HessStation Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The one that got away.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Wish Braylon was still here. But to call Sanchez a "beast".. come on man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I saw the stat recently, Rex's elite defenses have given up 7 4th quarter game winning drives by the opponent during his tenure with the Jets. Well, when your strategy, going into every single game, is to win 13-10, that will happen sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I saw the stat recently, Rex's elite defenses have given up 7 4th quarter game winning drives by the opponent during his tenure with the Jets. I would ask you to remember that a defense would get worn out by spending the entire game on the field while the offense goes 3 and out all day. This would be most evident in the 4th quarter of a contest. Statistics is the only science that lies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 https://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/14724/braylon-likes-wilson-better-than-sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 He is not a great qb, I think that has been gone over ad nauseum. I am sure, if you would ask Rex, if he would like to have the game in his defenses hands, in order to win a game in teh 4th quarter, you would receive an enthusiastic "yes!". They have failed to protect leads. That is not a big secret. How big were the leads they blew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 When you have a HOF back, some solid receivers, an outstanding O-line, and the top pass defense, of course he's going to look like he improved. And give him a crappy back,recievers who can't catch a cold, a sieve for a O-Line and a defense on the bottom of the league in sacks and pressures, of course he is gonna regress.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 How big were the leads they blew? www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/kimberley-martin/rex-ryan-s-defense-needs-to-finish-teams-off-1.4145898 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/kimberley-martin/rex-ryan-s-defense-needs-to-finish-teams-off-1.4145898 Nothing there that answers my question. How many points did the offense score in those games? How many points did the offense score in the 4th quarter of the games that the defense gave away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Nothing there that answers my question. How many points did the offense score in those games? How many points did the offense score in the 4th quarter of the games that the defense gave away? Rex Ryan tells us we have an elite defense. My expectations of an elite defense is that they hold a lead when the game is on the line. Rex's defenses have not done that and have allowed long field marches in those spots. Moire so than should be expected on average. The Jets play conservative on offense, to put in the defenses hands. And they have given up some mind numbing drives to end games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Rex Ryan tells us we have an elite defense. My expectations of an elite defense is that they hold a lead when the game is on the line. Rex's defenses have not done that and have allowed long field marches in those spots. Moire so than should be expected on average. The Jets play conservative on offense, to put in the defenses hands. And they have given up some mind numbing drives to end games. Like the Tebow game last year when the defense gave up three points through 57 minutes off of three days of rest in Mile High Stadium when the offense couldn't stay on the field for more than three plays at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Like the Tebow game last year when the defense gave up three points through 57 minutes off of three days of rest in Mile High Stadium when the offense couldn't stay on the field for more than three plays at a time. Yup, elite defenses close those games out. Good example! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Mark Sanchez sucks, but you can rightfully point to the incompetence of the front office for much of his sucking. They thought it was a good idea to surround him with Plaxico, Derrick Mason and Santonio at one point. There's no spinning that kind of idiotic thinking. Yeah. Look at the three pieces a qb needs, offensive line, wide receivers, and running game. Look at the team from when Sanchez came aboard in 2009. Every single year from his rookie start, each of those 3 pieces has gotten worse than they had been the year before. Every one of those 3 units. It is nonsensical to think a qb can really improve if all his supporting units are neglected and deteriorate each successive season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Yup, elite defenses close those games out. Good example! Name an elite defense that would have closed that game out. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 See this is where you're dead wrong. There was no progression in 2010, and no regression since, unless you count going from "sucking" to "sucking just as badly while sprinkling in an attitude of 'I don't want to be here'" as regression. 