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[Lupz27]

I wish that could work. But don't see how any CB gets you nearly that much. It will be a #1 and that's it.

Damn blew me up at step 1, oh well, like I said if I am going to trade Revis I am really looking to fleece someone, and over the years the NFL has proven their is always 1 team out there desperate enough, and stupid enough, or just plain going for it. Yes the Oakland Raiders are ususally this team, and the CB position is becoming a top priority in the new passing NFL, and some teams might be looking at them with much higher value then they used to, the last few drafts have shown that, and the crazy ass Nnamdi Asomough sweepstakes also showed how many teams are looking for that true #1 shut down CB.

[SenorGato]

Why not just say "get as little as possible for Revis because rebuild?"

[Lupz27]

Cro is locked up for 2 years. Revis for one. Plus Cro would be cheaper to keep total for 3-4 years where Revis is a well known headache with money and holdouts and such. Plus Revis is coming off a serious knee injury.


I had some position by position breakdowns but my post was long enough going back & cutting it off where I did.

I agree about the usual rebuild time for a team. But as it now stands we need to sign or re-sign some 12 starters plus a backup QB plus a kicker plus a punter. So i don't see this as a typical NFL rebuild.

Landry I'm wary of. I think we got lucky and should take the money and run on him. Different reason, but like Holmes he's a great acquisition for 1 year and a bad one to lock up for superdollars with $20M+ guaranteed. As a consolation prize we get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick in 2014 for losing a UFA. (Same thing with any other FAs like Moore or DeVito). But I would bring back Bell for a low cost, low year deal like his present one -- if he'll have us.

If 2013 is a throw away season for you as the new GM, and you are willing to trade Cro, and Revis, and say you can get at least 2 1st round picks back in the deals, I think taking the picks for the 2014 draft would be a smarter decision, there is 2 possible stud QB's coming out in that draft, and if they do both come out they are by far better prospects than anything in the 2013 draft, not to mention the beast that is J Clowney who just might get picked before both of the QB's (Manziel, and Bridgewater) he is that good. This gives you 3 1st round picks to barter with to try, and move up to get one of the 2 possible franchise QB's if your team goes, and ****s you, and over achieves, and wins to many games to get a top 2 pick on your own. If you do get the 1st pick on your own, then you trade your other 2 1st round picks for the 4th overall pick, and grab Marquise Lee to pair with Bridgewater, or Manziel, if by some miracle you land 2 of the top 4 picks, and you don't have to trade any, praise holly ****ing luya, you are officially the smartest GM ever from draft night till Week 1, but of course you GM the Jets, and every move no matter what it is will eventually blow up in your face some how, because the Jets are cursed, and now your on the street known as the GM who ****ed up with 2 top 4 picks in one draft, alla who ever was the GM of the Colts when they had the 2nd, and 3rd overall picks, and botched both while getting totally owned by Mel Kiper in the process lol.

[Sperm Edwards]

If 2013 is a throw away season for you as the new GM, and you are willing to trade Cro, and Revis, and say you can get at least 2 1st round picks back in the deals, I think taking the picks for the 2014 draft would be a smarter decision, there is 2 possible stud QB's coming out in that draft, and if they do both come out they are by far better prospects than anything in the 2013 draft, not to mention the beast that is J Clowney who just might get picked before both of the QB's (Manziel, and Bridgewater) he is that good. This gives you 3 1st round picks to barter with to try, and move up to get one of the 2 possible franchise QB's if your team goes, and ****s you, and over achieves, and wins to many games to get a top 2 pick on your own. If you do get the 1st pick on your own, then you trade your other 2 1st round picks for the 4th overall pick, and grab Marquise Lee to pair with Bridgewater, or Manziel, if by some miracle you land 2 of the top 4 picks, and you don't have to trade any, praise holly ****ing luya, you are officially the smartest GM ever from draft night till Week 1,

Keep in mind there are QBs who were supposed to be sure thing high picks and had crappy senior seasons that changed those prospects' outlooks. They're absolutely wet over him in Washington. It forces us to find 2 new QBs for 2013 who both realize they're not in our long-term plans and then draft another in 2014 and hope he matures right away or by 2015. Personally I'd rather get on with the rebuild this year instead of hoping for a chance at a top-5 pick QB that we may not be able to draft. I don't know how Cousins compares to them but so far he seems to have a lower bust factor than a QB who's currently a junior, before his senior season has begun. And we get on with it already and don't have to pray a premiere draft day prospect is within reach. If one of those prospects is just that good, and we have to trade up to be able to get him, then we run the risk of not being able to trade up (as the team we'd be trading with may want him just as badly). Think Andrew Luck: no matter how much someone offered, Indy wasn't going to trade out of the #1 spot. And that was with RGIII's stock shooting up.

