Jump to content

  •  

Welcome to JetNation.com


Sign In  Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter

Create Account
Welcome to JetNation.com, your home for New York Jets talk. We are an independent site, which means we aren't affiliated with the NY Jets or SNY. The opinions here are never censored. We want you to join in on the conversation, but don't worry this is a simple and FREE process. Be apart of JetNation.com by signing in or creating an account. When you create an account, you can also opt to use your existing Facebook or Twitter login.
  • Start new topics and reply to others
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get email updates
  • Get your own profile page and make new friends
  • Send personal messages to other members.
Also be sure to check us out on Facebook and Twitter.
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo
- - - - -

Debunking the "Same Old Jets" Myths


  • Please log in to reply
113 replies to this topic

#1 stoicsentry

stoicsentry

    Not Really Stoic

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 8,867 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

http://fifthdown.blo...-old-jets-myth/

It’s the season for the “Same Old Jets” remarks. Focusing on failure makes for a great narrative, especially after a loss of the magnitude of Thursday’s 49-19 shellacking by New England. As critics sharpen their knives, they will search for ways to characterize the “hapless” J-E-T-S, or “Just End The Season,” as they might say. It all sounds smarmy and smart, except for one thing: the history and the reality don’t support it.
To be fair, some of the harshest criticisms have come from inside Jets nation. The noted Jets fan Ed Anzalone announced on Sunday that he was retiring from his game-day role as Fireman Ed, mainly because of increased hostility toward him by a small but vocal minority. Anzalone says he has been accused of being “bought” by wearing a Mark Sanchez jersey at games this season (a charge Anzalone vehemently denies).
Hard to believe all of this hysteria is coming with the Jets at 4-7. Don’t you think Kansas City General Manager Scott Pioli and Coach Romeo Crennel would sign up the 1-10 Chiefs for the Jets’ record right now?
So here goes, some facts for the enablers of the ” Same Old Jets” myth:

1) The Jets haven’t had a losing season since 2007
How difficult is it to string together seasons without having a losing record? Since 2007, only four A.F.C. teams – Patriots, Steelers, Ravens and Chargers — and eight teams over all are in the same company. The Jets would have to lose two of their last five games — and their schedule is favorable — for their streak to be broken.
2) The Jets have had only three losing seasons since 1997, when Bill Parcells took the reins
Few would argue that 15 years is not a significant sample size. How impressive is the Jets’ total of 3 out of a possible 15? Only New England (1) and Green Bay (2) have had fewer losing seasons during this stretch. Pittsburgh and Denver are tied with the Jets at 3. Detroit and Cleveland lead all teams with 11.
3) The Jets have had seven postseason appearances since 1997
Once again, the Jets’ total puts them among the upper crust of N.F.L. teams. In the A.F.C., only four teams have qualified for the playoffs more times than the Jets during this stretch, led by New England and Indianapolis, with 11 times each. Green Bay leads N.F.C. teams with 10 appearances.
4) The Jets have played in three conference championship games since 1997
This number stands out when you consider that six A.F.C. teams have failed to reach one title game over this period. The Patriots and the Steelers lead the N.F.L. with six each and are the only A.F.C. teams with more appearances than the Jets. Denver, Baltimore and Indianapolis are tied with the Jets’ total of three.
5) The Jets are one of the 18 N.F.L. teams to have actually won a Super Bowl
Yes, this does not change the fact that 44 seasons is a long time to go without a title, which is where the Jets’ drought will almost certainly stand after this season. But they HAVE won it before. Fourteen teams have yet to win the Vince Lombardi Trophy, and only 11 teams have won more than one, led by Pittsburgh, which has won six times.
Two seasons ago, Rex Ryan crowed about the “same old Jets” being back in the A.F.C. championship game. It may have seemed like a boast, but it was closer to reality than the saying’s negative intent.


This is a great article, it really shows why the Jets fan base is so terrible... completely blind to reality. But unlike Bills fans who are hopelessly optimistic without good reason, Jets fans are hopelessly pessimistic without good reason.
  • 0

#2 Matt39

Matt39

    master knows all except combination to safe

  • Members
  • 22,600 posts
  • LocationDel Boca Vista Phase III

Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

Since when are Bills fans hopelessly optimistic?
  • 0

#3 stoicsentry

stoicsentry

    Not Really Stoic

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 8,867 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

Since when are Bills fans hopelessly optimistic?


