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[RutgersJetFan]

ok so going by pure wins and losses, these guys are both above average. this board acts like the team is 2-11. they are 6-7 and probably gonna finish .500. not fire-able, especially in a year when the best player went down in week 3.

7. Years.

[bitonti]

This was your Herm argument.

It's taught us that you still have the single most completely flawed logic of anyone on this board. You were unquestionably wrong then and you're still wrong now. Individual opinions don't even factor into it, because your logic fails from its very basic concept.

Even forgetting the specifics of the people we are discussing, your entire argument is that someone who has proven they do a poor job (regardless if it is Tanny, Schitty or any other person in any other job in the world) should be retained indefinitely because there might be a chance that another option could possibly be as bad or worse at the job, while ignoring the fact that there is also a chance that a better option could be found. That is the definition of a loser's mentality and there is absolutely no defense for it. As long as you continue to push that type of argument, you're only going to help invalidate your own stance, as I can assure you that even people who aren't unhappy with the job done by Tanny and think he should be retained would never possibly agree with this ridiculous position of yours.

first off I still am not convinved Tanny does a poor job. He traded up and drafted Revis. That's a once in a generation draft pick. Mo, Coples, Landry etc. it's not all as bad as you guys are making out.

Secondly it's not too much to ask for a list of names you think would 1) be an upgrade 2) actually take the job if offered. This idea that anyone would be better "addition by subtraction" was what drove the Schotty firing. And I don't think Sparano is any better. Do you>?

Edited by bitonti, 13 December 2012 - 09:28 AM.

[#27TheDominator]

first off I still am not convinved Tanny does a poor job. He traded up and drafted Revis. That's a once in a generation draft pick. Mo, Coples, Landry etc. it's not all as bad as you guys are making out.

Secondly it's not too much to ask for a list of names you think would 1) be an upgrade 2) actually take the job if offered. This idea that anyone would be better "addition by subtraction" was what drove the Schotty firing. And I don't think Sparano is any better. Do you>?

In all honesty, that right there, plus the Sanchez extension are the main reasons for firing him IMO.

[RutgersJetFan]

first off I still am not convinved Tanny does a poor job. He traded up and drafted Revis. That's a once in a generation draft pick. Mo, Coples, Landry etc. it's not all as bad as you guys are making out.

Secondly it's not too much to ask for a list of names you think would 1) be an upgrade 2) actually take the job if offered. This idea that anyone would be better "addition by subtraction" was what drove the Schotty firing. And I don't think Sparano is any better. Do you>?

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 13 December 2012 - 09:41 AM.

[Bleedin Green]

I can dispute almost every one of those points, position by position. Interested? Did he make good moves? Good draft picks? Have things covered? Certainly not in every case, but there were qualified risks that in most case were reasonable. Rather than type all that out, I will ask you a simple question: Do you think I am crazy because I want to give Tannenbaum another season?

I have absolutely no doubt that you could, just as there are others here who would have made an even more critical argument against Tanny than I did. I certainly don't expect you to agree with all of my opinions, but the point is simple, it's reason such as the ones I listed that support my feelings why Tannenbaum should no longer be this team's GM from the day this season ends.

Truth be told, for a long time I was nowhere near considered to be a particular hater of Tanny's. I was becoming less and less happy with him as time went on, but gave him the benefit of the doubt in a lot of cases and tried not to be excessively critical, but at this point, enough is enough. There have been numerous hits and misses, the problem being the latter have been far more recurring and significant than the former (the misses often including huge contracts and numerous draft picks). However, beyond even all of that, the point is that the QB position alone is enough reason for him to be sent packing.

Fixing that position needs to be this team's top priority, and there's years of evidence that shows Tannenbaum needs to have absolutely no say whatsoever in that matter. It's been one complete disaster after another from the moment he took over as this team's GM, and you'd be hard-pressed to find many teams in this entire league who have done as piss poor of a job as he has done with the position over that time. Really think about it for a second and then consider that any of the teams you could try to make an argument for are all the complete jokes of this league. And then ask yourself, how many of the GMs that put together those messes are still employed (and furthermore, aren't on the cusp of losing their jobs now)?

I know next year will be difficult, but I want to see how it is handled. The one thing that we CAN'T let happen is giving him 2013 and letting him monkey with deals and eat up all the cap space going forward. Otherwise, I am interested to see the product on the field for 2014. I can agree that the GM doesn't necessarily require letting the season play out, but there is certainly an argument to let it play out for the coach.

Don't disagree about the coach and I'm not necessarily completely done with Rex (but again, if a new GM is brought in, you need to give him freedom to make a decision there). The problem is that another year of Tanny will ensure that future cap hits will be impacted one way or another. The Jets are at a crossroads and some serious changes need to be made. So do you let your GM mortgage the future for the present to try to save the 2013 season (something Tanny would likely be most inclined to do for a variety of reasons), or do you concede that there's lots of work to be done and go out of your way to avoid things like that in order to have an eye towards the future? In the latter case, which I think makes far more sense, how do you hand that responsibility over to a GM that you'd even have to concede at the very least would be on the hot seat going into next year? In essence, by letting Tanny stay here when the Jets move into a rebuilding season, you're either committing to him for multiple years, which is a ridiculous concept, or you're letting a guy build the team that he wants, with the high probability of turning around a year later and handing the keys to a new guy who's going to want to change up the roster all over again. The problem isn't just that Tanny deserves to be fired (although I certainly believe he does), it's that the timing of this, given everything that needs to be done, is when it makes most sense to make this kind of change.