Trade one of our CBs for Cousins, take back a mid-rounder in the process, and we still have two #1 picks in '13 if we can't strike a better long-term deal with the other CB. We could use a pass-rushing specialist and there are (allegedly) some really good ones this year. The other pick we can use or trade for more for next year (which would be a #1 and a #2 I guess, and we'd really only do that if we're trading our middle to lower #1 with a team we figure to have a top-10 pick at worst in '14 like New England did with San Fran a few years back).

But more than that, I would prefer trading them both for 1's and a little more and only having to move a #2 for Cousins. I think Washington would take it unless someone else offers more.

but of course you GM the Jets, and every move no matter what it is will eventually blow up in your face some how, because the Jets are cursed, and now your on the street known as the GM who ****ed up with 2 top 4 picks in one draft, alla who ever was the GM of the Colts when they had the 2nd, and 3rd overall picks, and botched both while getting totally owned by Mel Kiper in the process lol.

I know. I'm f*cked no matter what I do.

All kidding aside, though, the only way to do this is to start over instead of trying to get a little bit better than horrible each year. That strategy will have us as serious contenders hopefully by 2018 as we double-down on high-priced players that won't make us contenders now, and bypass on the players and high picks that could (or would).

[afosomf]

Keep in mind there are QBs who were supposed to be sure thing high picks and had crappy senior seasons that changed those prospects' outlooks. They're absolutely wet over him in Washington. It forces us to find 2 new QBs for 2013 who both realize they're not in our long-term plans and then draft another in 2014 and hope he matures right away or by 2015. Personally I'd rather get on with the rebuild this year instead of hoping for a chance at a top-5 pick QB that we may not be able to draft. I don't know how Cousins compares to them but so far he seems to have a lower bust factor than a QB who's currently a junior, before his senior season has begun. And we get on with it already and don't have to pray a premiere draft day prospect is within reach. If one of those prospects is just that good, and we have to trade up to be able to get him, then we run the risk of not being able to trade up (as the team we'd be trading with may want him just as badly). Think Andrew Luck: no matter how much someone offered, Indy wasn't going to trade out of the #1 spot. And that was with RGIII's stock shooting up.

Trade one of our CBs for Cousins, take back a mid-rounder in the process, and we still have two #1 picks in '13 if we can't strike a better long-term deal with the other CB. We could use a pass-rushing specialist and there are (allegedly) some really good ones this year. The other pick we can use or trade for more for next year (which would be a #1 and a #2 I guess, and we'd really only do that if we're trading our middle to lower #1 with a team we figure to have a top-10 pick at worst in '14 like New England did with San Fran a few years back).

But more than that, I would prefer trading them both for 1's and a little more and only having to move a #2 for Cousins. I think Washington would take it unless someone else offers more.



I know. I'm f*cked no matter what I do.

All kidding aside, though, the only way to do this is to start over instead of trying to get a little bit better than horrible each year. That strategy will have us as serious contenders hopefully by 2018 as we double-down on high-priced players that won't make us contenders now, and bypass on the players and high picks that could (or would).

Given there is a QB shortage, teams will have to overpay for Cousins, going to cost at least a #1 pick and Skins alsohave an incentive not to trade, Kirk is a great insurance policy given the style rg3 plays mon

[CrazyCarl40]

Trading for Kirk Cousins? This has what it has come to? Really? That's borderline pathetic. I see nothing special or game elevating about him at all.

[afosomf]

ya Jimmy claussen is still available mon

[Lupz27]

Keep in mind there are QBs who were supposed to be sure thing high picks and had crappy senior seasons that changed those prospects' outlooks. They're absolutely wet over him in Washington. It forces us to find 2 new QBs for 2013 who both realize they're not in our long-term plans and then draft another in 2014 and hope he matures right away or by 2015. Personally I'd rather get on with the rebuild this year instead of hoping for a chance at a top-5 pick QB that we may not be able to draft. I don't know how Cousins compares to them but so far he seems to have a lower bust factor than a QB who's currently a junior, before his senior season has begun. And we get on with it already and don't have to pray a premiere draft day prospect is within reach. If one of those prospects is just that good, and we have to trade up to be able to get him, then we run the risk of not being able to trade up (as the team we'd be trading with may want him just as badly). Think Andrew Luck: no matter how much someone offered, Indy wasn't going to trade out of the #1 spot. And that was with RGIII's stock shooting up.

