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" Coach Killers, Week 16 : Maybe Sanchez wasn't the only problem " ~ ~ ~


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#1 kelly

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:45 PM

Coach Killers, Week 16 : Maybe Sanchez wasn't the only problem

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Even when Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow are on the sidelines fighting over the clipboard, the Jets still manage to ratchet up the futility to preposterous levels. This time, though, it had little to do with the quarterback.Greg McElroy, the former seventh-round pick and third-stringer the last two seasons, was able to do what the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart struggled with for months: look like a proper NFL passer. McElroy finished Sunday's game 14 of 24 for 185 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. Nothing particularly noteworthy but that in itself is, well, noteworthy. There were no butt fumbles or balls fired 40 feet over the head of intended targets. Just your garden-variety, average quarterbackin' afternoon.

What hadn't changed: the horrendous pass protection. McElroy was sacked 11 times -- in 35 drop backs -- which tied a team record. Rex Ryan, who has some experience with what it means to describe what awful football looks like, called it "ridiculous."As ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini noted earlier this week, the Chargers defense didn't do anything particularly exotic. Six sacks came on four-man rushes, four sacks came on five-man rushes and one sack came on a six-man rush. Cimini (subjectively -- his word) assigned the blame thusly: RT Austin Howard, 2.0 sacks; LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson 2.0; RG Brandon Moore, 1.5; LG Vladimir Ducasse, 1.0; miscellaneous, 4.5.

Part of "miscellaneous" includes McElroy, who wasn't totally without blame. No, there wasn't anything as egregious as a typical Sanchez outing, but Cimini pointed out that the first-time starter was guilty of holding the ball too long; six sacks came after McElroy had been in the pocket at least four seconds. Cimini added: "At times, he didn't sense the pressure; other times, he sensed it but slid the wrong way in the pocket," which is a weekly occurrence for this offense no matter who's starting.Mercifully, there's one week left in the season. There's a lot to sort through in the coming months, chief among them will be finding a quarterback. Sanchez and his $8.25 million guaranteed salary will likely be back but will he be the starter or the league's most well compensated backup? It's the type of dilemma you'd expect to find in "The Book of Questions."

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:47 PM

Don't tell that to 95% of the board here. they will tell you it is all about the QB. :)

Seriously though, a number of those sacks were on McElroy just taking too much time looking for WR's that just cannot get open.

The OL though was pretty wretched most of the day and barely put in an effort last week. If they do that again this week Buffalo might get 15 sacks.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:04 PM

Don't tell that to 95% of the board here. they will tell you it is all about the QB. :)

Seriously though, a number of those sacks were on McElroy just taking too much time looking for WR's that just cannot get open.

The OL though was pretty wretched most of the day and barely put in an effort last week. If they do that again this week Buffalo might get 15 sacks.


What? I thought the O-Line was supposed to play way better because they hate Sanchez who doesn't want to play football anyway and now they had someone to get behind and do great for?

No?
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:10 PM

Miscellaneous might mean McElroy held the ball too long, or it might mean "coverage sack". When a guy who's been on the team a week and has been cut outright by his last two teams is your go-to guy, you might have an inferior receiving corps. It's possible.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

Don't tell that to 95% of the board here. they will tell you it is all about the QB. :)

Seriously though, a number of those sacks were on McElroy just taking too much time looking for WR's that just cannot get open.

The OL though was pretty wretched most of the day and barely put in an effort last week. If they do that again this week Buffalo might get 15 sacks.


Or because he doesnt know what he's seeing, hasnt caught up to the speed of the NFL and just outright doesnt have the arm to make NFL throws.

Take your pick.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

using cimini's stats, if 6 sacks happened after the 4 second mark, those aren't on the OL.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:17 PM

using cimini's stats, if 6 sacks happened after the 4 second mark, those aren't on the OL.


and how many plays were extended beyond 4 seconds while he ran for his life in seconds 1 thru 3 ?
I know you defend this line like its your job, but this years version of the OL has been bad. Bad at run blocking, bad at pass pro, bad at picking up the blitz. Just bad.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

Don't tell that to 95% of the board here. they will tell you it is all about the QB. :)

Seriously though, a number of those sacks were on McElroy just taking too much time looking for WR's that just cannot get open.

The OL though was pretty wretched most of the day and barely put in an effort last week. If they do that again this week Buffalo might get 15 sacks.


This.

According to Football Focus McElroy had more time to throw than any other QB in week 16. See quote below.

For full story see here. https://www.profootb...s-jets-week-16/

If there was any question why Mark Sanchez wasn’t relieved of his starting role earlier, Greg McElroy (-3.8) provided the answer. McElroy’s start wasn’t atypical of young quarterback, but it provided little or no reason to think he’s the future starter. He appeared very tentative all throughout the game and was fairly inaccurate considering how few risks he took downfield. The former Alabama quarterback attempted only 10 passes over 10 yards, and no passes over 20 yards. On those passes longer than 10 yards he was only 3 of 10, with an interception. The biggest thing that stood out for McElroy was how long he held the ball. He had the longest time to throw of any quarterback in Week 16, with an average of 3.26 seconds (by comparison, Sanchez averages 2.66). Holding the ball also led to all those sacks. Of the 11 sacks he took, we credited only six to the offensive line. It’s still too early to make summary judgment on McElroy though, and improvement in week 17 should be expected.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

and how many plays were extended beyond 4 seconds while he ran for his life in seconds 1 thru 3 ?
I know you defend this line like its your job, but this years version of the OL has been bad. Bad at run blocking, bad at pass pro, bad at picking up the blitz. Just bad.


bad in run blocking? Really? i know the team sucks but cmon. watch the Colts game if you think they are bad at run blocking. Or the 2 drives vs AZ. The OL took over several games this year. and put a decent QB behind that line no one would complain about the pressure.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:32 PM

i know the team sucks but cmon. watch the Colts game if you think they are bad at run blocking.


lol wut?

