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[neckdemon]

I'm 34 years old and been thru this many times; and it never really worked but its time to clean house.

1) Immediately following Week 17 bring in a GM that has real experience. A football guy, an assistant GM or a Director of College Scouting.

2) Ask the new GM if he wants to bring in a new coach. If he does, Rex goes. And let's be honest, this team is several years away from being legit. Rex won't be here a few years from now - so why delay the inevitable.

3) Find a new QB. If there is one in Aprils draft, get him. If there isn't wait it out. But eventually you need to get lucky and have a top 3 pick to land a franchise QB or make a Redskins type move - trade the farm for a guy you identify as a franchise QB.

4) Understand that the 2013 season is going to be miserable. The team is old and has cap issues. We are kind of like the Lions of a few years ago.

5) Pray that Revis is recovered and trade him to the highest draft pick bidder before the trade deadline. Look, were losing him in free agency b/c we cant nor should pay a CB $15M per year. Take the best offer next October - whatever that may be.

5) Lock up Wilkerson sooner rather than later. He looks like the best young player on the team. Sign him to a team friendly deal now.

something like this

[RSJ]

Nah.

They'll extend David Harris until he's 34 to lower his 2013 cap number and use that space to sign Freeney and Osi to be our pass rushers. Both will sign long-term deals with $30M+ guaranteed apiece, with low cap numbers in year 1 that will help blow up the influx of cap relief we were otherwise going to get in 2014 and beyond. They'll both still be good players in 2013 and the pre-season hype for how good they'll be will make it sound better than if we got both of them 6-8 years ago.

We'll also lower Revis' 2013 cap number by $1-2M by extending him a new contract that averages $17M/year. Revis will of course hold out 2 years into this new deal because even though his cap number will be $18M, his "base salary" will be only $8M and that will be too insulting for someone like him to play for.

Then they'll sign Dwayne Bowe for $14M/year with $42M guaranteed. He'll only put up about 800 yards with Sanchez throwing the rock, convincing his devout supporters that for (what will be) 5 years, we still haven't provided him with a real "true #1" receiver. But the seats will be filled because we Jets fans want to believe so badly we will ignore what is apparent to the rest of planet earth.

We still won't win anything, and it will keep us in cap hell for an extra 3 seasons, but it will help to bring the 2013 Jets from 4 wins to 8.

Sperm, Correct me if I'm wrong - but can't the Jets restructure Sanchez so that they can sign, trade for or draft another QB? I mean on the open market what is Sanchez worth? Can't the Jets get him down to around that figure based on league wide interest in him? And if there was a team really interested in him, is there not a way to work out a restructure/trade type of scenario for Sanchez?

Edited by RSJ, 01 December 2012 - 10:23 AM.

[Sperm Edwards]

Sperm, Correct me if I'm wrong - but can't the Jets restructure Sanchez so that they can sign, trade for or draft another QB? I mean on the open market what is Sanchez worth? Can't the Jets get him down to around that figure based on league wide interest in him? And if there was a team really interested in him, is there not a way to work out a restructure/trade type of scenario for Sanchez?

Sure, it's possible to do that. I'm sure there are a few ways, like converting half his 2013 salary to roster bonus and then trading him, leaving the other half of his salary for his new team. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. Why would he do it? He's going to get that money either way and if he's here his chances of starting are higher than they'll be on a new team with far less invested in him, paying him far less.

He'll still be here next year. It is pointless to get your hopes up, and therefore pointless to attend another Jets game until he's gone.

[RSJ]

Sure, it's possible to do that. I'm sure there are a few ways, like converting half his 2013 salary to roster bonus and then trading him, leaving the other half of his salary for his new team. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. Why would he do it? He's going to get that money either way and if he's here his chances of starting are higher than they'll be on a new team with far less invested in him, paying him far less.

He'll still be here next year. It is pointless to get your hopes up, and therefore pointless to attend another Jets game until he's gone.

Well thats what I'm wondering. I don't know the details.I was wondering if the jets could upfront or guarentee more money in order to spread it out over the long term. I see what you are saying though. The bottom line is he is still young and still probably thinks he should start in this league so he probably would not want to work with the Jets no matter what.

