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[LionelRichie]

Is it the HC, the players, or just the QB that matters most?

If the Jets had another HC this year would they have won any more games with Sanchez as QB? Bellichick wasn't really special until Mo Lewis broke Bledsoe. Was Holmgren a genius or did he just have Brett Favre in his prime?

I think on the extremes coaches can make a 1 or 2 game difference - Parcells on the + side, guys like Herm, morningwieg, or Wandstedt on the minus side but for the most part it comes down to players and specifically the QB.

Would a different coach have made a difference in the 2012 Jets?

[Lupz27]

Is it the HC, the players, or just the QB that matters most?

If the Jets had another HC this year would they have won any more games with Sanchez as QB? Bellichick wasn't really special until Mo Lewis broke Bledsoe. Was Holmgren a genius or did he just have Brett Favre in his prime?

I think on the extremes coaches can make a 1 or 2 game difference - Parcells on the + side, guys like Herm, morningwieg, or Wandstedt on the minus side but for the most part it comes down to players and specifically the QB.

Would a different coach have made a difference in the 2012 Jets?

I am in the corner of HC's matter significantly, when comparing the difference between a Kotite, and a Parcells, and more recently Singletary, and Harbaugh, both proved a different HC could take the same talent, and make them a winner instead of a joke.

[LionelRichie]

I am in the corner of HC's matter significantly, when comparing the difference between a Kotite, and a Parcells, and more recently Singletary, and Harbaugh, both proved a different HC could take the same talent, and make them a winner instead of a joke.

The Jets have maybe 2 or 3 players at MOST that could start on the 49ers.

Singletary may be a terrible HC but let's not pretend that Harbaugh is making chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. The 49ers arguable have the most talented top to bottom roster in the NFL.

[tEYbow]

HC matters. But not nearly as much as people here would like to make them out to.

[bitonti]

I am in the corner that most HCs don't matter. Coaches coach and players play. I don't believe that Belly coaching this exact Jets squad (with the same players, getting injured at the same time) equates more victories. It's all hype, that a great coach can make chicken salad out of you know what. Doesn't happen... not anymore. Franchise QB's are what it's all about. Coaches are secondary.

[jetsjetsjetss]

Is it the HC, the players, or just the QB that matters most?

If the Jets had another HC this year would they have won any more games with Sanchez as QB? Bellichick wasn't really special until Mo Lewis broke Bledsoe. Was Holmgren a genius or did he just have Brett Favre in his prime?

I think on the extremes coaches can make a 1 or 2 game difference - Parcells on the + side, guys like Herm, morningwieg, or Wandstedt on the minus side but for the most part it comes down to players and specifically the QB.

Would a different coach have made a difference in the 2012 Jets?

i believe its more the spark that a head coach brings then actually who coaches it. Its all the players though. If you have a good QB leader and a good defensive leader the coach is irrelevant except for the player buying in.

[#27TheDominator]

Rudderless ship.

[Scott Dierking]

Coaches set the tone and the style. Of course they matter.

Are you going to equate Parcells with Kotite?

[Lupz27]

The Jets have maybe 2 or 3 players at MOST that could start on the 49ers.

Singletary may be a terrible HC but let's not pretend that Harbaugh is making chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. The 49ers arguable have the most talented top to bottom roster in the NFL.

Yes they do, and outside of A Smith, they had the exact same talent level that Singletary coached to a 5-11 record, so what's that tell you? HC matters!

[Bleedin Green]

Let's not be ridiculous people. Everyone knows that the only people involved with a football team that truly matter are the offensive skill position players. It's all about the RBs and WRs, baby!

[LionelRichie]

Coaches set the tone and the style. Of course they matter.

Are you going to equate Parcells with Kotite?

If you look at my initial post I said guys like Parcells are the exception. Parcells won with Hostetler, Vinny, and Ray Lucas - enough said.

That being said, there are only a handful of Parcells or Kotite type coaches. The rest fall somewhere in the middle and depend on either a great QB or a great Defense. When a head coach gets a great QB AND a great defense they are pretty much unbeatable.

[Scott Dierking]

If you look at my initial post I said guys like Parcells are the exception. Parcells won with Hostetler, Vinny, and Ray Lucas - enough said.