You mean this Colts defense? The one that is the worst in the NFL at stopping the run, even worse than the godawful Saints?

http://footballoutsi...m/stats/teamdef

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:53 PM

" ...Maybe Sanchez wasn't the only problem " ~ ~ ~ "


it's been a team effort... well ,....actually ; a LACK of TEAM EFFORT :frown:
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:58 PM

" ...Maybe Sanchez wasn't the only problem " ~ ~ ~ "

it's been a team effort... well ,....actually ; a LACK of TEAM EFFORT :frown:



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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:14 PM

" ...Maybe Sanchez wasn't the only problem " ~ ~ ~ "


it's been a team effort... well ,....actually ; a LACK of TEAM EFFORT :frown:


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:24 PM

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:40 AM

Source : Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum likely to lose job Monday
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Sunday will be the last day of the Jets' 2012 season. It also will likely be the last day that Mike Tannenbaum will be the team's general manager.As first reported on Sunday, according to a league source, Tannenbaum will be relieved of his duties as team owner Woody Johnson searches for a replacement.One potential scenario is that Tannenbaum will be reassigned to another role within the organization.

Tannenbaum, who joined the Jets in 1997 as director of player contract negotiations, was elevated to general manager in 2006, replacing Terry Bradway who has remained with the team as a senior personnel executive.The Jets are 6-9 going into the final game of the season. They have reached the playoffs in only three of Tannenbaum's seasons as general manager: 2006 wildcard game, 2009 AFC Championship and the 2010 AFC Championship.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:18 AM

Montgomery : Jets have many woes beyond Rex's control

It's been such a dreadful season for the Jets that even superfan Fireman Ed gave up on the team in late November.Yet Friday, head coach Rex Ryan pledged his desire to stick around the Meadowlands for the long term in a raucous, old-school press conference in which Ryan said he hoped to coach the team for the "next 15 years."This came after reports from team sources that Ryan would prefer being fired than be a lame-duck head coach in 2013 should Jets owner Woody Johnson do nothing to significantly improve the team's offense in the offseason.Ryan denied those claims, but one could understand what reportedly were Ryan's behind-the-scenes feelings about the future. If the Jets bring back essentially the same team next year and the Jets again miss the playoffs, Ryan becomes the fall guy.It would make sense for Ryan to want to get out now on his own terms, but he does have a long list of explanations as to why things went wrong in 2012.

All-Pro cornerback Darrelle Revis was lost to a season-ending torn ACL in a late Sept. game against the Dolphins.Adding injury to insult, star wide receiver Santonio Holmes suffered a Lisfranc injury during a 34-0 loss to the 49ers the very next week.What had once been a stout offensive line anchored by center Nick Mangold was anything but, as the Jets have allowed 46 sacks through 15 games. The Jets' offense ranks 30th in the NFL with 297.0 yards per game. Only Jacksonville and Arizona have been worse to this point.The Jets traded for quarterback Tim Tebow in the offseason and together with new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano, they were going to revitalize the Jets' offense with a Wildcat package. That never panned out. Tebow has completed 6-of-8 passes for 39 yards and rushed 32 times for 102 yards, hardly the spark the Jets had imagined.With all of the injuries and a lack of playmakers on offense to begin with, how many of the Jets' problems this year were really Ryan's fault? Ryan doesn't deserve much of the blame for the Jets' failures this season and he does deserve another shot in 2013 if Johnson, the owner, is committed to solving the quarterback situation. Johnson could pledge to stick by Mark Sanchez and give him a new offensive coordinator and better weapons or he could opt to go in another direction entirely.

Johnson could potentially also make a play for one of the hot head coaching prospects, including Chip Kelly of the high-scoring University of Oregon, who would certainly give the Jets a new look on offense.Either way, the Jets need to come up with a new plan. It's clear that the Tebow & Sparano, ground-and-pound era is over.That doesn't necessarily have to mean that the Ryan era is over as well.While it's understandable to see why Ryan would want out at this point, there are a few reasons why he'd stick around for at least one more shot in 2013.

First, there's no doubt that nothing would make Ryan — and Jets fans — happier than someday bringing the Jets to the White House with the Lombardi Trophy, as he promised at his first press conference in 2009.

Second, Ryan grew up with the Jets. His father, Buddy Ryan, was a defensive line coach for Gang Green from 1968 through 1975. The Jets are, as Ryan expressed Friday, the team of his childhood.

Will the Jets be the team of Ryan's adulthood, say, for the next 15 years ?

Unless the Jets make a serious commitment to revitalizing the franchise, be it through a shrewd draft, key free agent signings and trades and smart changes on the supporting coaching staff, Ryan should probably be thinking about the next 15 months or so before he starts looking too deeply into the future.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

Sanchez has never been the only problem. Sanchez is just a big problem, and with his contract, he might actually be the biggest problem.
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