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[SouthernJet]

In all fairness, that rookie is pretty awesome.

That is very very true. Dont knock Flynn over a potential AllPro down the road

[JetsFanInDenver]

It all starts with a search for a GM!

[faba]

ther comes a point in a career where the player just has to go- the Mets finally did it with Jason Bay. Not saying that is going to happen but have to be creative to explore all options. Mark can not be on this team with so much vitrol from the fans. Rework a contract to lessen the immediate impact to entice some other team to take him even though Jets take a cap hit

[Lupz27]

ther comes a point in a career where the player just has to go- the Mets finally did it with Jason Bay. Not saying that is going to happen but have to be creative to explore all options. Mark can not be on this team with so much vitrol from the fans. Rework a contract to lessen the immediate impact to entice some other team to take him even though Jets take a cap hit

Only way to do that is to give him another extension, and spread out the 2013 cap hit to future years, but make the bonus that gets spread out over how ever many years the extension is paid on a date AFTER the Jets trade him to this crazy ass backwards organization that would even consider taking Sanchez, and extending him, I only know of 1 team that does stupid sh*t like this, but unfortunatly he is already with that organization. The Jets would still be hit with a dead cap hit also in this situation, but I think it could be lowered from 12ish mill to 5ish mill in this situation, not really sure you would have to ask Jason.

[Lupz27]

He doesn't count 8 million against the cap next year

Your correct its worse its, $12,853,125, and $17,153,125 in dead cap space if cut, and in that scenario the Jets would have $4,300,000 less cap space available to them then already projected, a projection that is in the range of your ****ed, and Oh sh*t!

And the funny thing is I vote to take that route, let the new GM cut everyone who will not be part of the plans in the future, Sanchez, Holmes, Scott, Pace, Pouha, J Smith, Tebow, E Smith, and depending on the if there is a new HC, and which defensive front he plans on running, if its a 4-3, you also cut D Harris.

Take all the cap hits in 2013, let the guys who actually are good football players, and are still under contract that this was a necessary evil that the old front office left us no choice with, but we promise we will be building for the 2014 season, and see no reason to believe why we can't contend that year with you guys in place, and the talent we accumulate in the next 2 drafts, and the players we can sign to plug in to any wholes we see fit with our cap space in the 2014 season.

I would rather live through 1 year like 1996, then let Tanny puch off future cap hits, and live through years of futility that culminates with a year like 1996 like the Jets franchise did from 1989-1996.

Last year must have been tough for the Colts fans, but I would bet they are very happy that it happened that way, and not the way this will play out if Tanny is still here with 3-6 years of average football never being good enough to seriously contend for a SB, and culminating with the 1-15 season. Which by then all the talented players we actually still have that are worth keeping, and could be part of a SB contending team like Revis, Cro, the yound D-lineman, Brick, Mangold, and hopefully Kerley, and S HIll turn out to be something, will either be old, and terrible, or way gone fom the sh*tty organization.

[bitonti]

And the funny thing is I vote to take that route,

Last year must have been tough for the Colts fans, but I would bet they are very happy that it happened that way,

to be the Colts not only do you have to go winless but you need a once in a generation QB prospect to be available in that draft. Fire Sparano, yup. Fire Tanny, ok. Fire Rex that's a step back cause the defense gets (much) worse. Cutting everyone who can play, the team stinks and there's no obvious route to go from 0-16 to Super Bowl. It takes a tremendous amount of good fortune.

Edited by bitonti, 19 December 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[Lupz27]

to be the Colts not only do you have to go winless but you need a once in a generation QB prospect to be available in that draft. Fire Sparano, yup. Fire Tanny, ok. Fire Rex that's a step back cause the defense gets (much) worse. Cutting everyone who can play, the team stinks and there's no obvious route to go from 0-16 to Super Bowl. It takes a tremendous amount of good fortune.

I know you are very up to date with draft prospects, and spend a lot of time researching that kind of stuff, just say the Jets do go that route, and do go say 1-15ish and get the 1st pick in the draft for 2014, my question to you is do you think Johnny Manziel will be looked at like a Luck, or RGIII, can't miss QB, I mean if you build the offense around him like wash, Seattle, and SF have with those type of QB's it should work IF he is looked at in that light, it sounds like it to me. Also what about Teddy Bridgewater? And if neither of these 2 are the franchise type of QB's, or they draft one this year that actually turns out pretty ****ing good (I doubt it) there is a can't miss consolation prize in J Clowney no?

