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#51 gEYno

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:42 PM

a sunk cost is money already paid. what sanchez is due is money yet to be paid. that's the dictionary definition of sunk cost, it has to have happened in the past.

if you treat future payments as sunk cost, that's not accurate. those are prospective costs. the fact that they are guarunteed kinda makes them sunk... but the fact of the matter is it's not sunk until it happens, and even for a billionaire that's alot of money to plan to flush down the toilet.

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Yes, but whether or not Mark is the QB, that money is already wasted. There's no way to avoid the cost, so it's as good as sunk. Just like next season if he starts.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:14 AM

Yep, the receivers have been getting separation all season.


Actually, they have. I've watched ever single one of them ever game. Poured over the tapes and yep, they totally have. They are not the reason he fumbles every third sack or has no feel for the game whatsoever.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:20 AM

A distraction and a roadblock from moving forward sounds like a plethora of players on this team. You only bench your starting QB when you have a viable option behind him. There isn't one. You bench him for someone worse an you're making things worse for 2013 because then you have to go back to him to start next season.


Tebow isn't worse. There is no worse. What would worse look like to you, beyond the embarrassment that Sanchez has been this year? You mean there's a worse than that? I don't believe it.

Justification of that horrific contract is the only reason he still plays. Not football. Money and saving face for Tanny.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 02:27 AM

I too think he should start all the games this year. At the worst I'm entertained by his gar-bahge play when I see it, and best case is some kind of heroic turnaround that won't happen.

It's his last open shot here.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:45 AM

Actually, they have. I've watched ever single one of them ever game. Poured over the tapes and yep, they totally have. They are not the reason he fumbles every third sack or has no feel for the game whatsoever.


You're high.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:47 AM

Tebow isn't worse. There is no worse. What would worse look like to you, beyond the embarrassment that Sanchez has been this year? You mean there's a worse than that? I don't believe it.

Justification of that horrific contract is the only reason he still plays. Not football. Money and saving face for Tanny.


Unbiased and obviously an educated viewpoint.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:25 AM

people make a big deal out of the controversy but if it wasn't Tebow it would be something else. the team always has controversy. Mark is getting paid huge money he can't use the controversy as an excuse (nor would he).


First off, Tebow is not like other controversies. I know you know that. He is a lightning bolt of attention unlike any backup QB in memory. What other backup QB gets worldwide attention? In the history of the sport, what other unskilled backup QB has ever garnered worldwide attention as a backup QB?

In the circles Woody runs in, it's more embarrassing to knowingly eat 10 million dollars than to lose. as for his business acumen I agree that's up for debate, was using the word to describe a mindset. There are many owners of losing football teams, 31 every year in fact.



This is your assumption, and I have no idea why you would think this. This assumption of yours is based on absolutely nothing since you clearly aren't in Woody's circles, as much as you're talking like an authority on the subject.

Woody's pissed away a hell of a lot more than $10M (something like 7x that while lobbying unsuccessfully for the WSS, for example, and coming up short because he lost a fight to another billionaire's lobbying efforts). It's one thing to piss it away, and another thing to piss it away and have it as a weekly, humiliating advertisement getting attention and mocking headlines for yet another year. Woody may crave headlines but I've seen no indication he wants that type.

I totally disagree with it partly because of how he came into his money. If he made his fortune himself then he'd want to see a return on what he's paying for. Far more than someone whose greatest personal accomplishment to date is still being the spermatocyte who, during its 5-day lifespan, happened to be in pole position in one of a hundred-thousand batches of his dad's spunk.

The other reason I disagree this line of thinking is, if anything, a powerful person/boss like Woody would want to show his circle of friends - if he cares about their opinions as you intimated - that he's the boss, by showing the everyone he doesn't care how much he's paid Sanchez; he'll still fire or demote him for being a crappy employee. $10M is a lot of cash, even to Woody Johnson, but it isn't enough "in the circles Woody runs in" to show that circle of friends that the tail wags the dog. That he's a powerless slave to circumstance because of an expense that doesn't affect his lifestyle one iota.

I mean you couldn't possibly be more wrong. This is the logic that would be employed by someone who is not "in the circles Woody runs in."
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

This is your assumption, and I have no idea why you would think this. This assumption of yours is based on absolutely nothing since you clearly aren't in Woody's circles, as much as you're talking like an authority on the subject.


i went to school with guys like woody (or woody's late daughter more accurately) and i currently work on Wall St. i see the mindset. It's one thing to try and fail it's another thing to just waste money for spite. Paying Mark 10 mill to play for another team or sit the bench is never gonna happen. you can believe me or not. I am not saying it's right or fair, or what I would do. i'm saying it's a likely outcome.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:03 AM

Unbiased and obviously an educated viewpoint.


Did I not ask you a question? What would worse look like to you? Be specific, since you obviously have gone to school on this.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:46 AM

Did I not ask you a question? What would worse look like to you? Be specific, since you obviously have gone to school on this.