Ever spoken to one? Heh, I'm sure they get down too... but every year it's "this is the Bills year!"
  • 0

#4 AirForceJetFan

AirForceJetFan

    Veteran

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 7,733 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/debunking-the-same-old-jets-myth/



This is a great article, it really shows why the Jets fan base is so terrible... completely blind to reality. But unlike Bills fans who are hopelessly optimistic without good reason, Jets fans are hopelessly pessimistic without good reason.


NO! NO! NO! Worst team in football. EVER! Facts? Numbers? Useless!
  • 0

#5 Matt39

Matt39

    master knows all except combination to safe

  • Members
  • 22,600 posts
  • LocationDel Boca Vista Phase III

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:01 PM

Ever spoken to one? Heh, I'm sure they get down too... but every year it's "this is the Bills year!"


That's not true at all. In September, everyone is optimistic. By November Bills games are blacked out.
  • 0

#6 kay_gee

kay_gee

    full time Jets fan, part time troll

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 2,541 posts
  • Locationlive from New York

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:03 PM

I just ranted on Twitter about this.

The article points out that the Jets are not the most miserable franchise in the NFL, but the article leaves out that things happen to the Jets in such a way that nobody can really believe what they're watching or feel good about it.
  • 0

#7 THE ILK

THE ILK

    almost banned yo

  • Banned
  • 18,971 posts
  • LocationThe Hall of Doom

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

Maybe Rex should guarantee another super bowl.
  • 0

Posted Image


#8 JiF

JiF

    Say yer prayers Varmint!

  • Members
  • 38,345 posts
  • LocationSomewhere between Heaven and Hell

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:09 PM

http://fifthdown.blo...-old-jets-myth/



This is a great article, it really shows why the Jets fan base is so terrible... completely blind to reality. But unlike Bills fans who are hopelessly optimistic without good reason, Jets fans are hopelessly pessimistic without good reason.


This author has been taking notes from my posting. This is all sh*t I've said before.

Which circles back to Rex Ryan's Jets. This will be the first losing season of Rex's tenure. And when he sits down with Woody and Tanny to talk about their future's, all he'll have to say is, I've won more playoff games than other HC in the league over the last 4 seasons. Which we all laugh at but is ultimately how a HC is graded by many around the league.
  • 0
Posted Image

#9 gEYno

gEYno

    2013-2014 & 2014-2015 JN Captain & VIP Member

  • Members
  • 17,826 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:18 PM

Honestly, who gives a sh*t what the Jets have done since 2007 or since 1997?

The only thing that matters is how the Jets are playing right now and what kind of shape they look to be in going forward.

They stink right now, and there's nothing to indicate that without a major overhaul, that can change.

So, while the facts of this article are true, the Jets over the last decade and a half have not been terrible as a whole, these "terrible" fans, as you paint with a broad brush, are hoping to win a championship in the present or the near future (as winning based on past accomplishments is impossible), and the current Jets are now 4-7, coming off an 8-8 season, and have lost 8 games in the past 2 seasons by 20 or more points, and are in no position to win anything of substance.

Oh, and optimism and pessimism are future based constructs, so your conclusion (Jets fans are hopelessly pessimistic without good reason) is wildly off base.
  • 3

reset_buttonjpgscaled500_zps740f8923.jpg


#10 dbatesman

dbatesman

    Failgoat 2.0

  • Members
  • 8,845 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:45 PM

the current Jets are now 4-7, coming off an 8-8 season, and have lost 8 games in the past 2 seasons by 20 or more points, and are in no position to win anything of substance.


And whose fault is that?
  • 0

This is like having a cat with leukemia.


#11 THE ILK

THE ILK

    almost banned yo

  • Banned
  • 18,971 posts
  • LocationThe Hall of Doom

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:54 PM

And whose fault is that?


Posted Image
  • 0

Posted Image


#12 Jetscode1

Jetscode1

    Veteran

  • Members
  • 7,556 posts
  • LocationNorth America; Western Hemisphere; the Earth; the Solar System; the Universe; the Mind of God

Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

how surprising we get an article on how it's the fans fault...that we should understand their complete inability to build an entertaining product...that we've been branded...stay loyal...send us your money...and we will continue to boor you with the same uninteresting product...

How come we don't see these type of article when its the Steelers, Patriots or Ravens, 49ers when they are having a down year?
  • 0

Det. William 'Bunk' Moreland: A man must have a code. 