[RutgersJetFan]

Everyone cool with shifting the Sanchez anthem of 2012 over to Tannenbaum for 2013? Seems futile to find something completely new when it works so well.

[#27TheDominator]

Ridiculous concept? That's what I'm talking about. Nobody likes the current direction, but the guy should have some good will here. His tenure has not been a complete failure. You want to make the change and I see the reasons beyond the normal moronic hate that spews from this place anytime there is a loss, win against a bad team or even opening day after that drubbing. OTOH, I think it's completely insane not to see rational people could want to keep him.

[Bleedin Green]

first off I still am not convinved Tanny does a poor job. He traded up and drafted Revis. That's a once in a generation draft pick. Mo, Coples, Landry etc. it's not all as bad as you guys are making out.

That's a completely different point. If you think Tanny has done a good job, so be it (although I think "not convinced Tanny does a poor job" is hardly a glowing endorsement). However, your position is that even those people who think Tanny sucks at his job shouldn't feel he should be fired since another person could possibly do as bad of a job. That kind of logic is completely asinine.

Secondly it's not too much to ask for a list of names you think would 1) be an upgrade 2) actually take the job if offered. This idea that anyone would be better "addition by subtraction" was what drove the Schotty firing. And I don't think Sparano is any better. Do you>?

No, the point is that a quick look around the league tells you there are plenty of people serving in the same role as Tanny who are FAAAAAR better at the job than he is and that if the Jets want to be able to regularly compete on the level of those teams, they need someone who can perform the job more reliably. There's no guarantee that a replacement will definitely be better, but using that as a reason to not even try is really the most sad example of a loser's mentality that a person could have. I am not even exaggerating when I say really cannot even fathom how somehow can have a mindset like that. I'm trying, but I can't find how anyone can think there is the slightest shred of merit to it.

While I'm far from thrilled with Sparano, I still absolutely feel he is better than Schitty. There is not a single OC in this league who I have ever seen make some of the mind-numbingly stupid calls that moron did. What a coincidence that all it took was that schmuck leaving to no longer see 3 different WRs running to the same damn spot on the football field at least a few times per game or have third down plays where literally every single player on the field run routes short of the first down marker.

[Bleedin Green]

I must admit, you really do have a much better approach to this whole thing.

[RutgersJetFan]

I think it's completely insane not to see rational people could want to keep him.

Considering that group consists of you, bitonti, kelly, and JiF, I'm not so sure this is the best angle to be taking here.

[Bleedin Green]

Ridiculous concept? That's what I'm talking about. Nobody likes the current direction, but the guy should have some good will here. His tenure has not been a complete failure. You want to make the change and I see the reasons beyond the normal moronic hate that spews from this place anytime there is a loss, win against a bad team or even opening day after that drubbing. OTOH, I think it's completely insane not to see rational people could want to keep him.

I can see your point, I just disagree with it is all. I think it's the combination of factors that really need to make this move happen sooner rather than later. If it wasn't for the cap situation and the immediate need to have to make serious roster moves simply because the team will be forced to, then maybe I would actually agree with you. But that's the current situation and if it's time for a serious roster makeover, and with absolutely no reason to commit to Tanny for any sort of long term period of time, I think the fact that he is responsible for putting us in this situation, and the laughably bad QB situation on top of that, is reason enough to say it's time to move on.

I will certainly concede that you have a rational reason for your opinions, even if I don't agree with them. Bit? Not so much.

[Bleedin Green]

Considering that group consists of you, bitonti, kelly, and JiF, I'm not so sure this is the best angle to be taking here.

One of these things is not like the other.

[#27TheDominator]

Considering that group consists of you, bitonti, kelly, and JiF, I'm not so sure this is the best angle to be taking here.

RATIONAL IRRATIONALITY!!!!!



* not enough "r"s!

Edited by #27TheDominator, 13 December 2012 - 10:21 AM.

[RutgersJetFan]

I must admit, you really do have a much better approach to this whole thing.

[#27TheDominator]

One of these things is not like the other.

Bitonti isn't a man pretending to be a woman?

[JiF]

Considering that group consists of you, bitonti, kelly, and JiF, I'm not so sure this is the best angle to be taking here.

Jealous of our sexy?

Bitonti isn't a man pretending to be a woman?

I had a serious lol from this.

[T0mShane]

I know next year will be difficult, but I want to see how it is handled.

Morbid curiosity is not a plan.

[bitonti]

No, the point is that a quick look around the league tells you there are plenty of people serving in the same role as Tanny who are FAAAAAR better at the job than he is

that's not really relevant, as the Jets can't just snipe another team's GM. they are going to have to give the job to someone who has probably never held that role. I just think it's interesting how you guys have a masters degree in everything Tanny ever did but have a 3rd grade understanding of who would replacement. It's a myopic viewpoint and lacks perspective.

for example, anyone who takes this Jets job has to be aware of the HOF franchise QB jerkwad in the division. Jets fans seem to think firing Rex and Tanny will beat Tom Brady. It's wishful thinking. I see you guys nitpick every move the team makes but have no sympathy for the difficulty of being in the division with a first ballot HOF multiple NFL MVP in Brady. At some point you have to take a step back and say it's a tough hand to play, whether it's Tanny or Ron Wolf. whether it's Rex or Vince Lombardi. the coaches coach and the players play and the Jets don't have a player like Brady.

Edited by bitonti, 13 December 2012 - 10:53 AM.

[RutgersJetFan]

Morbid curiosity is not a plan.

More to do.

[RutgersJetFan]

It's a myopic viewpoint and lacks perspective.