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[BroadwayJoe12]

Nah.

They'll extend David Harris until he's 34 to lower his 2013 cap number and use that space to sign Freeney and Osi to be our pass rushers. Both will sign long-term deals with $30M+ guaranteed apiece, with low cap numbers in year 1 that will help blow up the influx of cap relief we were otherwise going to get in 2014 and beyond. They'll both still be good players in 2013 and the pre-season hype for how good they'll be will make it sound better than if we got both of them 6-8 years ago.

We'll also lower Revis' 2013 cap number by $1-2M by extending him a new contract that averages $17M/year. Revis will of course hold out 2 years into this new deal because even though his cap number will be $18M, his "base salary" will be only $8M and that will be too insulting for someone like him to play for.

Then they'll sign Dwayne Bowe for $14M/year with $42M guaranteed. He'll only put up about 800 yards with Sanchez throwing the rock, convincing his devout supporters that for (what will be) 5 years, we still haven't provided him with a real "true #1" receiver. But the seats will be filled because we Jets fans want to believe so badly we will ignore what is apparent to the rest of planet earth.

We still won't win anything, and it will keep us in cap hell for an extra 3 seasons, but it will help to bring the 2013 Jets from 4 wins to 8.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Nah.

paraphrase for sake of length "won't cut sanchez and......many horrible contract extensions and signings, which will non-lube anally penetrate us for a few more years...."

I have a feeling that this is more likely the course, unfortunately. The two biggest needs this team has had for as long as I can really remember; elite pass rusher and elite quarterback, which just so happens to be the two most important postions in the modern era of football. It doesn't look like we are going to get the latter this year, but the former is certainly achieveable. This is the best draft in recent memory for high-end pass-rushers and we are gauranteed to be in a spot to land at least one of Jones, Mingo, Moore, Montgomery or maybe even Ansah (favorites being Jones, More Mingo in that order... Ansah will get the JPP comparisons without a doubt). Interior line is also a strong part of this draft, but if we draft Chance Warmack with our first rounder I might shoot someone; while it's a big need, OG is not going to have the same impact that one of these pass rushers will. Especially considering they're replacing absolutely abysmal play from Thomas and Pace.

If we do land an OLB with our first rounder, I would be fine with targeting an interior lineman with our second if the value is there, but would also not be opposed to selecting a QB to sit for a year, like Bray, Wilson or maybe even Glennon. This could be in the 3rd or middle rounds, as hopefully Keller and some other guys sign bigger contracts elsewhere and we land some high compensatory picks.

If we are able to solidify a pass-rusher and interior lineman in this draft, it will help set us up quite well for 2014 when we can be major players. We'd have our entire dline set as well as two speedy linebackers in Davis and Mingo/Jones et. al and just need to start from there. This won't happen, but it's what I would like to happen.

Edited by BroadwayJoe12, 25 November 2012 - 01:17 PM.

[Sperm Edwards]

I have a feeling that this is more likely the course, unfortunately. The two biggest needs this team has had for as long as I can really remember; elite pass rusher and elite quarterback, which just so happens to be the two most important postions in the modern era of football. It doesn't look like we are going to get the latter this year, but the former is certainly achieveable. This is the best draft in recent memory for high-end pass-rushers and we are gauranteed to be in a spot to land at least one of Jones, Mingo, Moore, Montgomery or maybe even Ansah (favorites being Jones, More Mingo in that order... Ansah will get the JPP comparisons without a doubt). Interior line is also a strong part of this draft, but if we draft Chance Warmack with our first rounder I might shoot someone; while it's a big need, OG is not going to have the same impact that one of these pass rushers will. Especially considering they're replacing absolutely abysmal play from Thomas and Pace.

If we do land an OLB with our first rounder, I would be fine with targeting an interior lineman with our second if the value is there, but would also not be opposed to selecting a QB to sit for a year, like Bray, Wilson or maybe even Glennon. This could be in the 3rd or middle rounds, as hopefully Keller and some other guys sign bigger contracts elsewhere and we land some high compensatory picks.

If we are able to solidify a pass-rusher and interior lineman in this draft, it will help set us up quite well for 2014 when we can be major players. We'd have our entire dline set as well as two speedy linebackers in Davis and Mingo/Jones et. al and just need to start from there. This won't happen, but it's what I would like to happen.

If Keller signs elsewhere in 2013 we wouldn't get a compensatory pick until 2014. And even that is subject to us not signing a UFA from someone else that would cancel it out.

[CrazyCarl40]

Pretty sure the title of this thread should be 2014.