#13 #27TheDominator

#27TheDominator

    Forza Rhinos!

  • Members
  • 27,843 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:02 PM

They stink right now, and there's nothing to indicate that without a major overhaul, that can change.


I don't disagree that they stink. My question is, what constitutes a major overhaul? This team didn't lose that many pieces from the teams that went deep in the playoffs. This is where most of the Sanchez hate comes from because if he stepped up we'd forget about most of the downgrades at other positions. I understand the feeling that this FO and coaching staff can't right the ship, but I don't think it's necessarily true. I don't think it will take long to get set up. It's not like the old days where you rebuild for 35 years. The contract situation is apparently difficult next year and 2014 will be the next big push which will probably lead to many people joing Fireman Ed and jumping off the cliff.
  • 0

by Angel crazy with over 3000 post some day 


#14 gEYno

gEYno

    2013-2014 & 2014-2015 JN Captain & VIP Member

  • Members
  • 17,826 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:25 PM

I don't disagree that they stink. My question is, what constitutes a major overhaul? This team didn't lose that many pieces from the teams that went deep in the playoffs. This is where most of the Sanchez hate comes from because if he stepped up we'd forget about most of the downgrades at other positions. I understand the feeling that this FO and coaching staff can't right the ship, but I don't think it's necessarily true. I don't think it will take long to get set up. It's not like the old days where you rebuild for 35 years. The contract situation is apparently difficult next year and 2014 will be the next big push which will probably lead to many people joing Fireman Ed and jumping off the cliff.


When we had those deep playoff pushes, we played great defense, we ran the ball well, and we had great special teams. Through losing players and of equal importance, aging players, we are left with a team that is a shell of those teams that were still far from good enough to get it done in 2009 and 2010. Tannenbaum has shown nothing to suggest that he can right this ship. What he's shown, over the years, is that he can make a big splash. Well, he made them, and what we all ignored as fans is that we'd have to pay the bill for them. Now we are. We have almost no depth, and we have huge contracts going to guys who aren't contributing in kind. To make matters worse, we've busted on a lot of high picks (Sanchez, Wilson, Gholston, Vlad) in a short amount of time. To make matters worse, we have very limited cap space left.

So, to recap. Bad QB with a big contract and no Kapernick type player on the roster, no real option at running back, a mess on the offensive line with two highly paid starters, an overpaid malcontent injured WR and a guy who can't catch with a decent slot WR... That's your offense. On defense, there are brutally slow and old linebackers with awful contracts, a promising but not yet performing DLine, two good CBs but tons of money at the position, and who knows what we'll do at safety. Oh, and we have no money.

Yeah, time to blow it up. Tannenbaum has gotten 7 years and this is where we are. Very few GMs last that long without a super bowl appearance.
  • 1

reset_buttonjpgscaled500_zps740f8923.jpg


#15 HessStation

HessStation

    FightThePower

  • Members
  • 24,062 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:28 PM

*reads thread title, licks chops*
  • 0

#16 HessStation

HessStation

    FightThePower

  • Members
  • 24,062 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:29 PM

I almost got that job! *pats self on back*
  • 0

#17 HessStation

HessStation

    FightThePower

  • Members
  • 24,062 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:31 PM

And whose fault is that?

same dudes who almost got to the Super Bowl twice. *more self patting*
  • 0

#18 HessStation

HessStation

    FightThePower

  • Members
  • 24,062 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:33 PM

NO! NO! NO! Worst team in football. EVER! Facts? Numbers? Useless!

Browns are actually the worst. So...
  • 0

#19 T0mShane

T0mShane

    When it's over, that's the time I fall in love againlolo

  • Members
  • 28,106 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

This author has been taking notes from my posting. This is all sh*t I've said before.



Cool. Because the article didn't already lack credibility.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#20 HessStation

HessStation

    FightThePower

  • Members
  • 24,062 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

Cool. Because the article didn't already lack credibility.

yeah but it's not the "worst" article I've ever read.
  • 0

#21 HessStation

HessStation

    FightThePower

  • Members
  • 24,062 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

Posted Image

not the greatest superheroes but they'll do.
  • 0

#22 T0mShane

T0mShane

    When it's over, that's the time I fall in love againlolo

  • Members
  • 28,106 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:39 PM

yeah but it's not the "worst" article I've ever read.



