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#1 Scott Dierking

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:08 AM

That is the composite score in the games that the Jets have played this year vs. teams that are currently slotted in playoff positions.

In those games, the Jets are 1-6.

For those that think the Jets have this elite defense (Rex), in only one of these games (Colts), did the Jets hold an opponent under 23 points.

As the Jets continue to beat up on the weaklings of the league, do not get false impression that this leadership has them close. They do not, and changes still need to be made in leadership positions
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

If you peek at the right time you can throw out what happened earlier in the season. This is essentially the same team that got blown out by the pats and then went into foxborough in the playoff and shut them down. Look at the Gmen on their SB runs. Mighty Moe(mentum)!!! It is a hell of a thing.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

So, what you're saying is the Jets are bad?

Hmmmmmmm... Novel.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:13 AM

Jets defense is #8 in the league in yards allowed, #3 against the pass without a legitimate pass rusher or Revis.

The offense has been horrible. Three & outs, turnovers, etc., and the special teams haven't helped either. The defense has been put in terrible situations all year. Pair them with a competent offense, and they're top 5, easy.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:16 AM

That is the composite score in the games that the Jets have played this year vs. teams that are currently slotted in playoff positions.

In those games, the Jets are 1-6.

For those that think the Jets have this elite defense (Rex), in only one of these games (Colts), did the Jets hold an opponent under 23 points.

As the Jets continue to beat up on the weaklings of the league, do not get false impression that this leadership has them close. They do not, and changes still need to be made in leadership positions


Beat up? More like punch them in the back of the head then sit there and shiver in fear hoping they don;t get hit back. SOFT
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:17 AM

Jets defense is #8 in the league in yards allowed, #3 against the pass without a legitimate pass rusher or Revis.

The offense has been horrible. Three & outs, turnovers, etc., and the special teams haven't helped either. The defense has been put in terrible situations all year. Pair them with a competent offense, and they're top 5, easy.


I agree. Elite is a strong word IMO. I say the defense is fine. They are good enough as a defense, but not good enough with this offense.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:18 AM

Jets defense is #8 in the league in yards allowed, #3 against the pass without a legitimate pass rusher or Revis.

The offense has been horrible. Three & outs, turnovers, etc., and the special teams haven't helped either. The defense has been put in terrible situations all year. Pair them with a competent offense, and they're top 5, easy.


Truth. Who the hell was that guy who got that sack this week? Never heard of him. LOL
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

So, what you're saying is the Jets are bad?

Hmmmmmmm... Novel.


Sequels sell son.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:28 AM

I agree. Elite is a strong word IMO. I say the defense is fine. They are good enough as a defense, but not good enough with this offense.


Good defenses stop even the best offenses regardless of situation and how long they are on the field.

Just look at the lapses yesterday by the secondary in key spots, against a horrible offense.

This defense has you fooled.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:29 AM

So, what you're saying is the Jets are bad?

Hmmmmmmm... Novel.


I have been saying they are bad. Illustrating it for those that need pictures to the ineptitude.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:35 AM

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

Good defenses stop even the best offenses regardless of situation and how long they are on the field.

Just look at the lapses yesterday by the secondary in key spots, against a horrible offense.

This defense has you fooled.


lol at the people that still yell at the defense

guys the giant elephant in the room is the putrid offense not the D
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

Jets defense is #8 in the league in yards allowed, #3 against the pass without a legitimate pass rusher or Revis.

The offense has been horrible. Three & outs, turnovers, etc., and the special teams haven't helped either. The defense has been put in terrible situations all year. Pair them with a competent offense, and they're top 5, easy.


Word.

And it took them awhile to step up this year. The injuries early on took their toll...Revis, Pouha.

What I like about this defense heading into next year is that they have a legit DLine. Coples is showing signs and Wilkerson is legit. I would like to see more or Davis at Linebacker to see if he can really start next year. The secondary is set, Revis, Cro and Wilson with Bell and Landry (I am not sure of the contract statuses of all of them).

So when you are looking at the defense you are looking at two things to make them better:1

1. Linebacker help, Pace and Thomas need to go.
2. Like Slats said, get an offense that keeps the defense off the field and lets them take some more chances.

Really happy with the defense. And yes the opponents do stink. But if our terrible year is in the 8 and 8 \ 9 and 7 range that is a good thing.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:37 AM

I agree. Elite is a strong word IMO. I say the defense is fine. They are good enough as a defense, but not good enough with this offense.