[BroadwayJoe12]

If Keller signs elsewhere in 2013 we wouldn't get a compensatory pick until 2014. And even that is subject to us not signing a UFA from someone else that would cancel it out.

Ahh sh*t that's right, I forgot it was the following year. Well regardless, we actually have a plethora of medium to fairly high profile free agents, all of whom could and should get multi-year deals. If tanny/whatever GM is smart, they'll realize we don't have the cap space, won't make any stupid extensions and let those guys sign elsewhere as Keller, Landry, Bell, Greene, Devito??, Moore will definitely draw interest. I forget the rule, so correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't lose compensatory picks by resigning our own correct? So if we just focus on signing folk, malone and then one of the Bell and Landry, and maybe one of Slauson/Moore, we should be in very good situation for 2014. There's also guys like Hilliard, Schillens and the one of Slauson/Moore we didn't sign who could land a spot somewheres else.

I know it won't happen, but if whatever GM plays his cards right, this team could be built quite well over the next two years, with a lot of cap room to be major players coming into 2014.

I know it would probably be extremely frowned upon, but what about signing Vick to compete with sanchez as a backup? Give him a one year deal to prove himself, then let him walk in 2014 regardless. The FO gets to save face by making a camp competition, we don't hamstring ourselves by giving out any ridiculous contracts, he'd give us an additional pick possibly, while still providing us with chances to win games.

[Sperm Edwards]

Ahh sh*t that's right, I forgot it was the following year. Well regardless, we actually have a plethora of medium to fairly high profile free agents, all of whom could and should get multi-year deals. If tanny/whatever GM is smart, they'll realize we don't have the cap space, won't make any stupid extensions and let those guys sign elsewhere as Keller, Landry, Bell, Greene, Devito??, Moore will definitely draw interest. I forget the rule, so correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't lose compensatory picks by resigning our own correct? So if we just focus on signing folk, malone and then one of the Bell and Landry, and maybe one of Slauson/Moore, we should be in very good situation for 2014. There's also guys like Hilliard, Schillens and the one of Slauson/Moore we didn't sign who could land a spot somewheres else.

I know it won't happen, but if whatever GM plays his cards right, this team could be built quite well over the next two years, with a lot of cap room to be major players coming into 2014.

I know it would probably be extremely frowned upon, but what about signing Vick to compete with sanchez as a backup? Give him a one year deal to prove himself, then let him walk in 2014 regardless. The FO gets to save face by making a camp competition, we don't hamstring ourselves by giving out any ridiculous contracts, he'd give us an additional pick possibly, while still providing us with chances to win games.

Some of them don't really matter, or don't matter much. If we re-sign Bell, then the most we're forgoing is a compensatory 7th because of the type of contract he's likely to garner from someone else. It's really nothing more than getting a first crack at someone who would have been UDFA.

If we re-sign Keller, then yes that one way of looking at it is we're passing on a pick at the bottom of round 4-5 in 2014. I don't expect him to fetch the value of a 3rd round comp pick, but you never know.

If we sign FAs who were cut by their former teams then it doesn't count. Unless it's someone special, this year I'd stay away from FAs whose contracts ran out with their former teams. Even crappy ones can cancel out a significant FA loss from the Jets.

[T0mShane]

Nah.

They'll extend David Harris until he's 34 to lower his 2013 cap number and use that space to sign Freeney and Osi to be our pass rushers. Both will sign long-term deals with $30M+ guaranteed apiece, with low cap numbers in year 1 that will help blow up the influx of cap relief we were otherwise going to get in 2014 and beyond. They'll both still be good players in 2013 and the pre-season hype for how good they'll be will make it sound better than if we got both of them 6-8 years ago.

We'll also lower Revis' 2013 cap number by $1-2M by extending him a new contract that averages $17M/year. Revis will of course hold out 2 years into this new deal because even though his cap number will be $18M, his "base salary" will be only $8M and that will be too insulting for someone like him to play for.

Then they'll sign Dwayne Bowe for $14M/year with $42M guaranteed. He'll only put up about 800 yards with Sanchez throwing the rock, convincing his devout supporters that for (what will be) 5 years, we still haven't provided him with a real "true #1" receiver. But the seats will be filled because we Jets fans want to believe so badly we will ignore what is apparent to the rest of planet earth.

We still won't win anything, and it will keep us in cap hell for an extra 3 seasons, but it will help to bring the 2013 Jets from 4 wins to 8.

You're like the devil.

[jetsfan2400]

How many games did the Jets Blow this year? I bet if we had a better coach,same team,same QB, 7-4 at worst. It seems that it is hpoeless.
The problem is the jets look LIFELESS. That is coaching. When Rex was hired. He injected life into the Team. Where is it now. No one is responding!
Better coaching ,even with this group, we would at least be respectable!