[bassmaster2]

The Jets just cut Bart Scott , Calvin Pace , Jason Smith , trade Tebow should put Jets under the cap by 3M save around 23M

[kelly]

The Jets just cut Bart Scott , Calvin Pace , Jason Smith , trade Tebow should put Jets under the cap by 3M save around 23M

this^ is a START

[kelly]

Greg McElroy not stressing QB call

For one day at least, New York Jets third-string quarterback Greg McElroy is a hero in New York City.

McElroy saved the Jets from an awful first-half performance by Mark Sanchez (three interceptions) and led Gang Green to a 7-6 victory over the Arizona Cardinals. McElroy did just enough, completing 5-of-7 passes for 29 yards and a touchdown to get the Jets to 5-7.Now comes the waiting game. Did McElroy do enough to start Sunday against the Jacksonville Jaguars or will he go back to being a backup?

McElroy says he's not stressing the decision.

“It’s not worth worrying about,” McElroy said in a conference call Monday. “It doesn’t change our relationship (and) it doesn’t change how supportive we are of one another. Whoever’s on the field, I know the other two [quarterbacks] will be pushing for that person.”McElroy entered the NFL as a longshot. He was a former seventh-round pick and missed most of last year with an injury. After McElroy’s comments about a selfish locker room and the acquisition of popular quarterback Tim Tebow, most thought McElroy’s roster spot was in jeopardy. But he survived as the No. 3 quarterback and now has an NFL win under his belt.

Many Jets fans want to see more of McElroy, who wants to play but will not lobby the coaching staff to keep him in the lineup.“There’s no case being made obviously,” McElroy said. “Coach [Rex] Ryan will make a decision and he’ll do what’s best for this football team.”

So who is best to lead the Jets : McElroy, Sanchez or Tebow ?

We want your feedback. Share your thoughts on New York’s quarterback situation and send them to our AFC East inbox.

> http://espn.go.com/b...ressing-qb-call

[kelly]

Report : Jets owner wants QB Greg McElroy

As usual, we have dissention within the New York Jets' organization.

The latest comes from Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News. Mehta reports Jets owner Woody Johnson prefers to start third-string quarterback Greg McElroy Sunday against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum and offensive coordinator Tony Sparano reportedly want Mark Sanchez. Tim Tebow, due to health reasons, doesn't appear to be a viable option this week.

Ultimately, the final call will be made by Jets head coach Rex Ryan, who seemed genuinely torn during Monday's news conference. Ryan said he's yet to make a decision and wants to get all of the facts by talking to key members of the organization.It is no surprise there are varying opinions within the organization. This team has been dysfunctional and unable to get on the same page all season.

We will have more on the Jets' quarterback situation coming up next in the AFC East blog.

> http://espn.go.com/b...qb-greg-mcelroy

[kelly]

Big Mac recalls foot-in-mouth moment

If Greg McElroy gets the starting nod from Rex Ryan, he'll be in charge of the locker room he once said had a "corrupt mindset."Before his winning NFL debut Sunday, McElroy's only headline-making moment as a member of the Jets was an infamous interview in January on a Birmingham, Ala., radio station. McElroy, who spent his rookie season on injured reserve, amplified the Jets' chemistry problems by claiming the locker room was filled with selfish players.McElroy performed some serious damage control in the offseason. He said he called "a lot" of veteran players and apologized for his remarks."A lot of guys were upset and rightfully so," McElroy said Monday during a conference call with reporters. "I completely understand that, and that’s one thing I did have to own up to it and I had to do a little bit of damage control for sure."Those guys are understanding and Rex (Ryan) made a point that, 'Hey, last season’s in the past and rip off the rearview mirror and let’s go forward.' To everyone it really wasn’t an issue at that point. Just don’t worry about it, don’t do it again. I think Wayne Hunter actually said it best: 'Rookie mistake, don’t do it again.' "

McElroy was in a good mood Monday, and why not? Just like that, he went from a relatively anonymous third-stringer to a potential starter. He said Monday was like any other. Even though it was an off-day for players, he reported to the facility for breakfast, a workout and a film session, grading Sunday's game."Obviously, (I have) a lot of stuff to learn," he said. "But it was a good experience for me and I was actually happy with the way things looked at first glance."After the game, McElroy's teammates praised his confidence in the huddle. RG Brandon Moore called him a "pretty confident kid, borderline cocky," meaning it as a compliment. McElroy laughed when told of the quote."I would like to think it's leaning a little bit more towards confident," he said. "But, yeah, one thing I’ve always tried to approach this game with is, you just never let them see you sweat. And that includes the players in your huddle, the players in the opposite huddle, the players on the opposite sideline, on your sideline. Never let them see you sweat."

