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[bitonti]

ducasse actually does a good job in the run game. He's not bad.

[sirlancemehlot]

So the OL coach, who is a professional, who works with and has worked with lineman and has made a career of working with lineman and, particular, the Jets linemen, says he's being overruled in his assessment of one of his player, by someone above him, even above his "boss". The player in question has been underwhelming and has failed to crack the starting lineup for years, and cannot win the guard position currently held by a mediocre former 6th round pick. DeGugliemlmo has to be furious, or looking for another job or both, in order to come out and tell the truth about how this organization is run. It's big indictment of the FO. How long before Sporano steps up and admits Tebow was a waste of time and has a mandatory play count from week to week? I'm finding it hard to justify rooting for this team. Every pretense of being a "football" organizatioin has been dropped. This is a business with a business model in place that puts on-field success way below financial success in its list of priorities. And they aren't even pretending to be a team anymore. Just a money machine. Nothing else. You can't get enough Tebow.

[bitonti]

Every pretense of being a "football" organizatioin has been dropped. This is a business with a business model in place that puts on-field success way below financial success in its list of priorities. And they aren't even pretending to be a team anymore. Just a money machine. Nothing else. You can't get enough Tebow.

believe it or not, that's every team in the league. it's all about money, always.

[LurkerKing]

believe it or not, that's every team in the league. it's all about money, always.

Most organizations are smart enough to realize winning = money.

Edited by LurkerKing, 30 November 2012 - 11:32 AM.

[sirlancemehlot]

ducasse actually does a good job in the run game. He's not bad.

Right. We've never had a bad draft pick. Gholston was just coming around when we let him go. Wilson is still a "project". Hill is still a "project". Sanchez just needs to "mature". Greene needs a better line. The line is actually pretty good. Ducasse is actually good in the run game. Coples needs time to develop.

Trader Mike must be gone. The beans have been counted and he's come up short one time too many.

[#27TheDominator]

So the OL coach, who is a professional, who works with and has worked with lineman and has made a career of working with lineman and, particular, the Jets linemen, says he's being overruled in his assessment of one of his player, by someone above him, even above his "boss". The player in question has been underwhelming and has failed to crack the starting lineup for years, and cannot win the guard position currently held by a mediocre former 6th round pick. DeGugliemlmo has to be furious, or looking for another job or both, in order to come out and tell the truth about how this organization is run. It's big indictment of the FO. How long before Sporano steps up and admits Tebow was a waste of time and has a mandatory play count from week to week? I'm finding it hard to justify rooting for this team. Every pretense of being a "football" organizatioin has been dropped. This is a business with a business model in place that puts on-field success way below financial success in its list of priorities. And they aren't even pretending to be a team anymore. Just a money machine. Nothing else. You can't get enough Tebow.

"This guy is the starting right tackle," DeGuglielmo said in an interview with reporters today. "Until they tell me otherwise, until they ship him out of this building or until they shoot me dead in my office, that son-of-a-gun is going to be the starting right tackle. And he's going to play well."

He is not introverted, he is not any of the things people say he is. He has a great personality, great energy, great desire and great skills. It looks like the makings of something great."

"I wanted Wayne Hunter, so the last thing I would ever want to see happen is not have Wayne Hunter as the starting right tackle," DeGuglielmo said. "He’s big, he's athletic, he’s aggressive, he's a smart guy, he practices at top speed, he practices physical, he pays attention to detail. Everything you give him to do on the field, he does it, and he does it naturally."

[sirlancemehlot]

believe it or not, that's every team in the league. it's all about money, always.

Yes but the model is to be a good team, and win over fans, make the product better and the buyers will respond. There's a reason more stable, successful teams would never bring in a Tebow. Because Tebow brings a quick bounce in popularity, but no long-term success. The Jets are a team that milks its fanbase for every penny without concern for the product it puts out. Which is why we have Rex on the back page every day while the Giants quietly win Super Bowls.

[sirlancemehlot]

"This guy is the starting right tackle," DeGuglielmo said in an interview with reporters today. "Until they tell me otherwise, until they ship him out of this building or until they shoot me dead in my office, that son-of-a-gun is going to be the starting right tackle. And he's going to play well."

He is not introverted, he is not any of the things people say he is. He has a great personality, great energy, great desire and great skills. It looks like the makings of something great."

"I wanted Wayne Hunter, so the last thing I would ever want to see happen is not have Wayne Hunter as the starting right tackle," DeGuglielmo said. "He’s big, he's athletic, he’s aggressive, he's a smart guy, he practices at top speed, he practices physical, he pays attention to detail. Everything you give him to do on the field, he does it, and he does it naturally."

