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[HessStation]

Those 96-98 Broncos teams were loaded.

loaded bc they won. They won bc of Elway.

[HessStation]

3 Kosar

i would even put Brady before Kosar.

[Matt39]

loaded bc they won. They won bc of Elway.

Yeah the guy that rushed for 2000 yards didnt make a difference.

[Matt39]

elway was totally better than marino. Arm, wheels, leadership, clutch. He was the most complete QB I've ever seen.

Its not even close imo.

Elway
1984 - 380 attempts, 56% 2600 18/15 76.8
1985 - 605 attempts, 54% 3891 22/23 70.2
1986 - 504 attempts, 56% 3485 19/13 79.0
1987 - 410 attempts, 55% 3189 19/12 83.4
1988 - 496 attempts, 55% 3309 17/19 71.4
1989 - 416 attempts, 54% 3051 18/18 73.7
1990 - 502 attempts, 59% 3526 15/14 78.5
1991 - 451 attempts, 54% 3253 13/12 75.4
1992 - 316 attempts, 55% 2242 10/17 65.7
1993 - 551attempts, 63% 4030 25/10 92.8
1994 - 494attempts, 62% 3490 16/10 85.7


Marino
1984 - 564 attempts, 64% 5084 48/17 108.9
1985 - 567 attempts, 59% 4137 30/21 84.1
1986 - 623 attempts, 61% 4746 44/23 92.5
1987 - 444 attempts, 59% 3245 26/13 89.2
1988 - 606 attempts, 58% 4434 28/23 80.8
1989 - 550 attempts, 56% 3997 24/22 76.9
1990 - 531 attempts, 58% 3563 21/11 82.6
1991 - 549 attempts, 58% 3970 25/13 85.8
1992 - 554 attempts, 60% 4116 24/16 85.1
1993 - only played 5 games
1994 - 615 attempts, 63% 4453 30/17 89.2

The only thing Elway ever beat Marino in during that 10 years was throwing less picks, with less attempts and in 1990 he had a 1% point higehr completion percentage.

Thats it. Marino was a better in every other years on every other stat.

Edited by Matt39, 30 November 2012 - 02:23 PM.

[Integrity28]

Its not even close imo.

Elway
1984 - 380 attempts, 56% 2600 18/15 76.8
1985 - 605 attempts, 54% 3891 22/23 70.2
1986 - 504 attempts, 56% 3485 19/13 79.0
1987 - 410 attempts, 55% 3189 19/12 83.4
1988 - 496 attempts, 55% 3309 17/19 71.4
1989 - 416 attempts, 54% 3051 18/18 73.7
1990 - 502 attempts, 59% 3526 15/14 78.5
1991 - 451 attempts, 54% 3253 13/12 75.4
1992 - 316 attempts, 55% 2242 10/17 65.7
1993 - 551attempts, 63% 4030 25/10 92.8
1994 - 494attempts, 62% 3490 16/10 85.7


Marino
1984 - 564 attempts, 64% 5084 48/17 108.9
1985 - 567 attempts, 59% 4137 30/21 84.1
1986 - 623 attempts, 61% 4746 44/23 92.5
1987 - 444 attempts, 59% 3245 26/13 89.2
1988 - 606 attempts, 58% 4434 28/23 80.8
1989 - 550 attempts, 56% 3997 24/22 76.9
1990 - 531 attempts, 58% 3563 21/11 82.6
1991 - 549 attempts, 58% 3970 25/13 85.8
1992 - 554 attempts, 60% 4116 24/16 85.1
1993 - only played 5 games
1994 - 615 attempts, 63% 4453 30/17 89.2

The only thing Elway ever beat Marino in during that 10 years was throwing less picks, with less attempts and in 1990 he had a 1% point higehr completion percentage.

Thats it. Marino was a better in every other years on every other stat.

Stats don't win games. Players do.

Marino was a compiler, that's what he was great at. Elway was better at winning. If I had to play one game and pick between those two guys, I'm taking Elway every time.

[Matt39]

Stats don't win games. Players do.

Marino was a compiler, that's what he was great at. Elway was better at winning. If I had to play one game and pick between those two guys, I'm taking Elway every time.

Elway had one more win than Marino.

[Integrity28]

Elway had one more win than Marino.

Where... in the playoffs? Superbowl? LOL

I guess at the end of the day, none of these guys play the sport for championships... just stat compiling.

Like I said, I don't even put Elway in the same class as a pure QB as Marino... but you are well beyond absurd at this point. sh*t, you started off comparing the guy to Sanchez. C'mon man!!!! COME ON!!!

[Matt39]

Where... in the playoffs? Superbowl? LOL

I guess at the end of the day, none of these guys play the sport for championships... just stat compiling.

Like I said, I don't even put Elway in the same class as a pure QB as Marino... but you are well beyond absurd at this point. sh*t, you started off comparing the guy to Sanchez. C'mon man!!!! COME ON!!!

I never compared Elway to Sanchez. I said he was putting up Sanchez like numbers early in his career.

Elway won two Super Bowls in the twilight of his career on absolutely loaded teams. And the teams he went to the Super Bowl on in the 80's were 15th, 7th and 1st in overall defense.

Edited by Matt39, 30 November 2012 - 02:58 PM.

[Integrity28]

I never compared Elway to Sanchez. I said he was putting up Sanchez like numbers early in his career.

Elway won two Super Bowls in the twilight of his career on absolutely loaded teams. And the teams he went to the Super Bowl on in the 80's were 15th, 7th and 1st in overall defense.

That's a comparison. Stop rambling for 5 minutes, read what you are spewing, and think about how it comes across to people.

[Matt39]

loaded bc they won. They won bc of Elway.

I suppose then he takes the blame for losing to the second year Jaguars at home in the playoffs as 14 point favorites?

Edited by Matt39, 30 November 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[PatriotReign37]

i would even put Brady before Kosar.

3 Otto Graham, 4 Kosar

[Stonehands]

I think a head coach matters, but you don't need to have the same skill set as a coordinator. A good head coach is somewhat removed from the players and spends his time managing the coordinators and making sure they are doing what needs to be done. They are in a quality control type of role overseeing all operations. A coordinator needs to be hands on and understanding the strengths and weaknesses of everyone in his area and reporting to the coach. That is why you see so many new head coaches struggle off the bat because they try to use the same approach they had as a position coach or a coordinator as the head guy. I like what Tampa did with Greg Schiano, bring in someone with previous head coaching experience at some level who knows how to run a program instead of trying to ram a square peg into a round hole. Just because you are a good chef does not make you a great restaurant owner.