For now, McElroy will sweat out Ryan's quarterback decision.

> http://espn.go.com/b...in-mouth-moment

[kelly]

Rex says his future not tied to Sanchez

The first draft pick of the Rex Ryan era was Mark Sanchez. They became forever linked. Rex and Mark, Mark and Rex. A year ago, Ryan said Sanchez will be "our quarterback for as long as I'm here, which I hope is a long, long time."

On Thursday, Ryan distanced himself from Sanchez, saying he doesn't think his coaching future is tied to the struggling quarterback."Obviously we need to win," Ryan said, one day after re-naming Sanchez his starter. "This is a big decision. (A big factor) in determining wins and losses is the play of your quarterback a lot of times. But, no, I don't feel that my future's tied in with how we do things (with the quarterback)."Ryan has two years remaining on his contract and he's not thought to be in danger of getting fired. But the Jets are 5-7, coming off an 8-8 season, and you just never know in this business.

On Wednesday, Ryan announced he's sticking with Sanchez, whom he benched in the third quarter of Sunday's win over the Cardinals. Sanchez is signed through 2016, and his 2013 salary ($8.25 million) is guaranteed, virtually ensuring his return."Obviously, this is a win business and I know that," Ryan said. "As Brian Billick told me the other day, there's been 111 head coaches that have come and gone over the last 10 years. So it's probably not the most job-secure thing."But one thing I can (do to) affect the job security is by winning. That's what everybody wants. Our fans want it. That's what Woody (Johnson) wants. That's what we all want. Obviously, that's what I want."

> http://espn.go.com/b...tied-to-sanchez

[kelly]

December 6, 2012, 2:36 pm

History Suggests Sanchez May Be Better Off Elsewher

Coach Rex Ryan announced on Wednesday that Mark Sanchez would be the Jets’ starting quarterback on Sunday at Jacksonville. Ryan threw his support behind the incumbent quarterback, even saying that he was “looking forward to seeing Mark play.”But public sentiment against Sanchez, from fans and sports columnists, means another poor outing is likely to pressure Ryan to reinsert the backup Greg McElroy.When the Jets made Sanchez the fifth overall pick in 2009, or when they extended his contract in March,they probably did not envision him fighting off a challenge from an inexperienced seventh-round pick. Given the high expectations on top picks, anything but a complete turnaround will result in Sanchez’s being labeled a draft bust.

There is no shortage of quarterbacks who were selected at the top of the draft yet failed to make a mark in the N.F.L. At his current rate, Sanchez would join the ranks of JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Andre Ware and David Klingler. Those four failed to live up to expectations,with none getting a second chance to prove themselves on the field with another team.If Sanchez wants to resurrect his career, there are examples he can follow.

Fourteen years before the Jets selected Sanchez out of Southern Cal, the Carolina Panthers selected Kerry Collins with the fifth overall pick.Like Sanchez,Collins struggled in key areas.With the Panthers,Collins’s highest completion percentage was a meager 56.0, while Sanchez’s best with the Jets was 56.7 percent. In 1997 Collins led the league with 21 interceptions, whereas Sanchez was second in the league in 2009 with 20 and fifth in 2011 with 18. Both players were frequent fumblers, often among the worst offenders in the league.In Collins’s fourth season, the team placed him on waivers. He finished the year in New Orleans. After the season the Giants acquired him. A year later Collins had repaired his career to the point that he aided the Giants to a 12-4 record and a Super Bowl berth. In that championship game, Collins faced off against the Baltimore Ravens and their quarterback Trent Dilfer.