There are worms in my stool that keep a more coherent blog than that.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#23 HessStation

HessStation

    FightThePower

  • Members
  • 24,062 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:42 PM

There are worms in my stool that keep a more coherent blog than that.

there's always the Browns and I guess, possibly the Chiefs.


Edited by HessStation, 26 November 2012 - 03:46 PM.

  • 0

#24 #27TheDominator

#27TheDominator

    Forza Rhinos!

  • Members
  • 27,843 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:43 PM

When we had those deep playoff pushes, we played great defense, we ran the ball well, and we had great special teams. Through losing players and of equal importance, aging players, we are left with a team that is a shell of those teams that were still far from good enough to get it done in 2009 and 2010. Tannenbaum has shown nothing to suggest that he can right this ship. What he's shown, over the years, is that he can make a big splash. Well, he made them, and what we all ignored as fans is that we'd have to pay the bill for them. Now we are. We have almost no depth, and we have huge contracts going to guys who aren't contributing in kind. To make matters worse, we've busted on a lot of high picks (Sanchez, Wilson, Gholston, Vlad) in a short amount of time. To make matters worse, we have very limited cap space left.

So, to recap. Bad QB with a big contract and no Kapernick type player on the roster, no real option at running back, a mess on the offensive line with two highly paid starters, an overpaid malcontent injured WR and a guy who can't catch with a decent slot WR... That's your offense. On defense, there are brutally slow and old linebackers with awful contracts, a promising but not yet performing DLine, two good CBs but tons of money at the position, and who knows what we'll do at safety. Oh, and we have no money.

Yeah, time to blow it up. Tannenbaum has gotten 7 years and this is where we are. Very few GMs last that long without a super bowl appearance.


Whatever. I knew this was the response I was going to get.

I specifically didn't try to make the point that Tannenbaum was the guy to make the changes. I believe that I actually said that. OTOH, the "blow it up" sh*t is tired. Like I said, it doesn't take 5 years to rebuild anymore. This team went from 2007 to the AFC Championship with a sh*tty rookie QB in 2009. It doesn't take that much time or that many players. It does take a hell of a lot of luck, but my point was simply that even though we may be far away, it might not take very long.

I didn't defend Tannenbaum because I don't see the point. Things aren't going well and it sure seems like his fault. You don't think he's shown he could right this ship? Who put together those 2009 and 2010 teams? Who took over that abomination from 2005? Stop acting like the ****ing guy is Kotite. You don't like him? Fair enough. They don't look very good.
  • 0

by Angel crazy with over 3000 post some day 


#25 Scott Dierking

Scott Dierking

    Jerk

  • Members
  • 13,445 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:43 PM

I consider myself to be an optimistic fan.

But, the incarnation of this current team gives me little to be optimistic about for the future. The reason more so than any other is its leadership. Or lack thereof.

Tannebaum seems to be unqualified in running the business of a football team and building it. He is not a talent evaluator and does not understood the intricacies of putting a football team together. Of a philosophy of building an organization. His is a world of numbers and metrics, which do not shape football teams with talent.

Rex Ryan seems unqualified to lead a full team. He might have inherited this gene from his daddy, who was ill equipped to be able to maturely lead separate units and manage them to mesh as a TEAM. Rex seems baffled when young men act out of immaturity to the detriment of the team. What he does not realize is that young men need to be molded and mentored in how to perform as a football team. Giving "C"'s out like they are candy is not the solve-all.

Rex is the ultimate "player's coach" who have a short shelf in terms of respect earned and demanded. The Jets are your typical "little league" team where playing time is earned by if you are friendly with the coach, or you are a "legacy". To be dislodged is simply an act that Rex is unable to bring himself to. Too many hurt feelings, which he seems to try and avoid.

Accountability has no place on the Jets, unless you want to shorten its root word to what our GM is good at.

Call me the "SOJ" if you will, but this is a tough team to watch. Even worse, it is a tough team to like because I know the GM and HC are both incompetent. And their incompetency makes it hard for potential "feel-good" stories from unlikely heroes. The Jets HC staff does not like unlikely heroes, because they are so enthralled with status quo-"Hey, this is a group that took us to 2 AFCCG's".

That is their fool's gold. I refuse to make it mine and smile in the face of stupidity.
  • 3
Originally Posted by Blackout
LOL ignorance is bless.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users