards turning point for the organization. By a huge margin. Okay, got it.

This season sucks, but the hyperbole is really off the charts.

The talent level of this team is probably the worst I've seen in my years of watching the Jets other than 1995 and 2005.

Edited by Matt39, 25 November 2012 - 12:07 PM.

[slats]

The talent level of this team is probably the worst I've seen in my years of watching the Jets other than 1995 and 2005.

That's not a four year decline, though. In the last couple years players got old, and arguably the two best players on the roster are out for the season with injuries.

It all falls on Tannenbaum, who extended players who shouldn't've been extended to expensive deals they never would've gotten anywhere else, costing himself valuable cap space to find replacements. All while simultaneously trading away draft picks for other expensive players, further destroying any chance of developing genuine depth. There's no pipeline of talent on this team. Starters get hurt, or grow old and ineffective, and there's no one to step up. Tanny held it together with luck and band-aids for a couple years while they pursued a championship, but now his methods have hit the wall hard. And there's no way I trust the guy to build from the ground up in the proper way - thru the draft.

[spjets]

airplane banners flying, like chefs fans are doing

Are they really ...lol

[afosomf]

Are they really ...lol

Oh yea free the Chefs Fire Pioli

[JFtoLong]

That's not a four year decline, though. In the last couple years players got old, and arguably the two best players on the roster are out for the season with injuries.

It all falls on Tannenbaum, who extended players who shouldn't've been extended to expensive deals they never would've gotten anywhere else, costing himself valuable cap space to find replacements. All while simultaneously trading away draft picks for other expensive players, further destroying any chance of developing genuine depth. There's no pipeline of talent on this team. Starters get hurt, or grow old and ineffective, and there's no one to step up. Tanny held it together with luck and band-aids for a couple years while they pursued a championship, but now his methods have hit the wall hard. And there's no way I trust the guy to build from the ground up in the proper way - thru the draft.

I'm not sure how you can say it all falls on Tanny.

Is he a part of this, sure, but he has never been a true GM.

He is more of an assistant to the HC than a GM, always has been.

This is Rex's team way more than Tanny. From the CB obsession, to the drafting of defense with the majority of high draft picks, to the players he extended.

Rex hired Sparano.

This is way more Rex than Tanny.

Both need to go, don't get me wrong, but those thinking this is Tanny's team are sorely mistaken.

[slats]

I'm not sure how you can say it all falls on Tanny.

Is he a part of this, sure, but he has never been a true GM.

He is more of an assistant to the HC than a GM, always has been.

This is Rex's team way more than Tanny. From the CB obsession, to the drafting of defense with the majority of high draft picks, to the players he extended.

Rex hired Sparano.

This is way more Rex than Tanny.

Both need to go, don't get me wrong, but those thinking this is Tanny's team are sorely mistaken.

Your dislike of Ryan is causing you to absolve Tanny. Tanny hired Rex. Tanny is Rex's boss. Tannenbaum's job is to bring in personnel. He has every right to overrule Rex. In fact, on Hard Kocks, Rex talked about how Tanny gives him one draft pick - and that year it was a fifth rounder. The personnel is Tannenbaum's responsibility, and he's failed in that job.

Working for a competent GM, Rex would be a quality coach. Conversely, no coach could get much more out of this excuse for talent than Rex has.

[JFtoLong]

Your dislike of Ryan is causing you to absolve Tanny. Tanny hired Rex. Tanny is Rex's boss. Tannenbaum's job is to bring in personnel. He has every right to overrule Rex. In fact, on Hard Kocks, Rex talked about how Tanny gives him one draft pick - and that year it was a fifth rounder. The personnel is Tannenbaum's responsibility, and he's failed in that job.

Working for a competent GM, Rex would be a quality coach. Conversely, no coach could get much more out of this excuse for talent than Rex has.

I'm not absolving Tanny at all, I want Him gone too.

Rex getting one draft pick is a huge misconception.

Rex is telling the FO and scouts what he needs, the scouts and FO evaluate talent and make the pick.

This is on both, Rex and Tanny as I've said.

Rex is the one calling for the corners and the dineman overmoffensive skilled players.

This year may have been the first time that changed with the Hill pick, and Rex was pissed about drafting a WR when this team so desperately needs offensive playmakers, unfortunately it's a few years too late.

This team is a reflection of Rex and his philosophy, as it should be. The HC should have that say, and Rex does.

Unfortunately Rex is way out of touch with the current NFL, and the team sucks.

Edited by JFtoLong, 25 November 2012 - 05:34 PM.

[artemusclyde]

Your dislike of Ryan is causing you to absolve Tanny. Tanny hired Rex. Tanny is Rex's boss. Tannenbaum's job is to bring in personnel. He has every right to overrule Rex. In fact, on Hard Kocks, Rex talked about how Tanny gives him one draft pick - and that year it was a fifth rounder. The personnel is Tannenbaum's responsibility, and he's failed in that job.

Working for a competent GM, Rex would be a quality coach. Conversely, no coach could get much more out of this excuse for talent than Rex has.

You cannot seriously be telling us that you believe that Rex doesn't have a big sway on who get's drafted. Plus, the loss of the locker room and the crap talent have a lot to do with Rex. Rex is an overrated coach that has lost control of the locker room and needs to be fired along with Tanny. It's time to rebuild, and if you support rebuilding, then Rex has got to go because no good GM is going to want to be tied to Rex. A new GM is going to want to bring in his own guys and Rex is going to have to go.

[JFtoLong]

You cannot seriously be telling us that you believe that Rex doesn't have a big sway on who get's drafted. Plus, the loss of the locker room and the crap talent have a lot to do with Rex. Rex is an overrated coach that has lost control of the locker room and needs to be fired along with Tanny. It's time to rebuild, and if you support rebuilding, then Rex has got to go because no good GM is going to want to be tied to Rex. A new GM is going to want to bring in his own guys and Rex is going to have to go.

Yup, 100% correct.

[slats]

You cannot seriously be telling us that you believe that Rex doesn't have a big sway on who get's drafted. Plus, the loss of the locker room and the crap talent have a lot to do with Rex. Rex is an overrated coach that has lost control of the locker room and needs to be fired along with Tanny. It's time to rebuild, and if you support rebuilding, then Rex has got to go because no good GM is going to want to be tied to Rex. A new GM is going to want to bring in his own guys and Rex is going to have to go.

The responsibility is Tannenbaum's. If he leaned to heavily on Rex, that's also his fault. He needs to overrule the coach on personnel matters for the good of the team.

Rex needs to be in a traditional organization where the GM buys the groceries, and the HC cooks the meal.

Do you honestly think anyone could coach this current assembly of talent with any better results than Rex is getting? My feeling is no.

[RSJ]

Right before Rex goes to bed every night, he should give Eric Mangini a call and thank him and Tanny for putting together a team that has allowed him to last this long as a head coach. Then he should call Woody and apologize for messing up one of the most talented Jets rosters ever by not winning a championship with it. Rex is a complete joke.

[RSJ]

The responsibility is Tannenbaum's. If he leaned to heavily on Rex, that's also his fault. He needs to overrule the coach on personnel matters for the good of the team.

Rex needs to be in a traditional organization where the GM buys the groceries, and the HC cooks the meal.

Do you honestly think anyone could coach this current assembly of talent with any better results than Rex is getting? My feeling is no.

Thats not how it works here dude. Ever since Parcells the Jets philosophy has been that the coach cooks the dinner and therefor shops for his own groceries. This has been well documented throughout this era since Parcells left. The GM tries to get it to work within the cap, deals with the agents, ect.

Edited by RSJ, 25 November 2012 - 06:09 PM.