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[pointman]

Manslaughter does not necessarily mean intent.

This thread was not meant to be about this, but as long as some people insist:
I don't see how anyone can sanely claim that Brent intended to kill Jerry Brown. Is there any evidence at all that Brent was trying to flip his car and kill the guy? If the answer is no, then clearly the death was unintended. Therefore, Brent did not intentionally kill Brown.

Contrary to what some people in this thread would have you believe, driving someone home whom you have spent the night drinking with is not the equivalent of playing Russian Roulette with only one chamber unloaded Fact is, the vast majority of people who drive home over the Blood Alcohol Limit make it home quite safely, without being caught, for years. . However, when you drive home over the Blood Alcohol limit, your risk of having an accident is slightly greater. In a country of 300 million people, that increase in risk results in thousands of extra deaths, hence the DUI laws.

lol. Where did I say there was "intent"? I said he "killed that kid". He drove drunk, and got caught.. again. This time, cause his passenger DIED.

[kelticwizard]

How about where you said,

He murdered that young man.

Murder means intent.

This thread has gotten bogged down on this question of whether the car crash was an accident, when it clearly was.

[kelticwizard]

Is there any reason to consider what Roethlisberger did THAT much better than what Brent did? If so, how?

If not, why are the announcers treating the two so differently?

[BroadwayJoe12]

I'm not going to get too involved in the physiology behind everything, nor debate it, I only bring it up to offer a different perspective on things; I did research funded by NASA and the Air Force for a handful of years that studied the cognitive effects of sleep deprivation and long story short, there are numerous periods when being legally drunk is identical to the initial minutes of being woken up out of a deep sleep coinciding with a sleep debt.

If one were to change the headline from Drunk Driver accidentally kills best friend to Over-tired driver accidentally killed best friend, I think people would be looking at it a lot differently. The man knowingly made a mistake that resulted in his good friend's death, I see no reason why his football family shouldn't support him. I'm not saying he shouldn't be tried for what he did, of course he should. I just feel sorry for the kid and feel the judgmental outcries of football analysts is a bit much, considering he has to live with the fact that he killed one of his good friends for the rest of his life. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

[Sharrow]

The difference is that this guy is a nobody, where Ben is a star quarterback. If it had been the other way around and this guy raped a girl or two, and Ben killed a friend of his drunk driving; things would be the complete opposite imo.

[kay_gee]

As someone who knows rape victims, I hate Ben a lot more personally.

As for Brent...I dunno. It's sadder than anything else, and he certainly didn't do it on purpose. He should serve his sentence, obviously, but it's probably going to be hard for him to live with himself.

Hitting a squirrel or a raccoon is enough to ruin my week. If I killed a person (drunk or not), I'd probably never drive again.

ETA: I've never actually driven drunk. I think I'm a lot younger than some of you, and from the time we were 8 through the time we were 18, we were educated about drinking and driving. It sunk in. We had no drunk driving deaths while we were growing up.

Edited by kay_gee, 20 December 2012 - 02:39 PM.

[Irish Jet]

^ dick. I hope he slips on a banana peel and knocks that poop eating grinning off his fat face.

Yes he should never smile again. He should live a life of misery and kill himself while he's at it. **** sake.

****ing ridiculous. Guy made a horrible mistake which resulted in tragedy, he should and will be punished for it. But he didn't intend to murder anyone, he's not an innately bad person because of what happened. I've been directly affected by the same thing and I know the difference between a murderer and a man who acted irresponsibly. He needs to be held accountable for what he done, yes, but it doesn't mean you destroy lives out of what was a horrible accident. And it was an accident, just because it's very avoidable doesn't make it otherwise.

[pointman]

Yes he should never smile again. He should live a life of misery and kill himself while he's at it. **** sake.

****ing ridiculous. Guy made a horrible mistake which resulted in tragedy, he should and will be punished for it. But he didn't intend to murder anyone, he's not an innately bad person because of what happened. I've been directly affected by the same thing and I know the difference between a murderer and a man who acted irresponsibly. He needs to be held accountable for what he done, yes, but it doesn't mean you destroy lives out of what was a horrible accident. And it was an accident, just because it's very avoidable doesn't make it otherwise.

The guy has driven drunk more than once. I am sure, even being a colossal moron, he learned after the first time he got caught that driving drunk wasn't a smart move. You've been through the same thing? I hope not as the driver who got a passenger killed.

Point is, dick made a dumb decision AGAIN. And so soon after, he is on the sidelines smiling away. F that guy.