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#1 Maxman

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:14 PM

There is lots of talk about Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum and whether he’ll be back with the team next season. Tannenbaum is often described as a “salary cap genius” in regards to his knowledge of contracts and the cap process but his drafting and talent evaluation gets criticized as causing an overall decline in the Jets roster.

Tannenbaum’s record doesn’t really show he’s earned the reputation as a great “capologist” and a bad drafter. It was Tannenbaum who built a team that went to the AFC championship game in 2009-10 including an 11 win season during that 2010 year, with the same coach and quarterback. This quarterback/coach combination has been 12-15 since the end of the 2010 season.
Many of the players who led to the team’s success were obtained during 2006-07 offseasons, which the Jets had 14 draft picks and traded back in the 2007 second round acquiring RB Thomas Jones.

Taking a look at the Jets drafts against other teams shows that Tannenbaum has not done a bad job with the actual draft picks he’s made since 2008. The New England Patriots had 40 picks from 2008-11 with 11 prospects working out, while the Houston Texans had 32 picks with 13 helping the team but the Jets had 19 picks with 11 contributing.

Now this analysis is subjective and these other teams had extra players to choose from, so the Jets may have been forced to stick with their picks more than teams with a higher number of prospects, but when Tannenbaum misses on a player, like Vladimir Ducasse, it is heightened by the Jets having so few picks.

The Jets were one of the most aggressive teams in the league and “trader Mike” would do whatever it took over the last several years to fill holes:
  • 2008) Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for NT/DT Kris Jenkins. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 – 6 games, 2010 – 1 game).
  • 2009) Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay Packers for QB Brett Favre (One season, 2008).
  • Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB Lito Sheppard (One season 2009).
  • 2010) Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland Browns for WR Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).
  • Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.
  • Jets trade 5th (155), acquired from Philadelphia Eagles, to the Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (Became a free agent after 2010 season, resigned by Jets 5 years, $50 million, $24 million guaranteed).
  • 2011) Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets, 4 years, $32 million, $14 million guaranteed).
  • 2012) Traded away QB Drew Stanton, for the Indianapolis Colts sixth round pick (187), his $500,000 signing bonus remained on the salary cap, after acquiring QB Tim Tebow from the Denver Broncos for the Jets 4th (108) & 6th (188) taking on an additional $1.75 million in 2012 along with $1.03 million in guaranteed 2013 salary, (Tebow’s 2012 season, 6-of-7 for 39 yards passing, 87 yards rushing in 29 attempts, 3.0 average).
Tannenbaum has traded up 6 times since the 2008 draft and has traded back once giving a 4th (102) to the Green Bay Packers for their 4th (113 – DB Dwight Lowery) and 5th (162 – QB Erik Ainge, 2008). So Tannenbaum chose to build the team since 2008 via free agency, veterans for draft picks and draft trade-ups for the “ready-made” rather than developmental players.

Here are some contract decisions Tannenbaum made as well:
  • 2010) Renegotiated/caved to Darrelle Revis’ demands with 3 years remaining on his current contract giving him a 4 year, $46 million, $32 million guaranteed, “band aid” contract. Revis becomes a free agent after the 2013 season and can’t be restricted (franchised) in anyway by the Jets.
  • 2011) Signed LB David Harris, 4 year $36 million, $29.5 million guaranteed (biggest contract of any ILB in NFL history).
  • Cut LB Bart Scott’s 2011 salary by a $1 million agreeing to guarantee his $4.2 million 2012 salary.
  • 2012) Gave QB Mark Sanchez a contract extension worth $20.5 million fully guaranteed over 2012/13.
Tannenbaum’s team building strategy, not using the draft, along with bad contract decisions has led the Jets to deal with salary issues stifling the team’s ability to make roster changes/maneuvers. The fact that they were cautious during free agency in 2012 signing mostly one year deals, have not been willing to make in-season trades, sign many available free agents or make waiver claims for higher priced players to fill holes, shows the team was forced to take a different approach.

The Jets became very salary top heavy with almost half their 2012 cap space tied up in the pay of 7 players without the ability to get much relief. They’re a projected $19 million over the 2013 cap with many current starters heading to free agency after 2012.
Assuming Tannenbaum had the autonomy, Woody Johnson didn’t force him, to make decisions Tannenbaum is a “salary cap genius” alright, he’s a genius at putting the team over the cap, restricting necessary moves, but his drafts were not bad compared to others in the league.

A true “cap guru” would not use this fiscal irresponsible ultra aggressive building style because he’d know the end result would be a quick decline in talent with no way to improve the roster given the financial constraints.