[kelly]

You're like the devil.

that's one

[unbanmadmike1]

The 2013 Jets: Suck for Johnny.

[unbanmadmike1]

How many games did the Jets Blow this year? I bet if we had a better coach,same team,same QB, 7-4 at worst. It seems that it is hpoeless.
The problem is the jets look LIFELESS. That is coaching. When Rex was hired. He injected life into the Team. Where is it now. No one is responding!
Better coaching ,even with this group, we would at least be respectable!

Which of the 4 games that were over at halftime would the Jets have won with a different coach?

[kelly]

A lot of heat is given to this guy pictured to the right. Mike Tannenbaum has come under fire lately, as the Jets season has begun to unravel. It’s understandable, you can make the argument that this roster has gotten progressively worse since the 2010 AFC Championship game. The roster lacks in talent, especially on the offensive side of the football, and the general manager is always going to come under fire for that. But, what if it isn’t Mike ?

Note: This is just speculation as I have no inside knowlege on this, just putting forth a potential theory.

Look at your core of Jets that were here when the Jets went to back to back championship games. Here are some names that come to mind: David Harris, Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold, D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Jerrico Cotchery, Brandon Moore, Braylon Edwards, Dustin Keller, Mark Sanchez, and Shonn Greene. There are more, but we will look at that handful of players. Other than Mark and Shonn, what do the rest of these players have in common? They were not brought here during the Tannenbaum/Ryan era. It takes a couple of years for a roster to turn over. So, to really be Rex Ryan’s roster, we had to wait and see what we had in 2011 and 2012.

So we look at the roster now, and what names do we see ?

Sanchez, Greene, Slauson, Hunter/Howard, Kyle Wilson, Joe McKnight, Mo Wilkerson, Kenrick Ellis, Clyde Gates, Konrad Reuland, Jason Smith, Vladimir Ducasse, and John Conner (for all of 2011 and some of 2012) just to name a few. Can we say that this roster is not exactly sparkling? You could make the argument that Mark Sanchez is being given the task of winning witha group of practice squad of teammates.

So, who do we blame ?

We can blame the general manager, which makes sense. With the title of general manager comes at least the implied responsibility of being in charge of personnel decisions. He would certainly be the first name you would think of. But, think about it another way. I think we can all agree that the quality of acquisitions changed, correct? The Jets were having great drafts, with guys like Revis, Mangold, ..etc, and bringing in players like Braylon Edwards, and Thomas Jones. Then, the player decisions went drastically south. The decisions on draftees have been curious, and other than LaDainian Tomlinson, wo was the last influential free agent the Jets have brought in. When a drastic change has occurred, you have to look at what changed. The general manager has not changed. Who has changed ?

The coach, that is what has changed. What if Rex has a bigger say in personnel than any of us have realized. Think about it. Nobody is a fan of Tanny, but let’s be logical. He’s the same guy that drafted Nick Mangold and Darrelle Revis. A lot of people think that Eric Mangini had more to do with those picks. OK, fine. Then, by extension, one can infer that Rex Ryan had more to do with bad personnel choices than we realize. Unless Mike Tannenbaum forgot how to look at football players, he’s the same guy. He didn’t forget what makes a good football player.What did change, is a voice in Mike’s ear, the voice of the head coach. Maybe it’s Rex that is making the bad decisions and influencing Mike.

Like I said, I don’t know this, it’s a theory. It could be.

> http://thejetpress.c...onnel-problems/

[kelly]

McElroy : Nothing personal

Rex Ryan preferred a banged-up Tim Tebow, with two fractured ribs, over a healthy Greg McElroy last week as his No. 2 quarterback.

McElroy's reaction ?

No problem.

"It's never anything personal," the Jets' third-string QB said Monday. "There's no need to speculate on any of that. Tim was feeling good enough to go and he's the backup quarterback, so my job on Thursday was to be those guys' eyes from the sideline."McElroy said he didn't take any practice reps last week(he played Tom Brady on the scout team),&he doesn't expect to get any reps this week as the Jets prepare for Sunday's home game against the Arizona Cardinals (4-7).On Monday, Ryan indicated that he expects Tebow to dress for the game. Of course, he dressed last Thursday night and never left the sideline, sparking a controversy. It'll be interesting to see if the Jets activate McElroy as an insurance QB.

