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#1 JetNation

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:05 AM

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It was a fitting ending for the New York Jets.  Their playoff hopes vanished on Monday Night Football in an embarrassing fashion in front of a national football audience no less.  Perhaps Jon Gruden’s post game comments summed up not only this game, but the entire Jets season.  “Five turnovers, squandered opportunities, mismanaged situations, amazing night of futility”.  The post game crew and every major sports channel spent most of their evening mocking the play, players and management of this football team.  The Jets might be the laughing stock of the NFL with Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum as the punch line.  From sticking with Sanchez to acquiring Tim Tebow, even with the deactivation of Greg McElroy, it is pretty clear this Coach-GM duo are woefully ill equipped to manage an NFL franchise.  A few weeks ago, when for Jets fans the Sanchez nightmare finally appeared to be over, Ryan decided to go back to Sanchez because he felt that was the Jets’ best chance to win.  Last night was the direct result of that decision.  I am not sure you need any more reason than that to make a break, but there are so many more reasons,  The time management, the sideline confusion, the penalties, the team’s effort, I could go on, but I think the point is made.  I can’t imagine a scenario that would allow Woody Johnson to begin 2013 with two gentlemen that have made sports professionals laugh, and made the Jets loyal followers so frustrated.

Is there another coach in the NFL that would have such a lack of understanding of the goings on of a football game that a sideline arm pump celebration would be deemed an appropriate reaction to an apponents botched punt?  Not since the Pete Carroll choke sign have I been made to feel uncomfortable by someone associated with the Jets.  But it helps to clarify why after Kyle Wilson has been burnt only to be saved by a poorly thrown ball, he too celebrates as if he accomplished something.  This idea that a team takes on the personality of the coach is confirmed as something more than an idea with the Jets.  Very few Jets seem to say the right things, take any ownership, or demand greatness from themselves or their teammates.  Ryan labeled himself a competitor, but walking off the field with a scowl while uttering obscenities under your breath for the world to see, is not the act of a competitor. It is more the way an immature child behaves when they are told to get off Xbox and do their homework.  Competitors are gracious, they are humble, they pay great attention to detail, they make others great, they stay focused, they contain their frustration and they behave with professionalism.  There was a reason the camera immediately took a tight shot on Ryan as he walked to the post game handshake, because everyone has come to expect ridiculousness, and once again Ryan didn’t disappoint.

It is a sad state of affairs when half, if not more, of JetNation are rooting for the team to lose and end their playoff push.  The sooner we can finally admit this is not working, the sooner we can get to talking about the future.   As often as this team has shocked me, I am going to speculate that the off season will bring many changes.  A new general manager, a new head coach, and a new quarterback could be on the horizon.  The usual agony of waiting from February to September for football always goes a little faster when the off season brings the anticipation of change.  I am not suggesting it’s a substitute for winning, but the fresh start a new coach brings always breaths a little life into a depressed fan base. It is a little early to start a wish list, and it always looms in the back of every fan that at some point we could sit with the Daily News or our laptop, jaw dropped in disbelief, and see that those responsible for one of the most painful years in recent history could be retained.

But that’s not possible……right?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:31 AM

Ryan decided to go back to Sanchez because he felt that was the Jets’ best chance to win. Last night was the direct result of that decision. I am not sure you need any more reason than that to make a break, but there are so many more reasons, The time management, the sideline confusion, the penalties, the team’s effort, I could go on, but I think the point is made.


while i agree the decision to back to Sanchez was fire-able, i take exception to the "time management, confusion, penalties, effort" part. The Jets aren't very penalized. Rex actually does a good job with clock management and challenges. The defense always brings a high effort (blocking a FG is the ultimate high effort play). So yeah while i agree Rex didn't handle the Qb situation correctly, and that's fire-able, i think he does a good job in other phases. Look at how many penalties the Titans committed the other night, that's a team with penalty problems. Or Herman Edwards era Jets were a time management disaster. Rex doesn't have those problems under his watch.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:40 AM

Rex actually does a good job with clock management


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:53 AM

fans dont agree with the calls but yes sometimes taking a knee with 3 time outs on your own 10 before halftime is the right call. the point of clock management is to get more time to run plays, the offense is so dysfunctional, more plays = more mistakes. Rex has been all about burning the clock off, and I don't blame him.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:58 AM

bashing Rex for swearing as he walked off the field is absolutely ridiculous. Every NFL coach sans Tony Dungy has been caught on camera spewing f bombs and alike.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:44 PM

The media as got what they wanted it's a Dram for them, we are aweful but aweful enough to maybe even be 8-8 not 0-16, imagine how much diffrent it would be with just an average NFL Q.B.
Give him another chance, it's Fecking Tanny who needs to be Shot, burn't, then thrown under the bus!
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:24 PM


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

Rex has been a good DC, but other than that, he's been average, even below average. They never improved. The talent got worse. THe QB situation became a joke. The offense stinks. The Defense is good against bad teams, but has stunk against good teams.

The Jets became a laughing stock because Rex was arrogant, like to make predictions, and his team followed suit. Except they really never were more than an 8-8 team under Ryan. And now it's a rebuild. I like Rex, but he's a DC, nothing more.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:04 PM


I posted this in another thread -- my 2 cents on the only way things can work if Rex sticks around. Otherwise, expect more of the same nonsense:


I agree that having an average QB would have produced different results. But the bottom line is Rex is a weak HC. Weakness hires weakness -- that is why Tony Sparano is (was) our OC. If Rex is to stay around it must be under a strong, authoritative GM that comes with a football pedigree. Also, the new OC should not be subordinate to Rex. Call it whatever you like -- Assistant Head Coach, Co-Head Coach -- we need a skilled leader on the other side of the ball who is his own man. Otherwise, just take a Ginsu the whole organization and start over.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

Rex has been a good DC, but other than that, he's been average, even below average. They never improved. The talent got worse. THe QB situation became a joke. The offense stinks. The Defense is good against bad teams, but has stunk against good teams.