Like Collins and Sanchez, Dilfer was a top pick (sixth over all in 1994) who struggled with his original team. Dilfer spent six seasons with Tampa Bay, and although he made the Pro Bowl in his fourth year, he was a below average quarterback for the other five seasons. The Ravens acquired him in his seventh season, and he became their starter for that championship season.Dilfer would eventually play for Seattle, Cleveland and San Francisco, while Collins had stops in Oakland, Tennessee and Indianapolis. It is unclear whether Collins and Dilfer profited from a new organization, lowered expectations, or an extra dose of humility.But it seems unlikely that their original teams would have had the freedom from the fans and the news media to give them the opportunity to play after years of poor performances. Perhaps going to a new city merely gave Collins and Dilfer a clean slate.

So, for Sanchez, it is possible that he goes on to a fruitful career. But given the history of highly drafted quarterbacks, it seems that Sanchez’s best opportunity may be to leave the team that picked him.

> http://fifthdown.blo...e/?ref=football

[kelly]

Rex says Sanchez decision has “absolutely zero” to do with money

Jets coach Rex Ryan says the fact that his team has millions of dollars tied up in a long-term contract for quarterback Mark Sanchez has nothing to do with his decision to keep Sanchez as the starting quarterback.At a press conference a few hours after Ryan informed the team that Sanchez will start Sunday against the Jaguars, Ryan was asked how much Sanchez’s contract has to do with his status as the starter. Ryan answered, “Absolutely zero.”

Ryan also denied that Jets owner Woody Johnson had put any pressure on him, saying that Johnson always tells him only that it’s his call who to play.“I don’t get any pressure from Woody,” Ryan said. “I’m fortunate. I have a great relationship with my owner, with Woody. We have conversations — open conversations — all the time. We can say things to each other and all that. But where I’m real fortunate is from the day Mr. Johnson hired me, he said it’s 100 percent my decision on who plays and what their role is. And that’s it.”

So why did Ryan decide to go with Sanchez ?

Ryan said it’s simple: Sanchez gives the Jets the best chance to beat the Jaguars on Sunday. And Ryan said the decision is “one I feel great about.”

> http://profootballta...-do-with-money/

[kelly]

Rex Ryan likely to return next year with Jets

Rex Ryan may not be on his way out after all. According to New York Daily News writer Manish Mehta, the Jets are more likely to move G.M. Mitch Tannebaum. Ryan is under contract in New York for two more years, and a firing would probably come next season when the Jets owe Ryan a lot less money. It also gives Ryan a chance to straighten things out in the Big Apple, as this season was a blip on the radar. As bad as things have been with the Jets from the end of last season through this year, Ryan will have a 50-50 rating in terms of making or missing the playoffs. As ruthless as the NFL is, unless you're A.J. Smith you don't fire a coach on a 50-50 hunch. Should Ryan miss the playoffs again next season, not only is it more justifiable to fire him then, but there will likely be a better coaching crop. As of now the top two candidates are Jon Gruden and Chip Kelly, both of whom will likely be going elsewhere if anywhere at all.

> http://www.fannation...ors/view/354732

[Il Mostro]

The best thing this team could do for 2013, in terms of player personnel, is to do nothing in terms of veterans. We stand to accumulate a boatload of extra compensatory picks in 2014 if we don't piss them away on crappy 1-year patchwork FAs. No signing of other teams' UFAs unless they're truly special players who realistically figure to start here for at least 3-4 years.

Trade Revis while they still have him under contract and can still get something for him. Don't extend him, incredible as he is. Just a stupid, stupid amount of money for a CB even if he's the best I've ever seen (and he is). Nutty part about it is we wouldn't even get any cap relief if we manage to trade him. I would even say the same thing about Cromartie, though unlike Revis he would create some immediate space if dealt.

I would love a total gutting and in doing so you don't retain expensive players who have serious trade value, when they figure to be on the downside of their careers by the time the team is built up enough to be a serious SB contender. So while I love having Revis and Cromartie as starting CBs, I don't love them eating up over $20M/year off our caps in the years to come. Hell, Revis alone undoubtedly still wants at least $15M per (of new money) and we still have almost $10M of his current contract that hasn't hit our cap yet. Barring a miracle, including drafting a QB in 2013 who surprises the hell out of absolutely everyone and is RGIII/Luck awesome out of the gate, the earliest to figure that is 2015.