So Ducasse is good because Wayne Hunter couldn't cut it? Gug's assessment of Hunter was off so his assessment of Ducasse must be off? Ever think the Jets paid Hunter a chunk of change and Gug's was forced to start him as well? Or that he had no other RT on the roster so he was giving Hunter a shot of confidence? If you can argue that Ducasse is a good football player, I'm all ears.

[unbanmadmike1]

Well now we know why Sanchez is allowed to suck out loud with no risk of him ever being pulled from a game.

believe it or not, that's every team in the league. it's all about money, always.

You know how you get money? Put the best players in and win ****ing games.

Edited by unbanmadmike1, 30 November 2012 - 11:44 AM.

[slats]

Didn't Jason address this very subject? Something about keeping Slauson's number of plays down, which in turn keeps him from hitting a playing time $$$ incentive?

I know Rex is the new popular whipping boy, but I suspect this one is on the old whipping boy.

[#27TheDominator]

So Ducasse is good because Wayne Hunter couldn't cut it? Gug's assessment of Hunter was off so his assessment of Ducasse must be off? Ever think the Jets paid Hunter a chunk of change and Gug's was forced to start him as well? Or that he had no other RT on the roster so he was giving Hunter a shot of confidence? If you can argue that Ducasse is a good football player, I'm all ears.

No, but the opinion of the OL coach doesn't seem like it's worth the paper that it's written on. Read the whole article, the guy sounds like an ass. He should probably be locked in a basement and by all means kept away from a microphone.

[New York Mick]

This team is cursed.

[bitonti]

Right. We've never had a bad draft pick. Gholston was just coming around when we let him go. Wilson is still a "project". Hill is still a "project". Sanchez just needs to "mature". Greene needs a better line. The line is actually pretty good. Ducasse is actually good in the run game. Coples needs time to develop.

it's notable that you excluded Revis, Mangold, Brick and Harris. All great Tanny picks. Even Mo Wilkerson looks like a Pro bowler and not in your paragraph. I agree Tanny could be fired, and it will be because of Sanchez extension. but if you expect the draft to always be great, that's unrealistic. The Revis trade up was the best Jets pick for 40+ years. But we can't talk about that when it's pitchfork time.

Edited by bitonti, 30 November 2012 - 01:23 PM.

[bitonti]

You know how you get money? Put the best players in and win ****ing games.

The league splits the billion dollar Tv contracts 32 ways. the league splits merch 32 ways (that's jersey sales). The only money that is the Jets alone is ticket sales (PSL) and parking fees. The Jets make tons of money and they don't have to win to do it.

[unbanmadmike1]

The league splits the billion dollar Tv contracts 32 ways. the league splits merch 32 ways (that's jersey sales). The only money that is the Jets alone is ticket sales (PSL) and parking fees. The Jets make tons of money and they don't have to win to do it.

That kneecaps the argument that Decasse is playing because of money.

[bitonti]

That kneecaps the argument that Decasse is playing because of money.

Keep in mind both Slauson and Moore are free agents next year. It would be good to have some Vlad tape when making that decision. And fwiw i've seen both of those players make more high profile mistakes than Vlad. Moore especially has been wrecked by the Pats. Mark running into Moore's ass happened because Moore was in the process of getting bull rushed to the locker room. Also the play where Sanchez had to kick the ball out of the ez, slauson was getting blown up.

[#27TheDominator]

That kneecaps the argument that Decasse is playing because of money.

The money is the salary cap. To have a better team it will help to save some money at G. As Bit says both starters are FAs next year. This is exactly the kind of thing we'd like to do during a "lost season" but apparently they were trying it early on.

[BroadwayJoe12]

I actually liked his point about the poor blocking of the Tight Ends and indirectly talking about the backs not hitting the holes fast enough or sacks being from poor blitz pickup by the fullback or the QB holding onto the ball too much. It is always on the Oline, even when no one else is doing their job.

[CrazyCarl40]

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Rex said flat out that Tannenbaum has not ordered him to play Vlad. #jets #nyj

[cr726]

No, but the opinion of the OL coach doesn't seem like it's worth the paper that it's written on. Read the whole article, the guy sounds like an ass. He should probably be locked in a basement and by all means kept away from a microphone.

He's here because of Sparano, that's enough for me not to care about his opinion. This guy is low on the chain of command, doesn't appear he knows it.