Trade one of our CBs for Cousins, take back a mid-rounder in the process, and we still have two #1 picks in '13 if we can't strike a better long-term deal with the other CB. We could use a pass-rushing specialist and there are (allegedly) some really good ones this year. The other pick we can use or trade for more for next year (which would be a #1 and a #2 I guess, and we'd really only do that if we're trading our middle to lower #1 with a team we figure to have a top-10 pick at worst in '14 like New England did with San Fran a few years back).

But more than that, I would prefer trading them both for 1's and a little more and only having to move a #2 for Cousins. I think Washington would take it unless someone else offers more.



I know. I'm f*cked no matter what I do.

All kidding aside, though, the only way to do this is to start over instead of trying to get a little bit better than horrible each year. That strategy will have us as serious contenders hopefully by 2018 as we double-down on high-priced players that won't make us contenders now, and bypass on the players and high picks that could (or would).

All kidding aside, the 2013 draft is HORRIFIC at the QB position, guys are touting Mike Glennon as the best, or 2nd best prospect, this kid is Jeff George, but with less physical talent, and at best is 3 years away from being NFL ready. Geno Smith is Mark Sanchez with better accuracy, a one read QB, take it away from him he panics, Barkley is well from USC nothing to see here. The draft is also loaded with defensive talent, the 1st round will be probably see 2-4 QB's, 4 WR's, 1 TE, and 6 OL get drafted, with anywhere from 17-20 of the 1st round picks be defensive players, yes the Jets could use a OLB, or 3, but we need a QB, and skill position players on offense, you grab some prospects for the skill position players in the middle of 2013 draft, and maybe go for a big one in the 2nd round, there will be a lot WR's available with decent upside in the 2nd. Go all in for a QB in the 2014 draft, as of now that draft class is projected to be MUCH better, yes I know a lot of things can change in another year of college ball look at Barkley, BUT you 100% know what you have in the 2013 class, and it is not pretty. I am going to predict 1 QB becomes a good NFL QB from this class, with maybe 1, or 2 servicable starters, the rest will either be career backups, or completly bust out of the league. My money is on Nassib to be the above average QB, with Bray, and a surprise name I don't even know of.

I probably have no clue what I am talking about, but that is MY thought on this matter, which means jack sh*t in the reality of the situation.

[Sperm Edwards]

All kidding aside, the 2013 draft is HORRIFIC at the QB position, guys are touting Mike Glennon as the best, or 2nd best prospect, this kid is Jeff George, but with less physical talent, and at best is 3 years away from being NFL ready. Geno Smith is Mark Sanchez with better accuracy, a one read QB, take it away from him he panics, Barkley is well from USC nothing to see here. The draft is also loaded with defensive talent, the 1st round will be probably see 2-4 QB's, 4 WR's, 1 TE, and 6 OL get drafted, with anywhere from 17-20 of the 1st round picks be defensive players, yes the Jets could use a OLB, or 3, but we need a QB, and skill position players on offense, you grab some prospects for the skill position players in the middle of 2013 draft, and maybe go for a big one in the 2nd round, there will be a lot WR's available with decent upside in the 2nd. Go all in for a QB in the 2014 draft, as of now that draft class is projected to be MUCH better, yes I know a lot of things can change in another year of college ball look at Barkley, BUT you 100% know what you have in the 2013 class, and it is not pretty. I am going to predict 1 QB becomes a good NFL QB from this class, with maybe 1, or 2 servicable starters, the rest will either be career backups, or completly bust out of the league. My money is on Nassib to be the above average QB, with Bray, and a surprise name I don't even know of.

I probably have no clue what I am talking about, but that is MY thought on this matter, which means jack sh*t in the reality of the situation.

With regards to waiting for a better QB class, remember that in 2009 we thought 2010 was supposed to be a good or great QB class (or so we were told). I think Jimmy Clausen was projected as a top 10 pick right after his junior year ended. So think about that for a bit.

I'm not that up on these QB prospects coming out this year and don't pretend to be. But I'd heard a lot of what you're saying here (rightly or wrongly) which is why I was touting trading (ideally a 2nd) for Cousins instead of burning a 1st round pick to use on a QB prospect this year (if the one we like best even fell to our slot without trading up again). I don't really know - none of us do - but so far he seems he should be at worst like a Joe Flacco (in terms of production not style). I don't really know what his full upside is.