So next time you hear Mike Tannenbaum is a “cap guy” not a “draft guy”, think again, because you’d wonder if any team in the league will want him to manage their salary cap after what he’s done to the Jets?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:18 PM

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:25 PM

but what about sanchez's weapons?!?!?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:45 PM

I hate him
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:01 PM

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

So he's great at the draft except for the actual drafting part?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:03 PM

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:05 PM

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:16 PM

Tesla, Hawking, Mill, Newton, Tannenbaum.
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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:18 PM

Fermat, von Goethe, Kant, Darwin, Wittgenstein, Tannenbaum.
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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:19 PM

Bach, Galileo, Locke, Archimedes, Tannenbaum.
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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:55 PM

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:11 AM

nice try.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:38 AM

The word "genius" should never be used in the context of describing anyone, in any position, around the NFL.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:49 AM

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:50 AM

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:51 AM

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:03 AM

all the people scoffing at this thread title. should remember that Darrelle Revis (trade up) was the best pick this franchise has made since Joe Willy. I think the thesis of this article is pretty much sound. he's been an above average drafter in high rounds. He's had some good trades. He's been below average in building a balanced squad with depth ( too top heavy). His late round picks are terrible.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:26 AM

This is the first time that his contracts have really come back to bite us on the ass. Now and maybe when they didn't keep their alleged promise to Kendall. There were a bunch of times that we were told we were in cap hell and there were ways that he had worked into deals to finagle out of money. He managed to get Favre on board despite already being at the limit. Jason will probably remember better. The Holmes, Sanchez and Harris deals are brutal. I don't think the Scott deal was so horrible because there were a few clauses in it, such as offsets if he is signed by somebody else, etc and the purpose was to move some money around for 2011. It didn't work out, but it's not a ton of money over a ton of years like the others.

People blasted him for it, but the initial Revis deal - which came because of a holdout was partially a result of him wanting to lock Revis up longer term. That obviously was smart - he didn't do that sh*t with Kyle Wilson. .
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:21 PM

Provocative title, but only the salary cap novice part is remotely true.

Tannenbaum sucks at drafting, and worse, he's afraid of drafting. He locks onto a couple players every year, and some of those hit, but he would always rather spend picks that should represent developing players on expensive veterans. It tied the team's hands this year, and will do so again next year.

Just since 2008 he's traded away three 3rds, three 5ths, a second and a fourth. Those are picks that should be the depth of the team. All the positions where they're thin should've been addressed with those picks. Lots of LB, S, RB, and OL in those middle rounds. But Tannenbaum has no confidence in himself or his scouting team, so instead those picks went for overpriced vets who are either no longer here, or more overpriced than ever before. Only Cromartie really worked out, and that's only because they (thankfully!) whiffed on Nnamdi.

The handing out of guaranteed money is a recent development, which basically came about because he was running out of even future cap space. The result is the Sanchez and Bart Scott black hole deals.

There's a light at the end of the tunnel coming up in 2014. Tannenbaum can't be allowed to stay for 2013, because he will -without a doubt- simply look to increase the length of that tunnel in an effort to save his own ass. Again.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

Tannenbaum sucks at drafting, and worse, he's afraid of drafting.


I am playing devils advocate here. I know tanny deserves to be fired. but this man drafted Revis, Mangold, Brick, Harris and Mo Wilkerson. He's very good at high picks. He's below average in the late rounds. But cmon. To say he sucks at drafting is ignoring these picks, including the Revis pick which was arguably the best pick since Willy. Over 40+ years of Jets history, that pick was top 2.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:35 PM

I am playing devils advocate here. I know tanny deserves to be fired. but this man drafted Revis, Mangold, Brick, Harris and Mo Wilkerson. He's very good at high picks. He's below average in the late rounds. But cmon. To say he sucks at drafting is ignoring these picks, including the Revis pick which was arguably the best pick since Willy. Over 40+ years of Jets history, that pick was top 2.


Revis is an all-time great, the rest are just contributors. Drafting contributors in the first round, or first 50 picks, or whatever, isn't any great challenge. His overall job is to build a team, he sucks at that. You need a number of overachievers every year to build a contender, but trading away picks for overpriced veterans means never having guys who are outperforming their deals.

How much better would this team be with a few more Jeremy Kerley types? Tannenbaum has pissed away the opportunity to draft more of those guys.

Sanchez, Clemens, Gholston, Wilson, and Ducasse all say hi. Not to mention the boar hunter.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:56 PM

Revis is an all-time great, the rest are just contributors.


this sells short Mangold who is a perennial all Pro. again I am mostly on the "fire Tanny" bandwagon but let's not sit here and pretend everything is s--t just cause the Jets are losing. They have had some very good picks in the last few years.

i also think it's inaccurate to lump Wilson and Vlad (and even Sanchez) in with Gholston. These guys are all starters. VG was a pure bust.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

this sells short Mangold who is a perennial all Pro. again I am mostly on the "fire Tanny" bandwagon but let's not sit here and pretend everything is s--t just cause the Jets are losing. They have had some very good picks in the last few years.

i also think it's inaccurate to lump Wilson and Vlad (and even Sanchez) in with Gholston. These guys are all starters. VG was a pure bust.


I like Mangold a lot, but there's really no such thing as an impact center. The Jets needed OL help, and took the best center in the draft in the first round. Not exactly a brilliant selection.

And Wilson, Ducasse, and Sanchez are starters? On what other team? I give all the Jets' picks the benefit of the doubt for far longer than they deserve, and you go further than me. Lol. The jury is in, those are three terrible picks.
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