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[Il Mostro]

10 years from now, the NFL will be playing Flag Football.

They are now talking about eliminating all blocking below the waist, so flags may very well be on the way. Thank God for boxing, bull fighting and rugby.

[neckdemon]

i think they should move kickoffs back and stop all these freaking touchbacks

[kay_gee]

I support/oppose this depending on how bad the Jets special teams are.

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no, I oppose it. why? just whyyy would you do that?

[Panzer Division Marduk]

Want to eliminate high speed collisions ? Take the carbon fiber helmets away.. and use something that reminds the players not to lead with their head.. maybe put a nose ring in the helmet so if they lead with it, it tazes them ?

Make them wear tinfoil hats?
Goodell probably thinks Sarcastaball is a good idea.

[Larz]

just put flags on them

the nfl is in a tough spot. they are popular because of the violence, but they are getting sued by players because of the violence

whatever

go knicks !

[afosomf]

Maybe NFL should eliminate ButtFumbles mon

Edited by afosomf, 11 December 2012 - 07:02 PM.

[T0mShane]

Simple solution: use prisoners to return kicks. Done.

[T0mShane]

just put flags on them

the nfl is in a tough spot. they are popular because of the violence, but they are getting sued by players because of the violence

whatever

go knicks !

It's all whitewashing. In a few years, they'll come out with a helmet designed in conjunction with engineers from Mercedes Benz, and they'll say they solved the concussion problem. Nobody gives a sh*t about the health of the players, including the players. Mike Webster didn't cost the NFL a red cent in lost ticket sales.

[flgreen]

Simple solution: use prisoners to return kicks. Done.

Actually I like this idea

It shouldn't be hard to get ex NFL players

Edited by flgreen, 11 December 2012 - 09:12 PM.

[CTM]

10 years from now, the NFL will be playing Flag Football.

and you will still be gay

[RutgersJetFan]

It's all whitewashing. In a few years, they'll come out with a helmet designed in conjunction with engineers from Mercedes Benz, and they'll say they solved the concussion problem. Nobody gives a sh*t about the health of the players, including the players. Mike Webster didn't cost the NFL a red cent in lost ticket sales.

I agree to an extent, but over the long term, (we're talking a few decades here), there's bound to be some real problems because parents are eventually going to start steering their kids away from the sport. If you had a son, would you really push him towards playing football? Not like if he actually wanted to play, that's different; I'm talking about a parent just signing their kid up because, well, they're a kid and you want them out of the ****ing house, and most of the best athletes in the world have been going at their respective sport since at least their early teens, or even earlier. I can't even begin to imagine the number of kids that wind up having a long career through HS and college because their parents pushed it on them from day one. That's definitely going to shift as time goes on and the NFL has to make sure that doesn't happen. Yes, the league is a money making machine, but that's only right now and it hasn't always been that way. If it doesn't ensure that over the long term it's going to have the best athletes in the world composing its rosters, it's only creating a means for its end.

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 11 December 2012 - 11:56 PM.

[jetsjetsjetss]

I agree to an extent, but over the long term, (we're talking a few decades here), there's bound to be some real problems because parents are eventually going to start steering their kids away from the sport. If you had a son, would you really push him towards playing football? Not like if he actually wanted to play, that's different; I'm talking about a parent just signing their kid up because, well, they're a kid and you want them out of the ****ing house, and most of the best athletes in the world have been going at their respective sport since at least their early teens, or even earlier. I can't even begin to imagine the number of kids that wind up having a long career through HS and college because their parents pushed it on them from day one. That's definitely going to shift as time goes on and the NFL has to make sure that doesn't happen. Yes, the league is a money making machine, but that's only right now and it hasn't always been that way. If it doesn't ensure that over the long term it's going to have the best athletes in the world composing its rosters, it's only creating a means for its end.

this is the start not just of losing players its the start of a new primetime american sport. Take away what makes the NFL the NFL and people are going to start to not watch. NFL is now biggest league in the USA but we may start to see an evolution to another sport maybe soccer or something

[RutgersJetFan]

this is the start not just of losing players its the start of a new primetime american sport. Take away what makes the NFL the NFL and people are going to start to not watch. NFL is now biggest league in the USA but we may start to see an evolution to another sport maybe soccer or something

Meh, professionals may be smart enough to know the risks going in, but high school and college kids are insanely dumb. If the league wants to take the lead on tweaking some aspects of the game to help combat teenagers falling victim to paralysis, so be it. I'm not a fan of Goodell or Schiano, but their intentions are in the right place with this one. I was merely pointing out the self-interest in regards to the prior statement.