[bitonti]

I know you are very up to date with draft prospects, and spend a lot of time researching that kind of stuff, just say the Jets do go that route, and do go say 1-15ish and get the 1st pick in the draft for 2014, my question to you is do you think Johnny Manziel will be looked at like a Luck, or RGIII, can't miss QB, I mean if you build the offense around him like wash, Seattle, and SF have with those type of QB's it should work IF he is looked at in that light, it sounds like it to me. Also what about Teddy Bridgewater? And if neither of these 2 are the franchise type of QB's, or they draft one this year that actually turns out pretty ****ing good (I doubt it) there is a can't miss consolation prize in J Clowney no?

IF the goal is to get the number one pick in the 2014 draft, than the plan should be to start Mark right? Why start a different QB who might take care of the ball? If Mark plays 16 games like he did on MNF, they should have that pick sewn up.

As for that draft I love Teddy, I enjoy rooting for Johnny Football (but he will be a RS soph doesn't have to declare). also johnny is 6'1" maybe. Neither one of those guys are in the Luck category of prospect. Teddy will probably be that year's best QB.

[Lupz27]

IF the goal is to get the number one pick in the 2014 draft, than the plan should be to start Mark right? Why start a different QB who might take care of the ball? If Mark plays 16 games like he did on MNF, they should have that pick sewn up.

As for that draft I love Teddy, I enjoy rooting for Johnny Football (but he will be a RS soph doesn't have to declare). also johnny is 6'1" maybe. Neither one of those guys are in the Luck category of prospect. Teddy will probably be that year's best QB.

Well the whole point is to clear the roster of all players not in the new regime's plans.

The 6'1" thing is not applicable, R Wilson is 6', RGIII is just 1" taller, and they have the same build.

[bitonti]

Well the whole point is to clear the roster of all players not in the new regime's plans.

The 6'1" thing is not applicable, R Wilson is 6', RGIII is just 1" taller, and they have the same build.

why wouldn't Brick or Revis be in the new regimes plans? this new staff doesn't need Pro Bowlers?

As for Johnny Football i'm just saying what the scouts will say. I would be psyched up if the JEts drafted Johnny Football in 2014. How do you root against Johnny football?

[Lupz27]

why wouldn't Brick or Revis be in the new regimes plans? this new staff doesn't need Pro Bowlers?

As for Johnny Football i'm just saying what the scouts will say. I would be psyched up if the JEts drafted Johnny Football in 2014. How do you root against Johnny football?

I never said to get rid of Brick, or Revis! Only player I said that is considered part of the core by some was Harris, and only if your new regime is switching to a 4-3 look, he doesn't fit well IMO at MLB in a 4-3.

The way I see them going 1-15 is by not being able to fill out the rest of the roster because of all the dead cap money, they would have a LB core with G McNtyre, D Davis, and probably 2 drafted rookies if Harris is cut. A developing WR core of a still Raw S HIll, a slot WR J Kerley, and probably a mid round draft pick. Besides Mangold, and Brick a whole new OL, possibly one of them being a 1st rounder thou which hopefully would turn out good, B Powell at RB, a TE that has yet to be signed of the street very cheap, and either a rookie mid round QB, or G McElroy. Yes the defense would still have a lot of talent on it, but the offense would only have 2 players that are considered good, and both are OLmen, the defense could keep us in games, and possibly win a few, but that team stripped bare of all depth, and no offensive playmakers with the exception of the possibility of a rookie draft pick we don't even know yet becoming one, but that still wouldn't be enough to win more that 2-4 games IMO, and if Rex is gone even with the good D players there will be some bumps along the way learning a new system.

If the Jets did somehow get the 1st pick of the 2014 draft, and Manziel continues to succeed, and impress, and same goes for Clowney that is one hell of a pickle to put in as a organization. Clowney COULD be that LT type of defensive player once every 25 years, or so difference maker, I mean he is a Sophmore 6-6 260, plays in the SEC, and has been unblockable by NFL talented OLmen, and most double teams can't block the kid, and he has all that with world class speed! Very interesting that draft will be if both declare early, I just hope if they do the Jets can some how have the 1st, or 2nd pick, TBH the 2nd pick might be better you can't make a mistake you have the decision made for you lol.