We could be looking at potential compensatory picks for anyone who gets a contract from someone else. Landry, Keller, DeVito, Slauson, and Moore. Re-sign Bell for another year. Doesn't cost any comp picks if you re-sign your own. I would like them to re-sign Landry but really have no idea what his demands would be, and my feeling on locking him up entirely depends upon that.

This team has zero chance in 2013. Zero. Overpaid stiffs, draft busts, cancers, underperformers, and dead cap space after cuts are going to gobble up some $60M of our cap space. With 7-8 starters becoming UFAs at the end of the season, no QB, and minimal cap room to replace any of these positions adequately, the best solution IMO is to not piss away the relatively clean slate we're going to get in 2014 to satisfy some false hopes this upcoming spring. Especially if it's done Tannenbaum-style where he backloads mega-deals to create some cap room in the first year of a new contract.

If that creates some extra space, then advance some of our big-money players' future money as roster bonuses in 2013 so they aren't such heavy hitters in 2014-2016. Ferguson and/or Mangold come to mind. Do NOT extend or in any way restructure the contracts of Harris, Sanchez, Holmes, or anyone else in an effort to lower their '13 cap numbers.

Would be great to be major FA players in 2014 with a boatload of draft picks. And if we then have "too many" 2014 draft picks then trade one or two of them for 2015 picks a round earlier.

Good post. Missing Mevis this season illustrates that he is not the crux of the biscuit when it comes to the defense or the team as a whole. The D has been no better or worse, with or without him.

[kelly]

Can Jets really make the playoffs ?

It would be one of the most amazing comeback stories of 2012.The New York Jets -- a team most left for dead -- still has a shot to the make the playoffs in January.

Yes, those Jets.
That team that recently benched its starting quarterback, lost its best defensive (Darrelle Revis) and offensive (Santonio Holmes) players and is known to backbite teammates on occasion.This isn't just a shot in the dark or not being mathematically eliminated. The Jets actually have a chance at the final wild-card slot in the AFC with just three weeks left in the regular season.New York (6-7) is one game behind the Pittsburgh Steelers (7-6) and Cincinnati Bengals (7-6), but the Jets have a much easier schedule.

Remaining Schedule
Team Week 15 Week 16 Week 17 Opponents' records Jets at Tennessee (4-9) San Diego (5-8) at Buffalo (5-8) 14-25 Steelers at Dallas (7-6) Cincinnati (7-6) Cleveland (5-8) 19-20 Bengals at Philadelphia (4-9) at Pittsburgh (7-6) Baltimore (9-4) 20-19

The key for the Jets is to win out. New York has three winnable games to close out the season, although two are on the road. Both the Steelers and Bengals have significantly tougher schedules. Nine wins by the Jets would put a ton of pressure on Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.The Steelers and Bengals play each other in Week 16. That will be an elimination game for one of these three playoff contenders. If the Jets keep winning, they have a chance to sneak into the playoffs.

> http://espn.go.com/b...ke-the-playoffs

[BroadwayJoe12]

Rex Ryan likely to return next year with Jets

Rex Ryan may not be on his way out after all. According to New York Daily News writer Manish Mehta, the Jets are more likely to move G.M. Mitch Tannebaum. Ryan is under contract in New York for two more years, and a firing would probably come next season when the Jets owe Ryan a lot less money. It also gives Ryan a chance to straighten things out in the Big Apple, as this season was a blip on the radar. As bad as things have been with the Jets from the end of last season through this year, Ryan will have a 50-50 rating in terms of making or missing the playoffs. As ruthless as the NFL is, unless you're A.J. Smith you don't fire a coach on a 50-50 hunch. Should Ryan miss the playoffs again next season, not only is it more justifiable to fire him then, but there will likely be a better coaching crop. As of now the top two candidates are Jon Gruden and Chip Kelly, both of whom will likely be going elsewhere if anywhere at all.

> http://www.fannation...ors/view/354732

God damned Mitch. That a$$hole has had it coming for years.