That being said, there are only a handful of Parcells or Kotite type coaches. The rest fall somewhere in the middle and depend on either a great QB or a great Defense. When a head coach gets a great QB AND a great defense they are pretty much unbeatable.

The fact is, there are rare "great" coaches in the league. But, there is also a separation between the rest of the dregs. You also need to pick your poison-Are you going to go with a defensive style coach, offensive style coach, "players" coach, disciplinarian, motivator, x's and o's specialist, etc, etc.

That is where the Jets keep failing-wrong style at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons.

[Matt39]

We've had enough sh*tty ones to I think know that answer.

Sure if you have Peyton Manning he's basically the coach....but there's only one of those.

[RutgersJetFan]

Coaches coach and players play. Until players need to know what to do and how to do it.

[FloridaJetsFan]

We should ask the Saints this question ...

[#27TheDominator]

There may not be a huge difference in the skill of the coaches in the league, but timing plays an enormous part. You have to get the right guy at the right time. Even the wrong guy at the right time can win - say Gruden. One of the keys IMO is holding on the talented guys. A guy like Rex can go in either direction. He could be a lunatic that keeps on thinking that he can win with Sanchez and sticks with "his guys" through thick and thin - even when the suck. He also could be trying to keep the team together and there might not be any answers on this roster. Trying doesn't matter though, we need success.

I don't have a huge problem with him sticking with these guys through this season, but heads have to roll this offseason because too many people are underperforming and while Sanchez sucking may be the #1 culprit that doesn't let the rest off the hook.

[bassmaster2]

A good QB makes a good coach , a good coach with a bad QB is not going to make a diffence , look at Denver this year and last year 9-7 to this year , Jets need a good QB , the team has not had a in many years , it would be nice to have a top 10 QB

[bitonti]

that being said there are such a thing as bad coaches like Ray Handley and Herman Edwards. The head coaches basically set the tone and that is important. THe gameday aspect of head coaching is significant as well. Coaches can cost wins.

Rex is competent, but not amazing. I'm ok with that. To answer the larger question do coaches matter, yes it does matter in that you need a good one like you need a good kicker etc. But it's not as important as the players, JMO. on the pro level most of the coaching is competent but only a few of the players are special.

Edited by bitonti, 29 November 2012 - 09:27 PM.

[SenorGato]

Nowhere neeeeeeaaaaar as important as the offensive coordinator.

Edited by SenorGato, 29 November 2012 - 10:32 PM.

[Bugg]

that being said there are such a thing as bad coaches like Ray Handley and Herman Edwards. The head coaches basically set the tone and that is important. THe gameday aspect of head coaching is significant as well. Coaches can cost wins.

Rex is competent, but not amazing. I'm ok with that. To answer the larger question do coaches matter, yes it does matter in that you need a good one like you need a good kicker etc. But it's not as important as the players, JMO. on the pro level most of the coaching is competent but only a few of the players are special.

Making ground and pound your offense is bad coaching in 2012. Also, the Jets have had a mess of defense-oriented head coaches in a row in a league where big picture offense in general and quality QB play especially wins. I really don't get is how anyone could be an NFL HC and not know how timeouts and challenges work. Or getting plays called and packages in and out quickly and competently. And you see it here and elsewhere every week.

In 2012 though QB is key. Don't know how you wiff on Sanchez nor then sincr at least last year how you don't do everything you can to get a competent replacement. If we had kept Stanton perhaps this would have been a very different season. And yet for 4 years the Jets have not had a plausible alternative to Sanchez, nor even a decent backup. The didn't kick the tires on Matt Flynn, they didn't push very hard for Manning, they didn't try to pry Brees out of NO, and they didn't look into drafting Kapernick or anyone else.At the most important spot on an a NFL team in 2012(and going back 3 seasons)the Jets have completely shart themselves in every way and walk around pretendingt there is no bad smell and no brown stain. In short the GM and his chief scout are collasally sh*tty at their jobs. And when Rex Ryan babbles again this Sunday about Pick 6 giving him the best chance to win he needs to be fired and hit repeatedly with a blunt object until he shuts the ___up.