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ARTICLE: History Suggests Sanchez May Be Better Off Elsewhere


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#1 MittILR

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

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Fourteen years before the Jets selected Sanchez out of Southern Cal, the Carolina Panthers selected Kerry Collins with the fifth overall pick. Like Sanchez, Collins struggled in key areas. With the Panthers, Collins’s highest completion percentage was a meager 56, while Sanchez’s best with the Jets was 56.7 percent. In 1997 Collins led the league with 21 interceptions, whereas Sanchez was second in the league in 2009 with 20 and fifth in 2011 with 18. Both players were frequent fumblers, often among the worst offenders in the league.


In Collins’s fourth season, the team placed him on waivers. He finished the year in New Orleans. After the season the Giants acquired him. A year later Collins had repaired his career to the point that he aided the Giants to a 12-4 record and a Super Bowl berth. In that championship game, Collins faced off against the Baltimore Ravens and their quarterback Trent Dilfer.


Like Collins and Sanchez, Dilfer was a top pick (sixth over all in 1994) who struggled with his original team. Dilfer spent six seasons with Tampa Bay, and although he made the Pro Bowl in his fourth year, he was a below average quarterback for the other five seasons. The Ravens acquired him in his seventh season, and he became their starter for that championship season.


Dilfer would eventually play for Seattle, Cleveland and San Francisco, while Collins had stops in Oakland, Tennessee and Indianapolis. It is unclear whether Collins and Dilfer profited from a new organization, lowered expectations, or an extra dose of humility.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

They all suck. Dilfer was terrible, Collins was mediocre at best. Sanchez is down right garbage.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:31 PM

I don't think even the jags would take him as a starter

he's david carr 2.0
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:40 PM

I don't think even the jags would take him as a starter

he's david carr 2.0

Sanchez wishes he was Carr. Carr is a #2. If Eli went down, the franchise would be worried. But Carr is at least a QB. If Matt Leinart went down and Sanchez was the backup, people would be off'ing themselves.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:08 PM

So...Sanchez would be better off playing for another team? Hmmm...what a novel concept. Also would benefit from being on another team: Greg McElroy QB 24 6-2 225 2 Alabama 6 Mark Sanchez QB 26 6-2 225 4 USC 15 Tim Tebow QB 25 6-3 236 3 Florida 21 Kahlil Bell RB 25 5-11 219 4 UCLA 23 Shonn Greene RB 27 5-11 226 4 Iowa 25 Joe McKnight RB 24 5-11 205 3 USC 29 Bilal Powell RB 24 5-10 204 2 Louisville 36 Lex Hilliard FB 28 5-11 240 4 Montana -- Royce Adams WR 24 6-0 190 R Purdue 19 Clyde Gates WR 26 5-11 197 2 Abilene Christian 16 Mardy Gilyard WR 26 5-11 194 2 Cincinnati 84 Stephen Hill WR 21 6-4 215 R Georgia Tech 10 Santonio Holmes WR 28 5-11 192 7 Ohio State 11 Jeremy Kerley WR 24 5-9 188 2 Texas Christian 85 Chaz Schilens WR 27 6-4 225 5 San Diego State 17 Jordan White WR 24 6-0 215 R Western Michigan 45 Josh Baker TE 25 6-3 244 2 Northwest Missouri State 86 Jeff Cumberland TE 25 6-4 260 3 Illinois 83 Dedrick Epps TE 24 6-3 250 1 Miami (Fla.) 81 Dustin Keller TE 28 6-2 250 5 Purdue 87 Konrad Reuland TE 25 6-4 260 1 Stanford 82 Hayden Smith TE 27 6-6 255 R Metro State 74 Nick Mangold C 28 6-4 307 7 Ohio State 65 Brandon Moore G 32 6-3 305 10 Illinois 72 Caleb Schlauderaff G 25 6-4 302 2 Utah 68 Matt Slauson G 26 6-5 315 4 Nebraska 62 Vladimir Ducasse OT 25 6-5 325 3 Massachusetts 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT 28 6-6 310 7 Virginia 77 Austin Howard OT 25 6-7 333 3 Northern Iowa 63 Jason Smith OT 26 6-5 308 4 Baylor Defense NO NAME POS AGE HT WT EXP COLLEGE 98 Quinton Coples DE 22 6-6 290 R North Carolina 70 Mike DeVito DE 28 6-3 305 6 Maine 55 Ricky Sapp DE 26 6-4 252 2 Clemson 96 Muhammad Wilkerson DE 23 6-4 315 2 Temple 93 Kenrick Ellis DT 24 6-4 346 2 Hampton 71 Damon Harrison DT 24 6-3 350 R William Penn 91 Sione Pouha DT 33 6-3 325 8 Utah 54 Nick Bellore LB 23 6-1 250 2 Central Michigan 56 DeMario Davis LB 23 6-2 239 R Arkansas State 52 David Harris LB 28 6-2 250 6 Michigan 53 Josh Mauga LB 25 6-1 245 3 Nevada-Reno 50 Garrett McIntyre LB 28 6-3 255 2 Fresno State 97 Calvin Pace LB 32 6-4 265 10
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:53 PM