[kelly]

Good post. Missing Mevis this season illustrates that he is not the crux of the biscuit when it comes to the defense or the team as a whole. The D has been no better or worse, with or without him.

probably true...
i still hope he signs a long-term deal with us






cheers ~ ~

[kelly]

Despite Late Run , Jets Must Keep Eye on the Ball in Offseason

The Jets, to their credit, are sticking together, and playing well. Somehow, with wins and some luck, they have clawed their way back into the playoff race. Despite everything going on around them, the Jets have stuck to the plan, and are playing better. Rex Ryan has to get a great deal of credit for keeping this group playing well, and not letting them quit. The Jets are going to have to be careful, however. Playing well down the stretch could end up playing against them in the long term.

That is, unless the Jets keep their eye on the ball.

All season long, we have heard Mike Tannenbaum talk about that this team has “enough” weapons. Despite all of our protests to the contrary, he has said that this team is equipped and ready to go. You have seen the names that have been added to this roster, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Mardy Gilyard, Jason Hill getting signed and released like he is Billy Martin, Clyde Gates, and the list goes on. It’s not exactly a group of football players that are going to light anyone on fire are they ? Are defensive coordinators staying up nights planning for these guys ? Doubt it.

If the Jets finish 8-8 or 9-7, whether they make the playoffs or not, Mike Tannenbaum will have a lot of excuses laid out for him. The first, and one not to be forgotten about is his job. We all want Tannenbaum out, and the wins in the last few weeks have done nothing to change that, at least for any fans I have interacted with. Jets fans are not happy with his evaluation of talent, and want him out.

According to many sources, Tannenbaum has owner Woody Johnson under his thumb, so much so that it will take a lot for Tanny to be dismissed from the organization. Now, with the Jets enjoying such late season success, Mike might have just enough of Woody’s ear to save his job. Can you see it? “See, I told you this roster is close!”. It’s a scenario that we are all too familiar with when it comes to the Jets. Stay the status-quo with the “good enough”, rather than make changes to excel.

> http://thejetpress.c...l-in-offseason/

[kelly]

The Emergence of Bilal Powell

Over the last several games, the Jets running attack has come back to the forefront of the Jets game. The “Ground and Pound” hasn’t been great, but it has been markedly better than it was over the first part of the season, so much so they are able to use it to win games now. It has been no coincidence that the running attack has improved as the Jets moved to a “RBBC(Running Back By Committee)” system. More specifically, the game has stepped up with the emergence of Bilal Powell.

Yesterday, Bilal had a career high in carries with 19, and led the way with 78 yards and a TD. Jets fans have been calling for more carries for Powell for months, after watching how slow Shonn Greene can be as the lone ball carrier. Well, the Jets have answered the call of the fans, and the result has been improved play by Greene, and the emergence of Powell. Over the last four games, Powell has recorded 54 carries for 218 yards, a 4.03 yards per carry average, to go along with 4 TDs. If you project that over a 16 game schedule, here is what you get:
216 carries, 872 yards, 16 TDs.

Obviously, that’s a high TD number and I wouldn’t expect that. But imagine if he put up those numbers for carries and yards, and put up 6-10 TDs? Maybe that is not feature back numbers, but certainly the numbers of a guy that can be a complimentary back in the “Ground of Pound” system. Shonn Greene does a good job late after the defense is worn down. With Bilal’s speed, this could be an excellent one-two punch going forward.

Shonn Greene has not ever been dominant when he was the only guy. The Jets running attack has always been at its best when Greene has had someone with him, either Thomas Jones, or LaDainian Tomlinson. Could the Jets have found the guy to fill this role as they move forward? Time will tell, but all signs appear positive.

> http://thejetpress.c...f-bilal-powell/

[kelly]

AFC East Stock Watch

Let's take a look at whose stock is up and whose stock is down in the AFC East.

~ ~ Rising

~ 3. New York Jets: I must admit that I wrote off the Jets after their embarrassing Thanksgiving loss to New England. New York was 4-7 at the time and didn't look like a team capable of suddenly running the table. But the Jets have won two straight games, albeit against lousy opposition (Arizona and Jacksonville). Thanks to a lot of outside assistance, the Jets are just one game out of the final wild-card spot with three weeks to go. The playoffs start now for New York.

> http://espn.go.com/b...-stock-watch-28