The Jets became a laughing stock because Rex was arrogant, like to make predictions, and his team followed suit. Except they really never were more than an 8-8 team under Ryan. And now it's a rebuild. I like Rex, but he's a DC, nothing more.


Guess you missed his 1st 2 years.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

while i agree the decision to back to Sanchez was fire-able, i take exception to the "time management, confusion, penalties, effort" part. The Jets aren't very penalized. Rex actually does a good job with clock management and challenges. The defense always brings a high effort (blocking a FG is the ultimate high effort play). So yeah while i agree Rex didn't handle the Qb situation correctly, and that's fire-able, i think he does a good job in other phases. Look at how many penalties the Titans committed the other night, that's a team with penalty problems. Or Herman Edwards era Jets were a time management disaster. Rex doesn't have those problems under his watch.

Seriously. The delay of games. the too many men on the field penalties, guys running on and off at the last minute. Do you notice how often Sanchez gets in the huddle with 15 seconds left on the play clock. he does that so there are not 12 men in the huddle becasue there is frequently substitution confusion. he is a train wreck. Great coordinator, needs work as the head guy.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:53 PM

bashing Rex for swearing as he walked off the field is absolutely ridiculous. Every NFL coach sans Tony Dungy has been caught on camera spewing f bombs and alike.

Not when they should be looking in mirror to find the problems. And I watch all day on Sunday and would not say that happens all the time. The point is fix the damn thing or shut up. I am not some boy scout who finds it offensive. What I find offensive is being the problem and acting that way.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:09 PM

I thought this thread was going to be about removing Sanchez from the banner. Bring in Laron!
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:25 PM

This organization has developed a dysfunctional image, and they seem to compound it with every comment they make. If they had a championship roster, they still couldn't succeed under this kind of management. I think the worst thing about the Tebow situation was trading for a player that didn't fit. The second worst thing was making him #2 and skipping to #3 when replacing #1.

If the owner is to blame, there isn't much hope. If the owner's employees are making all the bonehead moves, he needs to find better people. And not only better from a football perspective. The fans need an organization they can believe in.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:50 PM

I thought this thread was going to be about removing Sanchez from the banner. Bring in Laron!


the sad thing about this statement is that next year Laron is unsigned and Mark is due 8.25 mil.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:50 PM

Seriously. The delay of games. the too many men on the field penalties, guys running on and off at the last minute. Do you notice how often Sanchez gets in the huddle with 15 seconds left on the play clock. he does that so there are not 12 men in the huddle becasue there is frequently substitution confusion. he is a train wreck. Great coordinator, needs work as the head guy.


the decision to hire Sparano is also fire-able. I still like rex.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:15 PM

bashing Rex for swearing as he walked off the field is absolutely ridiculous. Every NFL coach sans Tony Dungy has been caught on camera spewing f bombs and alike.




Rex's act at the end of that game was embarrassing. He was playing to the cameras, trying to portray a man somehow surprised that his offense played poorly despite the awesome coaching they get. Disingenuous and sad.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:12 AM

Guess you missed his 1st 2 years.


The Jets were an 8-8 team the first year, got lucky cause the Colts forfeited an entire second half of a game, and then they had a great playoff run. It wasn't like he did a bang up job that season. They just had a good playoff run, caught some breaks, and then lost to the Colts in the AFC Championship.

The second season was his best, but they were too overhyped. THe defense wasn't as good and they got blown out on primetime to the Patriots. It was one of those, "same old Jets" moments. THen they beat the Colts, played a hell of a game and beat down the Patriots, and then didn't bother to show up for most of that Steelers game.

So really, Ryan has had three out of four seasons where the Jets were an 8-8 team. And that's assuming they win the last two games this year. And the team has just gotten worse and worse, talent wise.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:10 PM

I thought this thread was going to be about removing Sanchez from the banner. Bring in Laron!


Hoping to get that done soon.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

Hoping to get that done soon.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

bashing Rex for swearing as he walked off the field is absolutely ridiculous. Every NFL coach sans Tony Dungy has been caught on camera spewing f bombs and alike.


I believe it was the first or second away game this year - I can't remember exactly but the station the game was playing on DID NOT bleep out or delay broadcasting when the entire crowd chanted "bullsh*t." It was about Tebow.... Clearly, who gives a sh*t about cursing. I'm sure if he cursed for happiness after a win there would not be an issue.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

the sad thing about this statement is that next year Laron is unsigned and Mark is due 8.25 mil.


I doubt Landry will be back - after his awesome year someone will pay him more for sure.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:56 PM

the decision to hire Sparano is also fire-able. I still like rex.

I want to like Rex. I would love a fouled mouth guy like him to have all the success in the world. I think he just get too emotionally involved with his players. I can't recall one time where he has truly called a guy out for some lousy play and there has been planety over the past two years. I think he can take a great team far, because guys will go play for him. But I am not sure he is right for a mediocre team. I will root for the guy wherever he goes but where the Jets are right now, they need a change. Had they waited a but longer, I think they would have jumped on Haley pver Sparano. Wonder if that changes anything???
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