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[JiF]

The 49'ers arent winning the SB, period. Doesnt matter who is their QB.

[Matt39]

Niners are the best team in football right now. They certainly can win the Super Bowl.

[JiF]

Niners are the best team in football right now. They certainly can win the Super Bowl.

Falcons.

[redman81]

While all of this is possibly true, I haven't checked the stats, the THREAT of him running on that read option is there every single play, it freezes the DE's/OLB's depending on D alignment on every single play, because if they don't protect that edge, that 1, or however times he actually does take of with it will be a big gainer, and possibly a TD, this gives him extra time in the pocket, and opens up the down field WR's, because the whole D has to freeze on the plays he fakes the read option, and stands in the pocket to deliver a pass, trust me if NFL D's stop respecting that, RGIII's rushing attempts will increase until they respect it again after he burns them.

Previous running QB's were asked/demanded to learn the traditional NFL Pro offense, and now for the 1st time the NFL is learning, and designing their offenses around the strenth of these so called running QB's.

But also like I said before this is a very new concept in the NFL, last year was really the first year it was introduced as a big part of a teams offense, and we don't know what the physical toll will do to these guys, short, or long term. And this is where NFL execs, and coaches have to make the tough decision when they evaluate if this is the type of QB, and offense they want to run.

A guy like RGIII can probably have a succesful career in the traditional offense, but some who might be very succesful in this new offense tailored to their skill set might not, if the only threat of him running is on a scrambble out of the pocket, reason being is that will change the Defensive looks he gets, and he might have trouble when he has to make multiple reads instead of easy reads set up by the read option offense. I think you saw that earlier this year with Cam Newton, they ran less of the plays from last year, and tried to get Cam to be more of a pocket passer, he struggled, and now it seems they got back to last years offense, and he has been the hottest QB going outside of P Manning in the past few weeks.

The difference between RGIII and Cam and even Vick is that Griffin is smart enough to read defenses and make the right throw WITH accuracy which those other two lack.

[GATA]

I disagree, like Kaepernick he has a good arm and I will root for him. Offensively the 49ers look better and it so happened its with this kid not with Smith

[Blackout]

We got to the AFCCG twice in back to back years with a D minus QB.

I wish we had a C+ QB.... Imagine?

no guarantee the Jets would've beat the Packers or Saints those years

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??? The kid surgically removed Chicago's nuts

Chicago hasn't done anything since playing him....ovah rated

[Blackout]

I disagree, like Kaepernick he has a good arm and I will root for him. Offensively the 49ers look better and it so happened its with this kid not with Smith

i'd LOVE to see a hardcore team like the 49ers win the SB instead of these stupid track-team offenses like the Pats or Packers

but Alex Smith is the better QB for them as his pace fits them better and he is consistant now

[Integrity28]

We got to the AFCCG twice in back to back years with a D minus QB.

I wish we had a C+ QB.... Imagine?

I dont' think it mattered what QB we had... the Colts #3 and #4 WR abused our vaunted defense in the 2nd half of the first one, and Rashard Mendenhall ran all over that vaunted defense in the second one.

[jgb]

kaepernick is a gamer. love watching him play. would kill to have him as our qb

[gangreenman]

I agree, and also think guys like Newton, Wilson, Kapernick, and RGIII are going to be the new wave of sought after QB's, there are only a handful of truely elite traditional QB's, but guys like these 4 can offset that with the D not being able to read, and react as quick because of the multiple ways they can beat you, and they also don't have to worry about reading the entire defense correctly, because their unique skill takes the D out of their positioning, and this could greatly increase the number of QB's considered elite in the NFL.

The hard part thou for the NFL is determining which QB's have the rare multi skill set of a Newton, Wilson, RGIII, and Cappy, and the one's who are lacking certain traits to run these type of offenses effectively like T Tebow, J Webb, and the jury is probably still out on T Pryor, but I gotta assume he is not properly equipped at least as of yet. Bill Belicheck proved this point IMO last year in the playoff game against Tebow, he was not scared of him being able to fire a ball into a WR, so he just lined up his players in a specific zone that always kept Tebow in front of his defensive players, and also knowing any throw he made would take to long, and his players would have a really good chance at breaking it up, or intercepting it, where as last night Kappy's arm strength did/can negate that type of defensive scheme, just like the other 3 guys I named here can.

You also need to find an offensive HC/O-Coordinator who knows how to design these type of offenses around these types of QB's, and know how to call the game properly using these type of QB's, this is just as important as finding the player who has all the skill sets for these type of systems.

Also 1 more thing, this is fairly new to the NFL, and the jury is still out on whether the physical toll that this type of QB will endure will be able to sustain multiple NFL seasons, and this would have to be factored into the decision by front offices if they decide to go this route, is it worth giving the franchise the reigns, and big $$$$$$ to this type of QB if he can't stay on the field for a full season, or his effectiveness is only going to be short lived because the physical abuse is to much for someone at that position to sustain a long succesful NFL career.

This. And its another example of the weird trend in football - you see it in college first - then it becomes part of the NFL. The spread offense... The athletic QB's... The Wildcat and "Pistol" formations... All have been prevalent in the NCAA for years.

[Lupz27]

The difference between RGIII and Cam and even Vick is that Griffin is smart enough to read defenses and make the right throw WITH accuracy which those other two lack.

Funny I'm pretty sure Cam Newton has been the best QB in the league the last 4 weeks on the field, off the field he is a mental mess, I will agree with that.

[Lupz27]

This. And its another example of the weird trend in football - you see it in college first - then it becomes part of the NFL. The spread offense... The athletic QB's... The Wildcat and "Pistol" formations... All have been prevalent in the NCAA for years.

Exactly, only difference is now the NFL is open to keeping the freakishly talented athletic kids to play QB, and please don't take it as racist from me, but they are also finally open to minorities at QB, and not trying to change them into something they are not, but instead build the offense around their god given talents. It only took 80 years such a shame.

[redman81]

Funny I'm pretty sure Cam Newton has been the best QB in the league the last 4 weeks on the field, off the field he is a mental mess, I will agree with that.

I don't agree

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Falcons.

tell that to Cam Newton

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ba bump bump

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kaepernick is a gamer. love watching him play. would kill to have him as our qb

except on a night like tonight


guy is playing HORRIBLE at QB

[CrazyCarl40]

ba bump bump

Why? Because Kap is having a not great game against one of the best defenses in the league, on the road in one of the hardest stadiums to win in?

SF is also missing one of their best defensive players.

Kap>Smith still.

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alex smith is a legit QB, Colin Humperdink is a sideshow

[jgb]

except on a night like tonight


guy is playing HORRIBLE at QB

lol nice troll. i suppose you prefer mcelroy.