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 12 December 2012 - 12:07 AM.

[jetsjetsjetss]

Meh, professionals may be smart enough to know the risks going in, but high school and college kids are insanely dumb. If the league wants to take the lead on tweaking some aspects of the game to help combat teenagers falling victim to paralysis, so be it. I'm not a fan of Goodell or Schiano, but their intentions are in the right place with this one.

I feel you the results are something we can root for but i think the means of getting there are dumb. I know for a fact with a little more effort the gear they wear could be designed to be much safer. Heck when they did that study couple of years ago NFL standard helmets were ranked almost last in protection compared to high school helmets.

getting rid of kickoffs is bleh. Lets try finding a way to protect while doing what they have been.

Edited by jetsjetsjetss, 12 December 2012 - 12:09 AM.

[RutgersJetFan]

I feel you the results are something we can root for but i think the means of getting there are dumb. I know for a fact with a little more effort the gear they wear could be designed to be much safer. Heck when they did that study couple of years ago NFL standard helmets were ranked almost last in protection compared to high school helmets.

getting rid of kickoffs is bleh. Lets try finding a way to protect while doing what they have been.

I already said I thought the idea was stupid. But it's pretty clear that something has to be changed. The reality of things is that head and spinal injuries only get the attention they need at the pro level, but are needed most at the high school and collegiate levels because that's the group that's the most susceptible to brain and spinal damage in football for obvious reasons. I love how the game is played, but it's pretty obvious that we can't keep everything the same when you've got kids between 14-22 suffering from multiple concussions, getting paralyzed, and dying. And the NFL is the only entity with the money, resources, and most importantly the influence to effectuate any real sort of change because so many of the lower institutions function as factories for colleges, and then colleges for the pros.

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 12 December 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[GATA]

Every year there's something new. Can''t we just stick to the basics and not try to f*ck around with an ageless sport

[jetsjetsjetss]

I already said I thought the idea was stupid. But it's pretty clear that something has to be changed. The reality of things is that head and spinal injuries only get the attention they need at the pro level, but are needed most at the high school and collegiate levels because that's the group that's the most susceptible to brain and spinal damage in football for obvious reasons. I love how the game is played, but it's pretty obvious that we can't keep everything the same when you've got kids between 14-22 suffering from multiple concussions, getting paralyzed, and dying. And the NFL is the only entity with the money, resources, and most importantly the influence to effectuate any real sort of change because so many of the lower institutions function as factories for colleges, and then colleges for the pros.

what are you suggesting then?

no one is going to argue that people getting hurt is a bad thing. Problem is its easy to say something but harder to find a solution. This is their solution and im not into it. Id rather see money being spent on specific equipment like a neck brace /newer helmet then changing an aspect of the game. If a scientist says its not possible so be it change away but for right now where there is evidence about better equipment im all for putting all the eggs in that basket

[Lil Bit Special]

I would never let my (imaginary) kids play football.

I'm going to teach them the joys of hackey sack and ultimate frisbee.

[RutgersJetFan]

what are you suggesting then?

no one is going to argue that people getting hurt is a bad thing. Problem is its easy to say something but harder to find a solution. This is their solution and im not into it. Id rather see money being spent on specific equipment like a neck brace /newer helmet then changing an aspect of the game. If a scientist says its not possible so be it change away but for right now where there is evidence about better equipment im all for putting all the eggs in that basket

It's not a solution, it's an idea. The only way you solve for things like this is through dialogue and experimentation. It's not an easy fix because the rules and aspects of the game are so engrained in every level and facet, from the employees down to the equipment. Though I think this specific idea is particularly bad and wouldn't do much, at the very least it triggers dialogue, which is what always comes first in anything. If you're looking for suggestions and solutions, I'm afraid you're asking the wrong questions, because the first step is identifying exactly what has to be changed, which is what they're currently doing.

Edited by RutgersJetFan, 12 December 2012 - 12:41 AM.

[jetsjetsjetss]

It's not a solution, it's an idea. The only way you solve for things like this is through dialogue and experimentation. It's not an easy fix because the rules and aspects of the game are so engrained in every level and facet, from the employees down to the equipment. Though I think this specific idea is particularly bad and wouldn't do much, at the very least it triggers dialogue, which is what always comes first in anything. If you're looking for suggestions and solutions, I'm afraid you're asking the wrong questions, because the first step is identifying exactly what has to be changed, which is what they're currently doing.

thats what im asking. We know what is the problem - people getting hurt. Now the question is - how do we fix this. There solution is- get rid of kickoffs

dialogue is as such. just dialogue. This rule change just seems like an empty action to me