I don't think even the jags would take him as a starter
he's david carr 2.0



I'd rather have Carr
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

Collins was also boozed up the entire time and was his own worst enemy. Sanchez is just stupid.
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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:22 PM

Sanchez wishes he was Carr. Carr is a #2. If Eli went down, the franchise would be worried. But Carr is at least a QB. If Matt Leinart went down and Sanchez was the backup, people would be off'ing themselves.


I think it's pretty close, carr was a guy with talent who got sacked so many times he lost his nerve. sanchez has talent, but his head is totally messed up
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:44 PM

I don't think even the jags would take him as a starter

he's david carr 2.0


Agreed, except he's taken half the beating Carr took, to become twice the shell-shocked pussy.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:03 PM

This will be Sanchez's career:

09-13: Jets, 68 starts

14-16: 49ers 4 starts

17-21: St. Louis 32 starts
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:50 AM

Good comparison. I could see Sanchez completely sh*tting the bed with 4 interceptions and getting outplayed by Trent ****ing Dilfer in the biggest game of his life too.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:21 AM

Rex ruined Sanchez.

He should have sat Sanchez for at least 1 season behind a veteran QB.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:28 AM

So...Sanchez would be better off playing for another team? Hmmm...what a novel concept. Also would benefit from being on another team: Greg McElroy QB 24 6-2 225 2 Alabama 6 Mark Sanchez QB 26 6-2 225 4 USC 15 Tim Tebow QB 25 6-3 236 3 Florida 21 Kahlil Bell RB 25 5-11 219 4 UCLA 23 Shonn Greene RB 27 5-11 226 4 Iowa 25 Joe McKnight RB 24 5-11 205 3 USC 29 Bilal Powell RB 24 5-10 204 2 Louisville 36 Lex Hilliard FB 28 5-11 240 4 Montana -- Royce Adams WR 24 6-0 190 R Purdue 19 Clyde Gates WR 26 5-11 197 2 Abilene Christian 16 Mardy Gilyard WR 26 5-11 194 2 Cincinnati 84 Stephen Hill WR 21 6-4 215 R Georgia Tech 10 Santonio Holmes WR 28 5-11 192 7 Ohio State 11 Jeremy Kerley WR 24 5-9 188 2 Texas Christian 85 Chaz Schilens WR 27 6-4 225 5 San Diego State 17 Jordan White WR 24 6-0 215 R Western Michigan 45 Josh Baker TE 25 6-3 244 2 Northwest Missouri State 86 Jeff Cumberland TE 25 6-4 260 3 Illinois 83 Dedrick Epps TE 24 6-3 250 1 Miami (Fla.) 81 Dustin Keller TE 28 6-2 250 5 Purdue 87 Konrad Reuland TE 25 6-4 260 1 Stanford 82 Hayden Smith TE 27 6-6 255 R Metro State 74 Nick Mangold C 28 6-4 307 7 Ohio State 65 Brandon Moore G 32 6-3 305 10 Illinois 72 Caleb Schlauderaff G 25 6-4 302 2 Utah 68 Matt Slauson G 26 6-5 315 4 Nebraska 62 Vladimir Ducasse OT 25 6-5 325 3 Massachusetts 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT 28 6-6 310 7 Virginia 77 Austin Howard OT 25 6-7 333 3 Northern Iowa 63 Jason Smith OT 26 6-5 308 4 Baylor Defense NO NAME POS AGE HT WT EXP COLLEGE 98 Quinton Coples DE 22 6-6 290 R North Carolina 70 Mike DeVito DE 28 6-3 305 6 Maine 55 Ricky Sapp DE 26 6-4 252 2 Clemson 96 Muhammad Wilkerson DE 23 6-4 315 2 Temple 93 Kenrick Ellis DT 24 6-4 346 2 Hampton 71 Damon Harrison DT 24 6-3 350 R William Penn 91 Sione Pouha DT 33 6-3 325 8 Utah 54 Nick Bellore LB 23 6-1 250 2 Central Michigan 56 DeMario Davis LB 23 6-2 239 R Arkansas State 52 David Harris LB 28 6-2 250 6 Michigan 53 Josh Mauga LB 25 6-1 245 3 Nevada-Reno 50 Garrett McIntyre LB 28 6-3 255 2 Fresno State 97 Calvin Pace LB 32 6-4 265 10
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:36 AM