2010 was probably the most talented Jets team EVER, or at least top 3. It hid Mark's flaws quite nicely. When you have a HOF back, some solid receivers, an outstanding O-line, and the top pass defense, of course he's going to look like he improved. The oline was not as good as the year before with the absence of Fanaca, and the hof back had a decent season but mentioning him as this team having a hof back is misleading, LT hadn't been putting out hof caliber seasons by that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Name an elite defense that would have closed that game out. Prove it. It is the amount of times that it has happened. Will a game get away here or there? Absolutely. With Rex's defense, it has been a regular occurence. Have you not seen it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFtoLong Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Mark sucks ass, he is awful, maybe the worst QB in the league. But the idiots calling the shots have let him go this long. Not only did they draft him. They developed him, they picked the offense, they watch him, they brought in nobody viable to play the position. The idiots calling the shots are to blame, for allowing this to be our QB and offensive situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The oline was not as good as the year before with the absence of Fanaca The running game took a slight step back but not the pass-blocking, once Slauson "gelled" with the rest of the line into his role. Faneca ended up having a terrible year for Arizona, especially when it came to sacks allowed. LT was certainly an upgrade over Thomas Jones, even if Jones seemed to be more productive the prior season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I used to blame it on idiot Schotty... but now that we have another idiot I can only blame the original idiot since 09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I used to blame it on idiot Schotty... but now that we have another idiot I can only blame the original idiot since 09. Gato? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The idiots calling the shots arent responsible for 44 turnovers since last year. Yes, thats right, Mark has turned the ball over 44 times in the last 2 seasons. Unreal, right? He's second in the NFL in turnovers since 2009. Do you know who is #1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 It is the amount of times that it has happened. Will a game get away here or there? Absolutely. With Rex's defense, it has been a regular occurence. Have you not seen it? I see it as the offense not closing the game out. If they could manage to stay on the field or score some points after exhausting their defense by not doing so for three quarters... But while we're certain this is a regular feature of Rex' defenses. How do you explain it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I see it as the offense not closing the game out. If they could manage to stay on the field or score some points after exhausting their defense by not doing so for three quarters... But while we're certain this is a regular feature of Rex' defenses. How do you explain it? First, Rex Ryan is also supposed to be managing the offense. Any problem with that area, is also a reflection of him. As to the defensive failings, I am not sure that I could put one definitive reason, but I have seen Rex go into a shell late and forgo giving blitz looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Braylon Edwards @OfficialBraylon I would like to apologize to the Jets family and my fans for my emotional outburst. Mark is a friend and former teammate, who I wholeheartedly support. Nonetheless, I have disrespected and insulted an administration that I have the utmost respect for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 https://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/14724/braylon-likes-wilson-better-than-sanchez Bray's earlier statement isn't contradictory of his statements now. He can like Wilson more than Sanchez (everyone should by now), and still think Tanny did a crappy job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 He's second in the NFL in turnovers since 2009. Do you know who is #1? Oh, tell me tell me!!! Braylon Edwards @OfficialBraylon I would like to apologize to the Jets family and my fans for my emotional outburst. Mark is a friend and former teammate, who I wholeheartedly support. Nonetheless, I have disrespected and insulted an administration that I have the utmost respect for. Haha. Braylon's got issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 He just realized they fired Schottenheimer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Braylon Edwards @OfficialBraylon I would like to apologize to the Jets family and my fans for my emotional outburst. Mark is a friend and former teammate, who I wholeheartedly support. Nonetheless, I have disrespected and insulted an administration that I have the utmost respect for. I think Woody just slipped him $50,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Oh, tell me tell me!!! Haha. Braylon's got issues. He has a white hair in his beard! Cut him some slack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 He just realized they fired Schottenheimer? I think Woody just slipped him $50,000 LOL - didnt Braylon tell Jeff Ireland to call Rex for a reference? That dudes got mental issues me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 And after sobering up... Braylon Edwards @OfficialBraylon I would like to apologize to the Jets family and my fans for my emotional outburst. Mark is a friend and former teammate, who I wholeheartedly support. Nonetheless, I have disrespected and insulted an administration that I have the utmost respect for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Holy double talk B-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Bray's earlier statement isn't contradictory of his statements now. He can like Wilson more than Sanchez (everyone should by now), and still think Tanny did a crappy job. Except, the statement was made before Wilson had started a single game. Sure, it's not a contradiction by definition, but the comment was pretty telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I think Woody just slipped him $50,000 Nah you got it backwards Woody Would have slipped him 50k if he continued the controversial tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 it all comes down to this gm has no clue on how to draft please drafting a QB who stated what 8 games please the dirt bag needs to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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