INJURY UPDATE :
The Jets have wide-receiver issues this week. Neither Clyde Gates (concussion) nor Jeremy Kerley (heel, hamstring) participated in practice Monday -- at least not during the 30-minute period open to the media. Chaz Schilens (concussion) was on the field for the early portion.Gates is the biggest question mark. Kerley is likely to play and Schilens will be evaluated, according to Ryan, who said, "I'm not sure how significant his concussion was."The only healthy receivers are rookies Stephen Hill and Jordan White.

> http://espn.go.com/b...othing-personal

[THE ILK]

*If the 2013 Jets want to make money, they should give away all the tickets for free.**

*Condition 1: You have to pay face value if you do not go to the game.

**Condition 2: If you go and leave early, YOU PAY DOUBLE!

Edited by JADEDGREEN, 27 November 2012 - 07:51 PM.

[kelly]

*If the 2013 Jets want to make money, they should give away all the tickets for free.**

*Condition 1: You have to pay face value if you do not go to the game.

**Condition 2: If you go and leave early, YOU PAY DOUBLE!

sounds like a plan ! ! ....






i'll pm woody

[kelly]

Clarifying the '13 cap situation

For some reason, the story of the Jets' cap situation for 2013 has gained momentum in recent days, fueling the perception that the team is headed for salary-cap hell. While it's true that the Jets are projected to be about $20 million over the cap in '13, it's important to understand the full scope of the situation.They can get under the cap in a heartbeat. If they cut LB Bart Scott, OLB Calvin Pace and OT Jason Smith, they will clear nearly $28 million. Smith has an inflated cap number because of a $12 million roster bonus, which, of course, he never will see.So these stories have been blown out of proportion. The problem with the Jets' cap is they have a lot of money tied up in only a few players. In fact, they have seven players with a combined cap total of about $80 million. That means about $45 million for the other 46 players.

Here are the Jets' big seven, all of whom are expected to be back in 2013 :

LB David Harris -- $13 million

QB Mark Sanchez -- $12.9 million

WR Santonio Holmes -- $12.5 million

CB Antonio Cromartie -- $10.8 million

LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson -- $10.7 million

C Nick Mangold -- $9.1 million

CB Darrelle Revis -- $9 million


> http://espn.go.com/b...3-cap-situation

[bitonti]

4) Understand that the 2013 season is going to be miserable.

5) Pray that Revis is recovered and trade him to the highest draft pick bidder before the trade deadline.

I don't see how either of these things leads to a Super Bowl. There's this idea that multi-year rebuilding plans are a way forward. There are teams rebuilding for the last 10 years. It doesn't work. Trade the best player for a draft pick? No. Please God No.

[kelly]

I don't see how either of these things leads to a Super Bowl. There's this idea that multi-year rebuilding plans are a way forward. There are teams rebuilding for the last 10 years. It doesn't work. Trade the best player for a draft pick? No. Please God No.

" ... Trade the best player for a draft pick?... "

~ ~ draft pickS &/or playerS







cheers ~ ~

[kelly]

Sanchez facing burden of proving future value

It may not matter if Mark Sanchez shows up for the Jets at this point, but they still need to know if he’s their future.

This Sunday against the Cardinals represents a chance for him to redeem his season. The Jets must win their last five games to even have a shot at the playoffs, placing a heavy burden on Sanchez.“It’s an everyday thing. I don’t think it changes just because we need to win a couple games here in a short period of time. It’s just the nature of the position,” Sanchez said. “The most important thing in these next five games, as important as they are, don’t change and try and do something crazy and make something up and try and be somebody you’re not. [I have to] just keep leading this team and do the very best I can.”

Jets head coach Rex Ryan is convinced the issues with the league’s No. 28 total offense go far beyond Sanchez’s miscues.“When you look at it, there are things that all of us can improve, and to saddle, to put that blame on one person, I don’t think that’s appropriate. If anything, that would be more directed at me than it is anybody else,” Ryan said. “How am I as a coach? I have to get better and get this team to where we don’t turn the ball over, so I focus on those areas. But as a team we have to get better. You don’t just put that on one individual. If that was the answer, if it’s just one guy, then that’s easy, but it’s not. We have to protect the football as a football team.”

But the pressure still falls on Sanchez to perform against the Cardinals.“Being the quarterback of a team, there’s always more pressure and attention at that position, so I don’t treat it differently than anything else,” Sanchez said. “We just need to win some games here. We’ve done it in the past, so hopefully we’ll do it again.”

> http://www.metro.us/...ng-future-value

[unbanmadmike1]

This is why if they bring the joke of a FO back and let them start rebuilding only to fire them after 2013 is the disaster we all know it will be would be a disaster and it's probably exactly what the clown who owns the team will do.