Rex ruined Sanchez.

He should have sat Sanchez for at least 1 season behind a veteran QB.


Yeah like that was his call.

Tanny: We we got our man

Rex: Kinda green to start no

(door creeps open)

Woody: Nice job fella's

Tanny: Yes sir

Rex: Kids kinda green

Woody: Well we are the Jets and he's prettier than Eli

Rex: Yeah but just the sam...

Woody: Have you seen his GQ spread? SMOKIN"

Rex: Maybe a year behind a veter...

Woody: Did you see Bretts Favres dick? Not impressive

Rex: Well uh, what?

Woody: New stadium, new PSL's, new sexy QB, maybe new COAH..?

Rex: MIke I think the kid is ready

Tanny: TESTIFY!!
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:43 AM

Agreed, except he's taken half the beating Carr took, to become twice the shell-shocked pussy.


nope

he's not shell shocked exaclty, but his confidence is gone. he doesn't look at the rush like carr. in fact one of his biggest weaknesses is he has no feel for the rush at all
the irony for mark is he is trying to be so careful with the ball, he holds it too long and makes late throws or gets hit and fumbles

for me it's not a lack of confidence in his line, it's a lack of confidence in himself

after getting benched he either will completely crumble and cry on the field, or it was the smack in the face he needed that he is no longer the golden boy and he can lose his job regardless of draft status

what I'm looking for today is quick decisions and letting the ball go even if a guy is more or less covered. he needs to throw guys open or put it where only they can get it or it's incomplete

he can't wait for daylight around his WR's, this is the freakin NFL
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

This will be Sanchez's career:

09-13: Jets, 68 starts

14-16: 49ers 4 starts

17-21: St. Louis 32 starts


Mark Sanchez >>> Matt Leinart

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I think he can rehabilitate, but I doubt he can do that here. He needs to move to a smaller market, be the backup, be humbled, and wait for his chance. Having to work for it for the first time in his life will either be good for him, or he'll be out of football in short order. It's really up to him. The raw material is there.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:14 AM

Collins actually was talented though.

Dilfer always sucked.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:16 AM

Yeah like that was his call.

Tanny: We we got our man

Rex: Kinda green to start no

(door creeps open)

Woody: Nice job fella's

Tanny: Yes sir

Rex: Kids kinda green

Woody: Well we are the Jets and he's prettier than Eli

Rex: Yeah but just the sam...

Woody: Have you seen his GQ spread? SMOKIN"

Rex: Maybe a year behind a veter...