That is a very good way of putting it.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:37 AM

Jets defense is #8 in the league in yards allowed, #3 against the pass without a legitimate pass rusher or Revis.


They have be padding those stats against the worst offenses in the sport. The D is better than average but the offense is miserable.

Edited by unbanmadmike1, 10 December 2012 - 09:37 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

They have - and have had - trouble finishing out games, but a lot of that has to do with the offense not scoring enough and - in doing so - keep the other team in it. Yeah I'd prefer they shut someone down for a full 60 minutes but that's pretty hard to do for anyone week after week. We don't have elite personnel all over the place, and to expect elite results as though we did is just unrealistic. Our defense is still among the better ones in the league. If you think we're horrible then what does that say about the 25 teams doing even worse?

It's not an elite unit. But if our offense was mediocre and 20% of our TDs didn't come while our offense was on the sideline, the defense with 2012's personnel - particularly when our only all-time great defender isn't on IR - is good enough to win a championship with.

The defense is easily the team's strongest unit. Special teams and the offense have been atrocious. And one can't totally evaluate the defense fairly as though they play in a vacuum. They'd look a lot better if our offense - particularly the passing offense - was scoring another TD or two per game and our special teams wasn't surrendering points and so often and yielding so much field position (in direct contrast to the way they used to be).

Our QB sucks and our (healthy) receivers suck. The unhealthy ones are either mediocre or detracted from team's morale as much as they may have added in production. Our RBs are mediocre but look a lot worse than they are due to defenses daring us to pass with impunity by concentrating on stopping the run.

Doesn't matter. This is just for this year anyway and we have so many FAs for 2013 with so little cap room only a great fool should expect great things next season.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

Good defenses stop even the best offenses regardless of situation and how long they are on the field.

Just look at the lapses yesterday by the secondary in key spots, against a horrible offense.

This defense has you fooled.


No, you're ridiculous, unrealistic expectations and poor vocabulary have you fooled. They are top 10 in yards, top 5 in scoring. Even a complete moron (we have plenty here) would admit that is, at the very least, a "good" defense.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:43 AM

The defense appears to be very fixable. The problem is, there is no real solution for the offense.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:44 AM

Stupid thread pushed by the biggest Rex hater of all.

I tip my hat to Rex and the leadership he's provided. The team is still giving it their all despite having to watch the worst QB in the league do everything he can to keep the opposition in the ball game or flat out give them a win.

Best defender in the land out for the year. 2 best skill offensive players basically out for the entire year and a revolving door at WR because of injuries. Its impressive this team has a chance at .500. Speak volumes to Rex's ability to lead and coach.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:44 AM

Good defenses stop even the best offenses regardless of situation and how long they are on the field.

Just look at the lapses yesterday by the secondary in key spots, against a horrible offense.

This defense has you fooled.


Are you serious with that line?

The best offenses are the best because they beat good defenses regardless of the situation.

Your expectations are way out of whack. The Jets have a playoff caliber defense. It's not perfect, they can be beat, but it's still one of the best in the league - again, without a legitimate pass rusher, or Darrelle Revis.

For all those key laspes, they gave up 10 points.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:44 AM

Oh and one of the main reasons to can Rex - his thought that you can win with defense in today's NFL - is something you constantly bring up. What D can stop teams ALL the time in 2012? The league and officials basically do not allow it.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:47 AM

without a legitimate pass rusher


Oh, ok this defense is great then.

My concern is with the people picking the players and coaching them, in order to fix the mess that this team is.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:48 AM

Oh and one of the main reasons to can Rex - his thought that you can win with defense in today's NFL - is something you constantly bring up. What D can stop teams ALL the time in 2012? The league and officials basically do not allow it.


Rex's entire philosophy on how to win football games in the NFL is outdated and wrong.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:49 AM

Rex's entire philosophy on how to win football games in the NFL is outdated and wrong.


if we threw 50 times with sanchez ud be complaining we dont put him in position to win

the jets are 100X better with their running game
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:49 AM

Rex's entire philosophy on how to win football games in the NFL is outdated and wrong.


Not as outdated and wrong as your methodology for analyzing defenses. Oh and nobody said great. You keep saying they aren't good, which is just silly.
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