Sanchez is a middle of the pack QB with no running game and sh*tty WR's.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

i went to school with guys like woody (or woody's late daughter more accurately) and i currently work on Wall St. i see the mindset. It's one thing to try and fail it's another thing to just waste money for spite. Paying Mark 10 mill to play for another team or sit the bench is never gonna happen. you can believe me or not. I am not saying it's right or fair, or what I would do. i'm saying it's a likely outcome.


It's $8.25M next year.

Woody may not or may not agree to a deal where he's paying the bulk of that salary while Sanchez plays elsewhere, but there's no doubt on my mind that if Sanchez is still on the roster next year, that -at best- he'll be in a competition for the starting job.

If you believe yourself when you say that that Woody doesn't interfere with football operations, how can you possibly say that he won't allow his head coach to bench him?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

If you believe yourself when you say that that Woody doesn't interfere with football operations, how can you possibly say that he won't allow his head coach to bench him?


Rex can bench him. He just doesn't have any better options. Woody isn't gonna approve another 10 million dollar QB when there's one here already. In 2014, he will. Woody isn't gonna cut Sanchez and eat that 10 mil, and sign another big money guy for 2013.

I know how bad Mark has played. But Sanchez is the best QB on the roster now and in 2013. Not saying a whole lot but it's true.

Rex can do what he likes but benching Mark for Tim or Mark for Greg is not a clear upgrade. Desperate message board posters might hope it is but watch these guys in practice it's pretty clear.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:14 PM

Rex can bench him. He just doesn't have any better options. Woody isn't gonna approve another 10 million dollar QB when there's one here already. In 2014, he will. Woody isn't gonna cut Sanchez and eat that 10 mil, and sign another big money guy for 2013.

I know how bad Mark has played. But Sanchez is the best QB on the roster now and in 2013. Not saying a whole lot but it's true.

Rex can do what he likes but benching Mark for Tim or Mark for Greg is not a clear upgrade. Desperate message board posters might hope it is but watch these guys in practice it's pretty clear.


That's a whole 'nother story. Whatever the Jets do with Sanchez's contract, short of extending him again, they simply will not have the money to sign another big name QB.

I think it's Tebow's contract -not Sanchez's- that's kept Sanchez on the field. They are in such dire straits cap wise that they simply can't afford to let Tebow hit his incentives, and have his salary increase by $5M next year. If those orders are coming from anywhere, it's probably Tannenbaum.

Next year, Tim and Sanchez can have an open competition. There's also nothing stopping the team from drafting another QB high to compete as well. I don't think the Sanchez contract stops them from doing any of that.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:36 PM


Next year, Tim and Sanchez can have an open competition. There's also nothing stopping the team from drafting another QB high to compete as well. I don't think the Sanchez contract stops them from doing any of that.


didn't they have a competition this year? It lasted like 5 minutes. I agree they might draft a QB in rd 2 there are gonna be some interesting non-first round names.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:42 PM

didn't they have a competition this year? It lasted like 5 minutes. I agree they might draft a QB in rd 2 there are gonna be some interesting non-first round names.


They did not have a competition. Sanchez was named the starter, period. I tend to buy into the theory that Tebow's escalators are the primary culprit keeping him on the bench. Unfortunately for him, at the point the Jets might be ready to turn to him -without having to give him a fat raise- he's got broken ribs.

At a certain point, it just won't matter anymore if Tebow sucks in practice if Sanchez continues to suck in games.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

a sunk cost is money already paid. what sanchez is due is money yet to be paid. that's the dictionary definition of sunk cost, it has to have happened in the past.

if you treat future payments as sunk cost, that's not accurate. those are prospective costs. the fact that they are guarunteed kinda makes them sunk... but the fact of the matter is it's not sunk until it happens, and even for a billionaire that's alot of money to plan to flush down the toilet.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Sunk_costs


Cute, but Sanchez's money is guaranteed. Just because the team hasn't physically cut the checks yet doesn't mean the money's not already spent.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

Cute, but Sanchez's money is guaranteed. Just because the team hasn't physically cut the checks yet doesn't mean the money's not already spent.


there is a difference between sunk cost and guaranteed prospective cost. For example the Jets could make improvements around the team knowing that the QB will be 6.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

Sanchez is a middle of the pack QB with no running game and sh*tty WR's.


Then how do you explain his previous three seasons?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 03:02 PM

Then how do you explain his previous three seasons?


They could run the ball.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 03:57 PM

Sanchez is a middle of the pack QB with no running game and sh*tty WR's.


Sanchez was barely a middle of the pack QB when he had the leagues best running game and the leagues best defense.

Now, with poor weapons, he's cemented himself as one of the 3 or 4 worst, and possibly the worst starter in the league.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

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He looks stoned to the bejesus.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

He looks stoned to the bejesus.


He looks so happy to be there
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:41 PM

Sanchez was barely a middle of the pack QB when he had the leagues best running game and the leagues best defense.

Now, with poor weapons, he's cemented himself as one of the 3 or 4 worst, and possibly the worst starter in the league.


He's been lucky enough to Schotty and Sparano.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

He's been lucky enough to Schotty and Sparano.


who can we blame now! OC HC WEapons FANS?!?!?! does moore have to big of a butt?
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