Woody: Did you see Bretts Favres dick? Not impressive

Rex: Well uh, what?

Woody: New stadium, new PSL's, new sexy QB, maybe new COAH..?

Rex: MIke I think the kid is ready

Tanny: TESTIFY!!


Rex didnt have to go all in on Sanchez caling him "special" and the "Sanchize" Telling us Sanchez is just a few steps away from Manning and Brady.

Remember Parcells telling everyone to hold off on the HOF votes after his QB had an exceptional game?
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:20 AM

Mark Sanchez >>> Matt Leinart

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I think he can rehabilitate, but I doubt he can do that here. He needs to move to a smaller market, be the backup, be humbled, and wait for his chance. Having to work for it for the first time in his life will either be good for him, or he'll be out of football in short order. It's really up to him. The raw material is there.



I've always maintained that he could have a Gannon-type career, but only if he could be re-programmed somewhere. He has some raw materials, but Schottenheimer, Cavanaugh, and now Sparano have absolutely ruined any chance he had at being even good. I'm convinced that that triumvirate would have ****ed up Andrew Luck. Let him go get slapped around by Jim Harbaugh for two years, hope that he gets broken like a pony under a real coach, then let him take a shot with a younger franchise looking for a vet. Maybe Sanchez grows some nuts via this embarrassment.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:21 AM

Mark Sanchez >>> Matt Leinart

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I think he can rehabilitate, but I doubt he can do that here. He needs to move to a smaller market, be the backup, be humbled, and wait for his chance. Having to work for it for the first time in his life will either be good for him, or he'll be out of football in short order. It's really up to him. The raw material is there.



Btw, Matt Leinart going to the Raiders was his final nail in the coffin. What a total waste.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:28 AM

Rex didnt have to go all in on Sanchez caling him "special" and the "Sanchize" Telling us Sanchez is just a few steps away from Manning and Brady.

Remember Parcells telling everyone to hold off on the HOF votes after his QB had an exceptional game?


who is this parcells you speak of ?

please enlighten me
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:39 AM

Yeah like that was his call.

Tanny: We we got our man

Rex: Kinda green to start no

(door creeps open)

Woody: Nice job fella's

Tanny: Yes sir

Rex: Kids kinda green

Woody: Well we are the Jets and he's prettier than Eli

Rex: Yeah but just the sam...

Woody: Have you seen his GQ spread? SMOKIN"

Rex: Maybe a year behind a veter...

Woody: Did you see Bretts Favres dick? Not impressive

Rex: Well uh, what?

Woody: New stadium, new PSL's, new sexy QB, maybe new COAH..?

Rex: MIke I think the kid is ready

Tanny: TESTIFY!!


LMAO!!!
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:47 AM

Agreed, except he's taken half the beating Carr took, to become twice the shell-shocked pussy.



I also think Sanchez has something physically wrong with his arm or shoulder. I thought so last year. He still sucks, don't get me wrong. But for a guy who gets rid of the ball too quickly, he rarely overthrows on a pattern downfield. He is always underthrowing. They don't even call a lot of downfield stuff for him, and he is not pressured like Carr was. He also flutters a lot of his passes. His primary problem is panic in the pocket. You would think he would unload the deep ball early. I don't think that he has the arm to overthrow. I expec to hear at some point that he has a problem that rest in the off season did not cure. I hope they do not use it as an excuse. He still has a 10 cent brain. And a 2 cent heart.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:02 AM

Rex didnt have to go all in on Sanchez caling him "special" and the "Sanchize" Telling us Sanchez is just a few steps away from Manning and Brady.

Remember Parcells telling everyone to hold off on the HOF votes after his QB had an exceptional game?


He also promised Super Bowls. Rex is a fat and emotional loud mouth. Rex is Rex. No way a guy who has produced some real nice Defenses did not know the kid was not that good. NO WAY.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:27 PM

ARTICLE: History Suggests Sanchez May Be Better Off Elsewhere

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Edited by NJ, 09 December 2012 - 12:29 PM.

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